Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

rick_chasey

https://soundcloud.com/cosmocatalano/th ... re-sitting


cross posting but I'm allowed 'cos my name is red .

Paul 8v

jawooga wrote:

Paul 8v wrote:

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Morales?
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Sounds like a tough Mexican cop, determined to clean up the sport he loves.

That'll teach me to post on my phone! Maybe that's what we need, a Mexican cop, probably be more effective than what we have now!

frenchfighter

Here he is drummin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... q2QsqatfLA

alan_a

BBC reports that US Feds have finally outlined their case with Floyd against Armstrong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/22276536

P.s. went to David Walsh talk in Glasgow last night. Interesting insight into the Sunday Times case with them wanting their £1million back. Sounds like Lance is bricking it big time.

IanLD

David Walsh was fantastic last night. Great audience participation too and asked him afterwards what his opinion of a certain well known TV commentator was. Didn't get a positive response

Still raving about how good it was to everyone in work today and think some of the tennis fans are a bit surprised...

danlikesbikes

This is CW's report on the Fed's joining of the lawsuit, TBH very similar to the BBC one http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... trong.html

oneof1982

Is "unjustly enriched" a legal term for "cheatin b@st@rd"?

danlikesbikes

oneof1982 wrote:

Is "unjustly enriched" a legal term for "cheatin b@st@rd"?

more like got stupidly rich by cheating!

dennisn

I can't decide which you guys hate the most. Him being rich or him cheating?

thomthom

Him being rich on intimidating and ruin other people's careers and lives.

Frank the tank

dennisn wrote:

I can't decide which you guys hate the most. Him being rich or him cheating?

In my case both.

I don't like cheats (at anything) and it's the fact he's amassed such wealth because of his cheating I hate. Plus there are the lives and careers he's destroyed, which hardly endears him to me.

oneof1982

dennisn wrote:

I can't decide which you guys hate the most. Him being rich or him cheating?

Definately the cheating. Just to be clear.......

danlikesbikes

dennisn wrote:

I can't decide which you guys hate the most. Him being rich or him cheating?

I don't 'hate' anyone being rich.

I do however hate Larry due to his;
Cheating
Lies under oath
Bullying other riders who as far as we know were not cheaters themselves
Taking people to court for suggesting he was cheating which as it turns out he was
Trying to make a comeback to my other sport of triathlon only to find he is not wanted due to 'poor publicity'
Trying to make a comeback to my other sport of swimming only to find he is not wanted due to 'poor publicity'
Trying to make a comeback to my other sport of running only to find he is not wanted due to 'poor publicity'
His fraudulent actions i.e. cheating to get money
His inability to help the authorities in reducing any further such crimes occurring
Boffing Sheryl Crow
His cheating setting our sport back years in the eyes of 'average joe public' and the damaged reputation of the sport

I think that just about covers it but am sure there are other reasons to hate him & the above list is not exclusive.

dennisn

ThomThom wrote:

Him being rich on intimidating and ruin other people's careers and lives.

He's been accused of being an intimidating bully and ruining other peoples lives and careers. This brings up a couple of questions.

How exactly did he intimidate all these people. Threats of violence? I'll beat you up if you don't comply to my wishes?
Threatening them with lawyers? For what?

Of all the people that he intimidated / threatened, none of them stood up to him? They were all scared, weak willed people?

Did he have any accomplices in this intimidation(i.e. mafia like goons backing him up)? Or was it just him?

If it's all true why haven't we started to hear a flood of stories from the many pro's he's obviously threatened? Now that he's down and out(so to speak) I would think that all these people he's ruled with an iron fist would come out of the woodwork? Or are they all afraid that if they say anything that the media will put a microscope to their lives and maybe that wouldn't be the best of ideas?

k-dog

Danlikesbikes wrote:

I do however hate Larry due to his:
Boffing Sheryl Crow

I can't work out if that's because you're jealous or if you thought that was a mistake?

danlikesbikes

dennisn wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Him being rich on intimidating and ruin other people's careers and lives.

He's been accused of being an intimidating bully and ruining other peoples lives and careers. This brings up a couple of questions.

How exactly did he intimidate all these people. Threats of violence? I'll beat you up if you don't comply to my wishes?
Threatening them with lawyers? For what?

Of all the people that he intimidated / threatened, none of them stood up to him? They were all scared, weak willed people?

Did he have any accomplices in this intimidation(i.e. mafia like goons backing him up)? Or was it just him?

If it's all true why haven't we started to hear a flood of stories from the many pro's he's obviously threatened? Now that he's down and out(so to speak) I would think that all these people he's ruled with an iron fist would come out of the woodwork? Or are they all afraid that if they say anything that the media will put a microscope to their lives and maybe that wouldn't be the best of ideas?

