Drugs in other sports and the media.
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Rogge is Belgian0
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dish_dash wrote:Pinno wrote:It's odd how so many of the world governing bodies are French (or at least based in France with a distinctly French history) - The UCI, FIA, FIFA, UEFA, IOC etc etc. Collectively, they could have the power to change a lot.
Aren't they all/mostly based in French speaking Switzerland...
FIFA are in Zurich, German speaking, but I believe good old Sepp comes from the other side of the Röstigraben though. The IOC are based on Lake Geneva set in a very nice park near Lausanne, which has particularly good fountain for small children to play in. The Tour du Léman cycling event pretty much starts and finishes on their door step.0 -
dish_dash wrote:Pinno wrote:It's odd how so many of the world governing bodies are French (or at least based in France with a distinctly French history) - The UCI, FIA, FIFA, UEFA, IOC etc etc. Collectively, they could have the power to change a lot.
Aren't they all/mostly based in French speaking Switzerland...
Details, details...0 -
Pinno wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Pinno, FINA are a joke and their leadership appalling
...Same goes in relation to Efimova.
The problem as I see it, is that Russia should never have been allowed to go to Rio. This is where I think that politics has played a far too bigger part in letting them compete.
It sets a poor bar for the future.
Then don't be surprised that athletes are stepping up out of frustration at being repeatedly betrayed by those in charge of running their sports and the Games0 -
So it's the Swiss who can't run a game of darts in a brewery? I take it all back.
...and the Swiss are so squeaky clean and impartial to the extent that they administered bank accounts in the names of err... lets see.. Ferdinand Marcos... Robert Mugabe...seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Sweet Jesus and the baby orphans, I've heard it all now0
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Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Pinno wrote:Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Pinno, FINA are a joke and their leadership appalling
...Same goes in relation to Efimova.
The problem as I see it, is that Russia should never have been allowed to go to Rio. This is where I think that politics has played a far too bigger part in letting them compete.
It sets a poor bar for the future.
Then don't be surprised that athletes are stepping up out of frustration at being repeatedly betrayed by those in charge of running their sports and the Games
I am not. If it all goes into complete disarray, where do we all go from here?
The whole 'spirit of the Olympic games' has been compromised.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I'll hold my hands up for getting the facts wrong. However, I ask this: To what extent was the decision to allow Russia to compete in Rio influenced by external political pressure due to the West's poor relationship with Putin?
If the IOC have reduced credibility and WADA have less control over nations who do not comply because their power is diminished by political under-currents, what does the future hold for athletics?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
My guess is that it was more influenced by the fact that the IOC council members want to go to the World cup in luxury.0
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Pinno wrote:I'll hold my hands up for getting the facts wrong. However, I ask this: To what extent was the decision to allow Russia to compete in Rio influenced by external political pressure due to the West's poor relationship with Putin?
If the IOC have reduced credibility and WADA have less control over nations who do not comply because their power is diminished by political under-currents, what does the future hold for athletics?
What future indeed?
So how do you think evidence-based findings of state-organised doping programmes should be treated, Pinno? Because the failure to do fook all about it has given the signal loud and clear that state-enabled doping is just fine and dandy, thank you kindly0 -
Richmond Racer 2 wrote:Pinno wrote:I'll hold my hands up for getting the facts wrong. However, I ask this: To what extent was the decision to allow Russia to compete in Rio influenced by external political pressure due to the West's poor relationship with Putin?
If the IOC have reduced credibility and WADA have less control over nations who do not comply because their power is diminished by political under-currents, what does the future hold for athletics?
What future indeed?
So how do you think evidence-based findings of state-organised doping programmes should be treated, Pinno?
I presume that question is rhetorical.
Is the root cause money and sponsorship? Interesting Wiki page on the IOC. It underlines the link between them and sponsorship/marketing revenue:
"Olympic marketing
In the early 1980s, the Olympics were highly dependent on revenues from a single source – its contracts with US television companies for the broadcasts of the Olympic Games. Upon his election as President of the IOC in 1980, Juan Antonio Samaranch recognised this vulnerability and in consultation with Horst Dassler, a leading member of the Adidas family, the decision to launch a global marketing programme for the IOC was made. Samaranch appointed Canadian IOC member Richard Pound to lead the initiative as Chairman of the "New Sources of Finance Commission".
In 1982 the IOC drafted ISL Marketing a Swiss sports marketing company, to develop a global marketing programme for the Olympic Movement. ISL successfully developed the programme but was replaced by Meridian Management, a company partly owned by the IOC in the early 1990s.
In 1989, one of the staff members at ISL Marketing, Michael Payne, moved to the IOC and became the organisation's first marketing director. However ISL and subsequently Meridian, continued in the established role as the IOC's sales and marketing agents until 2002.[9][10] In 2002 the IOC terminated the relationship with Meridian and took its marketing programme in-house under the Direction of Timo Lumme, the IOC's managing director of IOC Television and Marketing Services.[9] During his 17 years with the IOC,[9] in collaboration with ISL Marketing and subsequently Meridian Management, Payne made major contributions to the creation of a multibillion-dollar sponsorship marketing programme for the organisation which, along with improvements in TV marketing and improved financial management, helped to restore the IOC's financial viability.[11][12][13]
Revenue
The Olympic Movement generates revenue through five major programmes. The International Olympic Committee (IOC) manages broadcast partnerships and The Olympic Partner (TOP) worldwide sponsorship programme. The Organising Committees for the Olympic Games (OCOGs) manage domestic sponsorship, ticketing and licensing programmes within the host country under the direction of the IOC. The Olympic Movement generated a total of more than US$4 billion, €2.5 billion in revenue during the Olympic quadrennium from 2001 to 2004."seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
I see Geography isn't Pinno's forté.0
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Did you hear about the Kenyan coach.who was sent home? He went to a anti doping test centre posing as an athlete, signing official forms and giving a per sample too I think they said.
