Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped
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lifetime bans...like the one what they gave to Lance eh?You live and learn. At any rate, you live0
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Pro cycling is simply a sport
Unfortunately sulluied when money and/or fame enters the equation.
You wouldn't spend $1 M dollars on doctors services jsut to win your local chipper or sportive (well most people wouldn't).
Where there's money they'll always be the propensity to dope.
Fortunately I don't have first hand dealings with the guy, but from everything thats in the public domain Pharmstrong is;
well not a very nice human being...........
I still think he could end up doing porridge for perjury.
Lying under oath aand defrauding $5M is no small matter. I think that could be his biggest worry right now. Never mind the lifetime ban and titles. Small beer compared to perjury.0 -
dennisn wrote:B3rnieMac wrote:If anything good comes from this, when it finally gets all settled, it means Dennis has next to no reason to post here any more since his main reason for being here is devils advocate for Armstrong, he seems to have no interest in any other facet of pro cycling.
I thought pro cycling was doping and vice versa. What other facet is there to pro cycling. Doping seems to be all that is talked about here. Besides, now you're blaming pro cycling. Pro cycling is simply a sport. A sport among many. I challenge you to find a sport, any sport, that doesn't have cheaters. Hell, the kid next door tries to cheat when we play checkers. And he's 8 years old. It's a little tiring reading about cheaters, bullys, con men, dopers, thugs, as if LA was the only one in the world. These people are everywhere. All pretty much anyone has been saying on this subject is that all of you fell for the "scam" so to speak. You made it into a great and heroic sport, the worlds hardest sport, tough men punishing themselves for cycling glory and your entertainment. Therefore "you was robbed". And now you're all p*ssed off about it, yet in the end it was / is your own doing. So go ahead and carry that grudge for the rest of your life if you want to. It won't make your life better.
If i ever have trouble sleeping i just read one of Dennis' posts.... they are better than horlicks at getting you awa...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzWhen a true genius appears in this world, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Utter bollocks.
I didn't watch a single one of Armstrong's "wins". I gave up on the sport because of Festina. He was never, ever a hero to me me.
I want Armstrong to go down hard because he is an insidious, corrupt, manipulative, bullying bastard who continued to f**** the sport over at a time when it was on its knees. I want all the details out because I want to know who else was responsible, who was complicit, and exactly how corrupt cycling's leadership have been.
Well, FWIW you sound really p*ssed off about everything so far. You said you gave up on the sport because of Festina yet here you are on the "Pro Race" forum ranting on.
You claim to want to know the truth about everything. Hate to say it but the old saying of "you can't handle the truth" may apply to you. Careful what ya wish for.0 -
nathancom wrote:
Have you ever considered that it is simply morally right to be angry at an individual who has treated those around him and society at large in this way ...
Ya got me all wrong. You can be as mad as you want for as long as you want against one or many. H*ll, get mad at me, get mad at the world. I'm just asking how all this anger will improve your life? You sound like you need to make a statement about all this. Well anger really isn't a statement. Quitting riding bicycles. Now that's a statement. Know anyone who has done this? Neither do I. I'm sorry you feel that LA has personally mistreated you(society at large and all). I didn't have a sense of that myself.0 -
dennisn wrote:mfin wrote:Personally, I think he should be hounded and ridiculed until such point as he comes clean.
RIGHT. So if he confesses all tommorrow you'll never say another thing bad about him?
Please, give me a break with the "all he has to do is confess" cr*p. No, you want him beat down to some sort of end that satisfies you, and a confession won't do that for you. Problem is, and I've said this before, you've all made heroes out of these guys and now you're finding out that your faith was misplaced. You backed the wrong horse. The sport was dirty, you all said you knew it, and now that it's coming apart you're all acting
very hurt and troubled. You claimed to support the sport, so maybe it was partly your fault for being somewhat blindly loyal to people who really didn't deserve the hero worship. Yet you continued to worship even after you knew it was rotten in the 90's.
One good thing that's come out of all this is you will have learned that just because someone is good at a sport, it's no reason to put them on a pedestal. Next time pick better heroes.
You couldn't be more wrong.
1. If he admitted it, my attitude/opinion would change
2. I don't have any cycling heroes, in fact I don't have any heroes, I don't idolise anyone in any walk of life.
You're so far off the mark with assessing me its quite unbelievable Dennis.
If fact, Id go so far as to say you don't really read anything of what people post. You're pre-programmed to come out with the same old stuff. You may think you get us to engage with ourselves in exploring our opinions and thought processes, but you don't.
People don't get bored of you because of your 'alternative viewpoint', or finding your 'alternative viewpoint' challenging. They get bored of you cos your last 1000 posts seem to say the same thing.
Try challenging your own thinking for a change and maybe, just maybe you'll come up with a decent post.
Sometimes I think you think we're all thick on here or something, but there's a lot of people who are very intelligent and completely self-aware when it comes to their own thinking processes without some amateur psychologist thinking they're somehow enlightening us to ourselves on the back of 'how long they've been around' and 'seen it all'.
For an older chap, maybe you need to grow up a bit.0 -
Guys , just a gentle reminder the topic is........Lance Armstrong stripped of 7 TDF wins,gets lifetime ban
We've all been snared by Dennis at some point...........leave him to his own thoguhts.0 -
itisaboutthebike wrote:Guys , just a gentle reminder the topic is........Lance Armstrong stripped of 7 TDF wins,gets lifetime ban
We've all been snared by Dennis at some point...........leave him to his own thoguhts.