Come on Dennis you'll have to do better than that. If your intelligent enough to know how to use google to logon to BR then your similarly intelligent enough to use google to look at what/who he intimidated. Its amazing how someone with such wealth can scare off others from standing up to him & your point on people not now coming out of the woodwork is priceless as clearly you didn't see the Oprah interview and all the people afterwards.

You should consider going on stage with your deadpan humour set it would go down a storm in the right circles.

danlikesbikes

k-dog wrote:

Danlikesbikes wrote:

I do however hate Larry due to his:
Boffing Sheryl Crow

I can't work out if that's because you're jealous or if you thought that was a mistake?

IMHO not a mistake is pure and simple the green monster on that count.

joelsim

He had a lot of money with which to pay lawyers, which others didn't have. Therefore it was heavily weighted in his favour. When your whole life can be ruined by him and the team 'not needing you anymore because you don't play by his rules' and then by his threats if you so much as mention anything to anyone...

It's not the fact that he cheated as the vast majority were doing exactly the same thing. The people who need fingers pointing are Verbruggen and McQuaid amongst others. If they had clamped down as the governing body should do, then it would all have been different. Unfortunately they played the game believing LA was the saviour with a great story...which enabled the pr*ck to do whatever he wanted, and to treat everyone how he felt fit to, all for the benefit of LA.

What goes around comes around, until now though it's only the little people who have suffered.

Frank the tank

dennisn wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Him being rich on intimidating and ruin other people's careers and lives.

He's been accused of being an intimidating bully and ruining other peoples lives and careers. This brings up a couple of questions.

How exactly did he intimidate all these people. Threats of violence? I'll beat you up if you don't comply to my wishes?
Threatening them with lawyers? For what?

Of all the people that he intimidated / threatened, none of them stood up to him? They were all scared, weak willed people?

Did he have any accomplices in this intimidation(i.e. mafia like goons backing him up)? Or was it just him?

If it's all true why haven't we started to hear a flood of stories from the many pro's he's obviously threatened? Now that he's down and out(so to speak) I would think that all these people he's ruled with an iron fist would come out of the woodwork? Or are they all afraid that if they say anything that the media will put a microscope to their lives and maybe that wouldn't be the best of ideas?

I can't believe someone supposedly intelligent could make such a post and mean it. Read "seven deadly sins, my pursuit of Lance Armstrong" by David Walsh.

But you won't, you can't face the truth.

joelsim

Or Tyler's book, exactly the same bullying.

dennisn

Joelsim wrote:

The people who need fingers pointing are Verbruggen and McQuaid amongst others. If they had clamped down as the governing body should do, then it would all have been different. Unfortunately they played the game believing LA was the saviour with a great story...

Why would those two look upon LA as a savior? I've always thought that cycling was a wildly popular sport, if not so much in the U.S., in Europe, even despite doping scandals. Like football or tennis, everyone knows that doping is part of the game and yet they retain mass appeal. Cycling's story is no different. So I ask what would LA have been "saving" them from?

Also begs the question of were they the "muscle"(if you will) behind LA's intimidation / threats? Or did LA do it ALL himself?

joelsim

The 1998 Festina Affair. Then their knight in shining armour turned up, cancer survivor, great story, massive marketing potential for the US etc etc

dennisn

Frank the tank wrote:

dennisn wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Him being rich on intimidating and ruin other people's careers and lives.

He's been accused of being an intimidating bully and ruining other peoples lives and careers. This brings up a couple of questions.

How exactly did he intimidate all these people. Threats of violence? I'll beat you up if you don't comply to my wishes?
Threatening them with lawyers? For what?

Of all the people that he intimidated / threatened, none of them stood up to him? They were all scared, weak willed people?

Did he have any accomplices in this intimidation(i.e. mafia like goons backing him up)? Or was it just him?

If it's all true why haven't we started to hear a flood of stories from the many pro's he's obviously threatened? Now that he's down and out(so to speak) I would think that all these people he's ruled with an iron fist would come out of the woodwork? Or are they all afraid that if they say anything that the media will put a microscope to their lives and maybe that wouldn't be the best of ideas?

I can't believe someone supposedly intelligent could make such a post and mean it. Read "seven deadly sins, my pursuit of Lance Armstrong" by David Walsh.

But you won't, you can't face the truth.

I'll read your book if you'll answer all my questions? "But you won't,...".

joelsim

He was extremely powerful and by all accounts it would appear that he got his way on pretty much everything, with a little help from his friends, and sneaky little payments to keep positive tests quiet etc etc.

David Walsh's book and Tyler Hamilton's book will answer all of those questions.

dennisn

Joelsim wrote:

The 1998 Festina Affair. Then their knight in shining armour turned up, cancer survivor, great story, massive marketing potential for the US etc etc

Let's talk "affairs" then.