I believe Kenyan athletics has a bit of a doping problem.0 -
To those decrying the IOC for not banning all Russians in one fell swoop, I just wonder how much benefit can be gained by doping in Archery, Trap Shooting and, to a lesser extent, Gymnastics and Diving0
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Gymnastics could benefit hugely from muscle growth and injury recovery. Diving more the latter I guess.
Trap shooting I would guess more focus and strength, perhaps less so than gymnastics.0 -
Chinese swimmer popped in the pool........days after they went into absolute meltdown when an Aussie had the cheek to call Sun Yang (who failed a test in 2014) a drug cheat.0
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Have you seen the divers? Male and female all have.very toned bodies. It's gymnastics in the air with a long drop and wet landing. You seriously think.all those twists and pikes aren't athleticism? Somehow less than gymnastics in their demand?
I bet we'd be surprised at what sports could benefit from doping. I bet there's some surprising shoppers out there to be caught.0 -
I spy with my little eye... I'm thinking whoever publishes I-spy books should rush one out for the Olympics. What I mean is you can have high points for say English, French or Canadian dressage rider getting popped for doping but a lower point score for Chinese swimmer. It could be a fun i-spy book to do.0
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Tangled Metal wrote:Have you seen the divers? Male and female all have.very toned bodies. It's gymnastics in the air with a long drop and wet landing. You seriously think.all those twists and pikes aren't athleticism? Somehow less than gymnastics in their demand?
I bet we'd be surprised at what sports could benefit from doping. I bet there's some surprising shoppers out there to be caught.
The divers were ridiculous. Legs like track riders.0 -
With dressage, whoever first said 'let's try to get that horse to dance' must have been on some pretty strong hallucigens.Tangled Metal wrote:I spy with my little eye... I'm thinking whoever publishes I-spy books should rush one out for the Olympics. What I mean is you can have high points for say English, French or Canadian dressage rider getting popped for doping but a lower point score for Chinese swimmer. It could be a fun i-spy book to do.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Tangled Metal wrote:I spy with my little eye... I'm thinking whoever publishes I-spy books should rush one out for the Olympics. What I mean is you can have high points for say English, French or Canadian dressage rider getting popped for doping but a lower point score for Chinese swimmer. It could be a fun i-spy book to do.
It wouldn't be the riders getting caught it would be the horses. This has happened before. Riders tend to get caught for recreational drugs a la Mark Todd.Correlation is not causation.0 -
Dancing horses goes back into pre-history doesn't it? Images on pottery and or murals.
More recently was it those Portuguese or Spanish horses that became famous for dancing?
I don't think it's a surreal thing at all. What it is showing is the quality of horsemanship. It's about handling the horse. That skill of riding is a part of any sport involving horses from polo to grand national. It's just a different way of showing how the rider can get the most out of the partnership.
Wasn't there something about snooker players doping to handle the stress of a match.better? Or was that just cocaine or similar recreational drug?0 -
Tangled Metal wrote:Wasn't there something about snooker players doping to handle the stress of a match.better? Or was that just cocaine or similar recreational drug?
That and keeping their hands steady - same with golfers.
You can see how that would apply to archery and some of the shooting events too.I'm left handed, if that matters.0 -
Beta blockers wasn't it0
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bobmcstuff wrote:Beta blockers wasn't it
That's the one and Adderall.0 -
Isn't that one often prescribed for certain types of adhd? I can see its merits.Dinyull wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:Beta blockers wasn't it
That's the one and Adderall.0 -
Adderall is for ADHD.
It's use is/was rife in NFL where they have mountains of team meetings....but it can also be used as a masking agent.0 -
Tangled Metal wrote:Did you hear about the Kenyan coach.who was sent home? He went to a anti doping test centre posing as an athlete, signing official forms and giving a per sample too I think they said.
I believe Kenyan athletics has a bit of a doping problem.
The explanation I'd read was that the coach wasn't staying in the athletes village and borrowed a runners credentials to go and use the foodhall there.
On the way the testers nabbed him and thinking he was the athlete they were after he had to do the test...
But he is a former Olympian - 1984 I think - so somehow they confused a guy who must be about 32 years older than the athlete they wanted....
Hmmmmmm... So many questions.0 -
The second Kenyan coach to be sent home this week after another offered coaches knowledge of when their athlete's would be tested in return for £10k.0
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Fenix wrote:Tangled Metal wrote:Did you hear about the Kenyan coach.who was sent home? He went to a anti doping test centre posing as an athlete, signing official forms and giving a per sample too I think they said.
I believe Kenyan athletics has a bit of a doping problem.
The explanation I'd read was that the coach wasn't staying in the athletes village and borrowed a runners credentials to go and use the foodhall there.
On the way the testers nabbed him and thinking he was the athlete they were after he had to do the test...
But he is a former Olympian - 1984 I think - so somehow they confused a guy who must be about 32 years older than the athlete they wanted....
Hmmmmmm... So many questions.
If the picture I saw that was supposed to be him (the coach) was correct, he'd also certainly been making the most of the free food, and for some time #allyoucaneat0
