Hamilton's autobiography *spoilers*
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Jörg Jaksche has said similar in the past, that Riis explained how to avoid detection.
I think it's important not to let Lance hog the limelight here, I'd certainly like to see this followed up.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Is the book being published in the UK?0
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dortmunder wrote:Is the book being published in the UK?
Available to pre-order through all reliable online outlets now...0 -
After all... it might help the Danish Federation regain some credibility:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12750 ... itive.aspx0 -
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?0 -
Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?
Hamilton doesn't need credibility, his involvement with Fuentes is a matter of record. As is Basso's, as is F. Schleck's."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?
Hamilton doesn't need credibility, his involvement with Fuentes is a matter of record. As is Basso's, as is F. Schleck's.
Yup.
Iain even posted some of his notes on what to take when.0 -
Just because a person has been dishonest in the past, it does not follow that they will always be dishonest. Yes, they're previous dishonesty is an issue that should be taken into account, but it should be considered alongside the other "evidence" they present. For example, how compelling is the account they now describe?
I'll look forward to reaching my own judgement on Hamilton's account when I have read it. I did find him compelling on the 60 mins programme.0 -
and it turned out that Fuentes supplied lots of riders for T-Mobile, the team that you rode for when you won the tour and they nicknamed you 'mr 60%'disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent."I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, how good is that"
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disgruntledgoat wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?
Hamilton doesn't need credibility, his involvement with Fuentes is a matter of record. As is Basso's, as is F. Schleck's.
His (Hamilton's) involvement may be a matter of record, but the point of the article was that Hamilton says that it came about via an introduction from Riis, which Riis denies. Unless that fact - Riis introduced Hamilton to Fuentes - is a matter of record, then I'd say Hamilton does need credibility.0 -
JustinLeeAtkinson wrote:Just because a person has been dishonest in the past, it does not follow that they will always be dishonest. Yes, they're previous dishonesty is an issue that should be taken into account, but it should be considered alongside the other "evidence" they present. For example, how compelling is the account they now describe?
I'll look forward to reaching my own judgement on Hamilton's account when I have read it. I did find him compelling on the 60 mins programme.
I understand that, and agree with the first para (although independent corroborative evidence is what I'd look for). I just sense that Hamilton seems to have undergone something of an instant rehabilitation once he dobbed LA in.0 -
Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?
Hamilton doesn't need credibility, his involvement with Fuentes is a matter of record. As is Basso's, as is F. Schleck's.
His (Hamilton's) involvement may be a matter of record, but the point of the article was that Hamilton says that it came about via an introduction from Riis, which Riis denies. Unless that fact - Riis introduced Hamilton to Fuentes - is a matter of record, then I'd say Hamilton does need credibility.
And I'm saying that Riis calim's in the linked article he doesn't know Fuentes and, consequently, he is either lying or, given that 3 of his team leaders have been collared for using the guy, not interested in what his riders do and therefore not competent to run a team"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?
Hamilton doesn't need credibility, his involvement with Fuentes is a matter of record. As is Basso's, as is F. Schleck's.
His (Hamilton's) involvement may be a matter of record, but the point of the article was that Hamilton says that it came about via an introduction from Riis, which Riis denies. Unless that fact - Riis introduced Hamilton to Fuentes - is a matter of record, then I'd say Hamilton does need credibility.
But what about Riis's credibility? By your logic it's as shot as Hamilton's, they both cheated to win and subsequently admitted it... as others have said though, Riis has pleaded ignorance of Fuentes on 3 independent occasions now and is starting to look like the unluckiest DS in the business, either that or he's lying through his teeth... and he has a lot to lose by admitting anything0 -
bipedal wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?
Hamilton doesn't need credibility, his involvement with Fuentes is a matter of record. As is Basso's, as is F. Schleck's.
His (Hamilton's) involvement may be a matter of record, but the point of the article was that Hamilton says that it came about via an introduction from Riis, which Riis denies. Unless that fact - Riis introduced Hamilton to Fuentes - is a matter of record, then I'd say Hamilton does need credibility.
But what about Riis's credibility? By your logic it's as shot as Hamilton's, they both cheated to win and subsequently admitted it... as others have said though, Riis has pleaded ignorance of Fuentes on 3 independent occasions now and is starting to look like the unluckiest DS in the business, either that or he's lying through his teeth... and he has a lot to lose by admitting anything
But on that narrow point, one of them must be lying and one must be telling the truth. Absent outside corroboration, one has to decide which one to believe. So, is it Mr. 60% or the twin eater?0 -
Greg66 wrote:bipedal wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?