So far(recently) there have been two "affairs" in cycling. Festina and LA. From my point of view it seems that cycling is still wildly popular over there AND in the U.S. It's gone global despite scandal. Seems like every country wants a big race staged on their soil. Sounds like bunches of marketing potential to me. Crowds at the races seem as big, if not bigger, than ever. There are more bike makes and makers out there than ever. Component manufacturers are coming out of the woodwork from all corners of the globe. Can't even calculate how many bike tire and wheel makers are out there.
If those "affairs" have ruined cycling you sure could have fooled me. People cheat at all sorts of sports. Don't take it personally. It wasn't about you.

joelsim

I'm not complaining about the doping as such, or LA doping. Just about his bullying and the power he had due to friends and money. Mind you if he has to pay the US Govt $78m, The Sunday Times $1m and SCA a few million as well, it's going to hurt. Especially as Landis will be due 30% of it. Bummer.

A right nasty piece of work. Him, not you :shock:

Funnily enough he was also put in the position that he couldn't admit doping and he was asked over and over. Without it he would have just faded away so to an extent he was a victim of circumstance too. And I guess when everyone else is doing it, he didn't have much choice. I would have doped in the same circumstances, but I wouldn't have trodden all over others in a single-minded win at all costs way like he did though.

thomthom

dennisn wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

dennisn wrote:

ThomThom wrote:

Him being rich on intimidating and ruin other people's careers and lives.

He's been accused of being an intimidating bully and ruining other peoples lives and careers. This brings up a couple of questions.

How exactly did he intimidate all these people. Threats of violence? I'll beat you up if you don't comply to my wishes?
Threatening them with lawyers? For what?

Of all the people that he intimidated / threatened, none of them stood up to him? They were all scared, weak willed people?

Did he have any accomplices in this intimidation(i.e. mafia like goons backing him up)? Or was it just him?

If it's all true why haven't we started to hear a flood of stories from the many pro's he's obviously threatened? Now that he's down and out(so to speak) I would think that all these people he's ruled with an iron fist would come out of the woodwork? Or are they all afraid that if they say anything that the media will put a microscope to their lives and maybe that wouldn't be the best of ideas?

I can't believe someone supposedly intelligent could make such a post and mean it. Read "seven deadly sins, my pursuit of Lance Armstrong" by David Walsh.

But you won't, you can't face the truth.

I'll read your book if you'll answer all my questions? "But you won't,...".

So, you've now discussed this man for a year without actually having read the material related to the subject?

I'm shocked to the bones.

It does, however, clarifies why you are constantly asking questions, pick the answers you like out and ignore the ones you don't.

Read some books and arcticles (I'm sure there are plenty in here who can guide you to which books are interesting on the matter) and let the accessible knowlegde overwhelm you.

dave_1

Vireque is in Festina adverts this year. Festina boosted sales 1998-99.
LA did no damage to USPS and USPS knew he doped by 2002.
I hope LA loses but I don't want Floyd to get any money
so I hope that is what happens

dennisn

Joelsim wrote:

He was extremely powerful and by all accounts it would appear that he got his way on pretty much everything, with a little help from his friends, and sneaky little payments to keep positive tests quiet etc etc.

David Walsh's book and Tyler Hamilton's book will answer all of those questions.

Can't argue that he was powerful, got his way, had help(maybe not from friends), and wouldn't doubt the sneaky payment thing. That's what cheaters do.
As for the Walsh book, the skeptic in me sees an author who is first and foremost trying to SELL a book. This is true of all authors. Get published. I most likely wouldn't believe everything in a book, confessing all, written by LA himself.
So, believing everything I read, especially a so called "tell all", is way down the list of reliable info for me. He didn't write the book to be be a prophet of the truth, he wrote it so it would sell. For me, that colors the truth a bit.

Frank the tank

dennisn wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

He was extremely powerful and by all accounts it would appear that he got his way on pretty much everything, with a little help from his friends, and sneaky little payments to keep positive tests quiet etc etc.

David Walsh's book and Tyler Hamilton's book will answer all of those questions.

Can't argue that he was powerful, got his way, had help(maybe not from friends), and wouldn't doubt the sneaky payment thing. That's what cheaters do.
As for the Walsh book, the skeptic in me sees an author who is first and foremost trying to SELL a book. This is true of all authors. Get published. I most likely wouldn't believe everything in a book, confessing all, written by LA himself.
So, believing everything I read, especially a so called "tell all", is way down the list of reliable info for me. He didn't write the book to be be a prophet of the truth, he wrote it so it would sell. For me, that colors the truth a bit.

Walsh's book is not his first on LA. Yes he obviously want's the book to sell but for him, I believe, it was a calling, to nail the truth about Armstrong in particular and drugs within sport generally. Whilst many have been guilty of doping etc Armstrong took the thing to a whole new level.
To say Walsh was only trying to sell his book does the man a great injustice his "pursuit of Armstrong" became all but an obsession and people within the cycling fraternity IMHO owe the man a debt of gratitude. Morality wise he is everything your hero is not.