Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • curium
    curium Posts: 815
    LA doing a podcast for the TDF2017 http://lancearmstrong.com/stages

    Hinted that Tom Dumoulin contacted him for advice during the Giro #181
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,576
    He's settled his lawsuit with the Dept of Justice, paid out a $5 million settlement.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    From USA Today...

    As a government whistleblower, Landis stood to get up to 25% of the cut. Landis' attorney, Paul Scott, said the the settlement calls for payment of $5 million to the United States and $1.65 million to Landis. Additionally, Landis will get a 22% cut of the government's recovery: $1.1 million, for a total of $2.75 million.

    "I am pleased with the settlement and gratified to see the allegations against Lance finally resolved after eight years of litigation,” Landis said in a statement. “It has been a difficult ordeal and public opinion was not always on my side, but it was the right thing to do, and I am hopeful that some positive changes for cycling and sport in general will be the result. I’m looking forward to spending more time with my family and more energy on my new business ventures."
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,517
    Ironic, considering that all of the US Postal team were on Lance's 'program'.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    mfin wrote:
    From USA Today...

    As a government whistleblower, Landis stood to get up to 25% of the cut. Landis' attorney, Paul Scott, said the the settlement calls for payment of $5 million to the United States and $1.65 million to Landis. Additionally, Landis will get a 22% cut of the government's recovery: $1.1 million, for a total of $2.75 million.

    "I am pleased with the settlement and gratified to see the allegations against Lance finally resolved after eight years of litigation,” Landis said in a statement. “It has been a difficult ordeal and public opinion was not always on my side, but it was the right thing to do, and I am hopeful that some positive changes for cycling and sport in general will be the result. I’m looking forward to spending more time with my family and more energy on my new business ventures."
    Other reports say that the payment Landis got was only his legal costs. Which it should be. He was every bit as bad as Armstrong.

    I'm quite glad that Armstrong has got away with his money. Everyone else in that era did and many are still earning big money (yes, you Jalabert, no.1 doper). And US Postal got the advertising they paid for and more. There was no fraud.
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  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/201 ... overnment/

    'Landis is eligible for 25 per cent of the settlement fee ($5m), plus $1.65 million to cover his legal fees and expenses.'

    So the payment will settle US Postal and Landi's legal fees and LA pays out $5m plus maybe $3-5m in his own fees so total of upto $10 million.

    It's a compromise situation for both LA and US Postal, of course the real hit has been to LA. And cycling.

    Hopefully we've now seen the last of him but I regrettably think not....
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • green_mark
    green_mark Posts: 74
    LAs estimated net worth before the agreement was $125m

    I'm guessing theres a few other cases that he will settle, and then there's lawyers' fees. But methinks he will have a comfortable living from now on.
  • Bo Duke
    Bo Duke Posts: 1,058
    Did he settle with the insurance company who paid out basis winning the tour x times in a row...?

    The owner was a mathematician who stated it was virtually statistically impossible for LA to have win so many times and stated that he must have been doping - LA sued him etc.. to get his silence but he always swore he'd get him back?
    'Performance analysis and Froome not being clean was a media driven story. I haven’t heard one guy in the peloton say a negative thing about Froome, and I haven’t heard a single person in the peloton suggest Froome isn’t clean.' TSP
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    RichN95 wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    From USA Today...

    As a government whistleblower, Landis stood to get up to 25% of the cut. Landis' attorney, Paul Scott, said the the settlement calls for payment of $5 million to the United States and $1.65 million to Landis. Additionally, Landis will get a 22% cut of the government's recovery: $1.1 million, for a total of $2.75 million.

    "I am pleased with the settlement and gratified to see the allegations against Lance finally resolved after eight years of litigation,” Landis said in a statement. “It has been a difficult ordeal and public opinion was not always on my side, but it was the right thing to do, and I am hopeful that some positive changes for cycling and sport in general will be the result. I’m looking forward to spending more time with my family and more energy on my new business ventures."
    Other reports say that the payment Landis got was only his legal costs. Which it should be. He was every bit as bad as Armstrong.

    I'm quite glad that Armstrong has got away with his money. Everyone else in that era did and many are still earning big money (yes, you Jalabert, no.1 doper). And US Postal got the advertising they paid for and more. There was no fraud.

    There we go Rich, justifying drug abuse (again) Of course there was a fraud, if nothing else he defrauded the us postal service or do you re write everything to suit your version of events.

    I have no idea why you are allowed anypart in sports management with attitudes like that Rich. Even if its only hockey.
  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439
    I think he's just being realistic in that all the top riders from that era were on it and got to keep the cash. Armstrong is a piece of work, though.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Vino'sGhost wrote:

    There we go Rich, justifying drug abuse (again) Of course there was a fraud, if nothing else he defrauded the us postal service or do you re write everything to suit your version of events.

    Might need to explain this.

    What was the fraud bit? Spell it out.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:

    There we go Rich, justifying drug abuse (again) Of course there was a fraud, if nothing else he defrauded the us postal service or do you re write everything to suit your version of events.

    Might need to explain this.

    What was the fraud bit? Spell it out.