Hamilton doesn't need credibility, his involvement with Fuentes is a matter of record. As is Basso's, as is F. Schleck's.
His (Hamilton's) involvement may be a matter of record, but the point of the article was that Hamilton says that it came about via an introduction from Riis, which Riis denies. Unless that fact - Riis introduced Hamilton to Fuentes - is a matter of record, then I'd say Hamilton does need credibility.
But what about Riis's credibility? By your logic it's as shot as Hamilton's, they both cheated to win and subsequently admitted it... as others have said though, Riis has pleaded ignorance of Fuentes on 3 independent occasions now and is starting to look like the unluckiest DS in the business, either that or he's lying through his teeth... and he has a lot to lose by admitting anything
But on that narrow point, one of them must be lying and one must be telling the truth. Absent outside corroboration, one has to decide which one to believe. So, is it Mr. 60% or the twin eater?
The circumstances in and around CSC with the 3 team leaders being liked to Fuentes should surely sway it in favour of Hamilton?0 -
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Has he got much money though? I get the impression that he has a lot invested in his team and doesn't have a great deal of cash.Rick Chasey wrote:Also, a man of Riis' means, you'd think he'd sue Hamilton for libel if it was false.Twitter: @RichN950 -
inrng just tweeted a link to first preview.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8321135/book-former-lance-armstrong-teammate-friend-turns-banal-very-ugly0 -
Re: the last anecdote in that preview... wouldn't you just find a new job?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Greg66 wrote:bipedal wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Greg66 wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-i-do-not-know-fuentes
So you know nothing of this man, although I can believe you never met him clean hands and all that, but 3 of your team leaders down the years have been collared as clients of his.
Either you're lying or you're incompetent.
Flipside: when did Hamilton acquire credibility?
Hamilton doesn't need credibility, his involvement with Fuentes is a matter of record. As is Basso's, as is F. Schleck's.
His (Hamilton's) involvement may be a matter of record, but the point of the article was that Hamilton says that it came about via an introduction from Riis, which Riis denies. Unless that fact - Riis introduced Hamilton to Fuentes - is a matter of record, then I'd say Hamilton does need credibility.
But what about Riis's credibility? By your logic it's as shot as Hamilton's, they both cheated to win and subsequently admitted it... as others have said though, Riis has pleaded ignorance of Fuentes on 3 independent occasions now and is starting to look like the unluckiest DS in the business, either that or he's lying through his teeth... and he has a lot to lose by admitting anything
But on that narrow point, one of them must be lying and one must be telling the truth. Absent outside corroboration, one has to decide which one to believe. So, is it Mr. 60% or the twin eater?
Who has the greater motivation to lie? I'd suggest it's the guy who runs a successful top-tier cycling team with multimillion euro sponsorship deals to keep hold of...0 -
This is a guy who wrode to a top 5 place in the Tour riding most of it with a broken collarbone - so painful that he ground his teeth down.
I don't think qutting is something that readily enters Hamilton's mind.0 -
We can go round and round in circles on this forever. IIRC Riis dodged questions about doping when a rider, and confessed after he retired, when he was a DS. Hamilton trotted out some right ol' cobblers when he tested positive, denied it, and spent something close to $1m defending the lie before coming clean. And has tmore than one positive test.
I'm afraid I regard Hamilton as fatally damaged goods. The news that he has a book out just as The USADA moves on LA makes me think "ker-ching - cashing in time".
Everyone has a view on these players. Not everyone's will be the same.
PS: the collarbone bone and tooth thing is impressive. It sort of underlines what a bunch of nutter GT pro riders are to my mind. A reckon a few more would carry on riding with a broken bone if they could. They're all shades of bonkers in the 'ead.0 -
Riis introduced Hamilton to Cecchini. Cecchini probably used Fuentes as his ops man. The chances of Riis not knowing him are awfully slimFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Bonnie Ford's review of Hamilton's book. Fairly detailed critique.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8321135/book-former-lance-armstrong-teammate-friend-turns-banal-very-ugly0 -
Cyclingnews' review has many more juicy bits
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyler-hamiltons-book-reveals-in-depth-doping-network0 -
I shouldn't be surprised, but it never fails to amaze me how ghetto blood doping is. Storing it in your fridge, using dead blood and having the phone ready in case something goes wrong. And that's with paying a lot of money for help.
Horrible business.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