Fair comment
Anyone know of any documentaries or programmes being made on all this??0 -
Another 5L thang on Thur in the wake of the UCI decision.
Q david Milarr, Brailsford, plus a few other star turns no doubt. Strange - nowt from Cav AFAICR.
Jalabert " huge champion". Jalabert - dirty as hell.
I have it good authority Jimmy Saville won't be appearing.0 -
^ at lunchtime today I dug out my 'Science of Lance Armstrong' DVD and watched that. Very amusing. Lots of great parts which now have very different meanings. The word 'injected' was used at one point - something like for his comeback he injected all his enthusiasm into winning.
Yep, and a few other things.I'm left handed, if that matters.0 -
Would be great to be a fly on the wall at mtgs between Pharmstrong and his attorney right now. Priceless..........
He can't come clean - too much at stake (perjury etc).
But it's getting complicated for him now..........and potentially even messier than we've seen thus far.
Oh and by the way I've called for the CTC to disassocciated itself from that idiot Leggup.0 -
http://inrng.com/2012/10/history-rewritten-armstrong-tour-de-france/#more-11456
im sure someone's posted it but a good article on today and the uci0 -
frenchfighter wrote:I wish they would ask the UCI about paras 102-108 in Tyler's affidavit:
http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Ha ... idavit.pdf
Jeeeeesus. How did I miss this? Utterly insane.
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frenchfighter wrote:I wish they would ask the UCI about paras 102-108 in Tyler's affidavit:
Was in the Secret Race.0 -
Just seen BBC's David Bond grill McQuaid - See him squirm trying to answer the question that Armstrong gave the UCI money to help buy the drug testing machine and defend verbruggen.. surely the team DS's should get together and tell them to resign if their is any credibilty left after today's "paper tiger" performance. :evil:0
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mfin wrote:
You couldn't be more wrong.
1. If he admitted it, my attitude/opinion would change
2. I don't have any cycling heroes, in fact I don't have any heroes, I don't idolise anyone in any walk of life.
For an older chap, maybe you need to grow up a bit.
I sincerly hope I am wrong about you. Being right would be very sad indeed.
1.) What would it change to? Respect? Admiration?
2.) Glad to hear it as there are many more people deserving of being your heroes. Friends, family, to name a few. You know, the ones you can count on.
You have to grow old but you don't have to grow up. Not sure who said that but I certainly agree with it. So no, I refuse to grow up.
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not sure if this has been posted before but graphic of who won the TDF clean recently.
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@lancearmstrong has removed the 7 times TdF winner from his bio - Think that's as close as we ll ever get to an admission boys...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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didn't Hamilton have Julich down as a doper in the Secret Race?Facts are meaningless, you can use facts to prove anything that's remotely true! - Homer0
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Cavendish on Twitter wrote:With doping, I'm saddened that modern cycling's seen as a culprit, not a casualty of individuals. Don't paint everyone with the same brush.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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maddog 2 wrote:didn't Hamilton have Julich down as a doper in the Secret Race?
No, he didnt. All I recall him saying about Bobby J in the book is that he was really into the sports science angle and Armstrong hated him (which raised my estimation of Julich straightaway).
His name's come up as the likely candidate for 'Rider 4' in the USADA report.0 -
Sammy Dumoulin might be tiny but he packs a punch
On Twitter:
"If the UCI wants to make a real decision, it must withdraw from the fight against doping and request that an independent regulatory system is put in place. All other international sports federations should do the same."0 -
samiam wrote:frenchfighter wrote:I wish they would ask the UCI about paras 102-108 in Tyler's affidavit:
http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Ha ... idavit.pdf
Jeeeeesus. How did I miss this? Utterly insane.
Read it but didn't really process it the first time I went through the docs.
Something I rather suspect we will never get an answer to - unless Lance has a damascene conversion to the truth.0 -
dennisn wrote:
After all this has happened are there still people out there who believe in clean? Just out of curiousity why are these people clean? What if they are ALL dirty? :?
Despite being well fed on fresh meat, my uncle's old black Labrador would still disappear for a few days the moment he caught the scent of a dead sheep in one of the neighbouring fields. After gorging himself on the rotting corpse, the dog would come back and receive a mixed reception of part fondness/annoyance for the silly old sod. All the patting must have had an effect on him, because he would then issue forth the most putrid farts imaginable. People would pull a :x face and, in unison (often whilst pointing to the door), would shout "Dennis!".
For that was his name.
You miss 'em when they're gone.0 -
fidbod wrote:samiam wrote:frenchfighter wrote:I wish they would ask the UCI about paras 102-108 in Tyler's affidavit:
http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Ha ... idavit.pdf
Jeeeeesus. How did I miss this? Utterly insane.
Read it but didn't really process it the first time I went through the docs.
Something I rather suspect we will never get an answer to - unless Lance has a damascene conversion to the truth.
I think there's a danger of reading too much into this
1) "Tyler said that Floyd said that Lance said..." isn't really anything you could reliably hang someone with.
2) If LA was that powerful, surely he'd have got Hamilton done for doping rather than just a "blood looks odd, we're watching you, sonny"
3) Hamilton by his own admission was in his new squad, prepping for a shot at the TdF title. Its not as if his blood profile wouldn't be all over the place.
It may just be coincidence.'This week I 'ave been mostly been climbing like Basso - Shirley Basso.'0