    Ill spell it out. It is simple, but you might not have the capacity or willingness to grasp it. Of course because he settled you might well consider he's innocent.

    Armstrong defrauded the US taxpayer through cheating whilst being paid by the us government via US Postal service. He admitted to using drugs to win in 2013. This was a technical violation of his contract. These facts are not disputed.

    The fraud lawsuit brought by landis and later joined by the us government looked for damages equivalent to three times the money he received which is where the 97 - 100 million dollars comes from. he settled the claim but that does not mean he was innocent.

    Separately he claimed millions of pounds in win bonuses paid for by insurance. there was no requirement for him to have won clean so no fraud there but now the wins have been annulled he may face a claim for the money to be returned. He may have even already settled that for all i know.

    Every person who he led to believe he was doing it clean was a victim of his fraud. No doubt youll look back now with sage wisdom and say you werent taken in but i seem to remember saying he was a cheat and being mocked on here for years before it was more widely accepted.

    Finally whilst drug abuse was rife and our very own David Millar was keeping viles of epo in his fridge to remind himself not to dope, Armstrong defrauded every clean athlete, ruined careers and poisoned a beautiful sport.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:

    There we go Rich, justifying drug abuse (again) Of course there was a fraud, if nothing else he defrauded the us postal service or do you re write everything to suit your version of events.

    Might need to explain this.

    What was the fraud bit? Spell it out.


    Ill spell it out. It is simple, but you might not have the capacity or willingness to grasp it. Of course because he settled you might well consider he's innocent.

    Armstrong defrauded the US taxpayer through cheating whilst being paid by the us government via US Postal service. He admitted to using drugs to win in 2013. This was a technical violation of his contract. These facts are not disputed.


    t.

    And this is different to Valverde how? After all, Caisse D'Epange was bailed out with gov't money, and so the gov't owned a piece of it.
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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    On the top left it says you only joined in 2012, which was well after he'd been convicted in the court of public opinion. But carry on.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:

    There we go Rich, justifying drug abuse (again) Of course there was a fraud, if nothing else he defrauded the us postal service or do you re write everything to suit your version of events.

    Might need to explain this.

    What was the fraud bit? Spell it out.


    Ill spell it out. It is simple, but you might not have the capacity or willingness to grasp it. Of course because he settled you might well consider he's innocent.

    Armstrong defrauded the US taxpayer through cheating whilst being paid by the us government via US Postal service. He admitted to using drugs to win in 2013. This was a technical violation of his contract. These facts are not disputed.


    t.

    And this is different to Valverde how? After all, Caisse D'Epange was bailed out with gov't money, and so the gov't owned a piece of it.

    You asked how Armstrong committed fraud and now you are implying that its ok because others may have done similar???

    I suspect you have no more of an idea than anyone else what the financial arrangements or legal position was relating to Caisse D'Epange, the Spanish Government or the relevant Spanish Law at that time. This is however a thread about Armstrong not general doping.

    Its good to know that the clinics hysteria has an antidote in the form of bike radar, where doping is legitimised not only in a forum but also by a moderator.
  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,712
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:

    There we go Rich, justifying drug abuse (again) Of course there was a fraud, if nothing else he defrauded the us postal service or do you re write everything to suit your version of events.

    Might need to explain this.

    What was the fraud bit? Spell it out.


    Ill spell it out. It is simple, but you might not have the capacity or willingness to grasp it. Of course because he settled you might well consider he's innocent.

    Armstrong defrauded the US taxpayer through cheating whilst being paid by the us government via US Postal service. He admitted to using drugs to win in 2013. This was a technical violation of his contract. These facts are not disputed.


    t.

    And this is different to Valverde how? After all, Caisse D'Epange was bailed out with gov't money, and so the gov't owned a piece of it.

    You asked how Armstrong committed fraud and now you are implying that its ok because others may have done similar???

    I suspect you have no more of an idea than anyone else what the financial arrangements or legal position was relating to Caisse D'Epange, the Spanish Government or the relevant Spanish Law at that time. This is however a thread about Armstrong not general doping.

    Its good to know that the clinics hysteria has an antidote in the form of bike radar, where doping is legitimised not only in a forum but also by a moderator.
    Not interested in the arguments either way re: Lance, but I quite enjoy the irony of someone using Vino's name being a bit high horsey about doping.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:

    There we go Rich, justifying drug abuse (again) Of course there was a fraud, if nothing else he defrauded the us postal service or do you re write everything to suit your version of events.

    Might need to explain this.

    What was the fraud bit? Spell it out.


    Ill spell it out. It is simple, but you might not have the capacity or willingness to grasp it. Of course because he settled you might well consider he's innocent.

    Armstrong defrauded the US taxpayer through cheating whilst being paid by the us government via US Postal service. He admitted to using drugs to win in 2013. This was a technical violation of his contract. These facts are not disputed.


    t.

    And this is different to Valverde how? After all, Caisse D'Epange was bailed out with gov't money, and so the gov't owned a piece of it.

    You asked how Armstrong committed fraud and now you are implying that its ok because others may have done similar???

    I suspect you have no more of an idea than anyone else what the financial arrangements or legal position was relating to Caisse D'Epange, the Spanish Government or the relevant Spanish Law at that time. This is however a thread about Armstrong not general doping.

    Its good to know that the clinics hysteria has an antidote in the form of bike radar, where doping is legitimised not only in a forum but also by a moderator.

    French bank, innit, bailed out by the French gov't.

    I just call out inconsistency. And you are inconsistent on the topic of doping and dopers.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,719
    Does his podcast have a patreon?
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Vino'sGhost wrote:

    There we go Rich, justifying drug abuse (again) Of course there was a fraud, if nothing else he defrauded the us postal service or do you re write everything to suit your version of events.

    Might need to explain this.

    What was the fraud bit? Spell it out.


    Ill spell it out. It is simple, but you might not have the capacity or willingness to grasp it. Of course because he settled you might well consider he's innocent.

    Armstrong defrauded the US taxpayer through cheating whilst being paid by the us government via US Postal service. He admitted to using drugs to win in 2013. This was a technical violation of his contract. These facts are not disputed.


    t.

    And this is different to Valverde how? After all, Caisse D'Epange was bailed out with gov't money, and so the gov't owned a piece of it.

    You asked how Armstrong committed fraud and now you are implying that its ok because others may have done similar???

    I suspect you have no more of an idea than anyone else what the financial arrangements or legal position was relating to Caisse D'Epange, the Spanish Government or the relevant Spanish Law at that time. This is however a thread about Armstrong not general doping.

    Its good to know that the clinics hysteria has an antidote in the form of bike radar, where doping is legitimised not only in a forum but also by a moderator.

    French bank, innit, bailed out by the French gov't.

    I just call out inconsistency. And you are inconsistent on the topic of doping and dopers.

    Im hardly inconsistent, Dopers should be caught and punished. Then they should be free to be rehabilitated (depending on crime). Contador and Valverde are two of my favourite riders, not because theyve been done for doping but because of the way they ride.

    Froome may well get a ban (rightly or wrongly) but i don't find him as exciting though he is growing on me.

    Armstrong was a bully and a fraud and was never punished during his career. its very different.

    I believe that Wiggins used drugs and I never warmed to him as a character either.

    Im consistent on the topic but have preferred riders much like anyone else.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,798
    Vino'sGhost wrote:
    .. and poisoned a beautiful sport.

    Fine till that point. Its a beautiful sport, but lets not be naive. :)
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    I wonder what was the case put forward by US Postal...

    I wonder if they can prove in any shape or form that they lost business as a result of the Armstrong's affair... and more importantly whether this loss actually offset the business they gained by sponsoring the team.

    America is a mad place, you get up one morning and someone has filed a lawsuit against you... going to jail seems a normal thing to do in America... they really need a serious reform of their justice system. Theroux program about American jails opened my eyes about the fact these places are full of basically good people
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,272
    VG: any opinion on convicted and admitted doper Floyd Landis being a financial beneficiary of this lawsuit and settlement?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    Vino'sGhost wrote:

    Its good to know that the clinics hysteria has an antidote in the form of bike radar, where doping is legitimised not only in a forum but also by a moderator.

    I had a quick look at their post confession thread, part three, this morning.
    Incredibly and much to my surprise, they seem to be pretty much aligned with Rich/Rick's viewpoint.

    FWIW. I don't hold the view that it's OK that he got to keep the money, cos others did.
    That's exactly the same as many US citizens, who still claim his doping was OK, cos they were all at it.
    As far as I now, that is not a position commonly held around here.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    orraloon wrote:
    VG: any opinion on convicted and admitted doper Floyd Landis being a financial beneficiary of this lawsuit and settlement?

    Im a little uncomfortable, since he is in effect benefiting from a criminal endeavour but I can imagine it being satisfying knowing Armstrong would be writing him a cheque :) Revenge is a dish best served cold and all that.

    The law Llandis used encourages whistleblowing for serious fraud cases. Irrespective of the motivations for bringing the case it provides a mechanism for addressing, in this case, a fraud in the tens of millions of pounds. Also this is an American Law the same set of laws that helped armstrong amass and keep such a fortune in the first place.

    Given Armstrong didnt have to contend a case where many of the key facts were accepted by both sides, id say he got away lightly.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,798
    Choosing who is the biggest sleaze between LA and Landis though. Who'd want to call that one?

    I'd back LA I think. Landis makes my skin crawl.
    2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    Landis gets a pass from me for actually telling the truth. Not sure how many others have actually told the truth.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Landis gets a pass from me for actually telling the truth. Not sure how many others have actually told the truth.

    Didn't he blame his elevated testosterone on Jack Daniels?
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Landis gets a pass from me for actually telling the truth. Not sure how many others have actually told the truth.

    Didn't he blame his elevated testosterone on Jack Daniels?

    initially yes and then he fessed up. under pressure admittedly and in return for some level of immunity.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Landis gets a pass from me for actually telling the truth. Not sure how many others have actually told the truth.
    Landis only did the right thing when he ran out of wrong things to do.
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