Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

deejay

dennisn wrote:

In any case the media doesn't cover everything, all the time. After all you looked in USA Today. If you had wanted to know about baseball. NFL football, basketball, hockey, Nascar, or golf you can really get flooded about it from USA Today. Key word there is USA.

Those are of course are your own little games and now with the internet you have found what the rest of the world do for "Sport".
I said "I found it" but only in that paper but I had checked in several "National" and local papers.

deejay

Frank the tank wrote:

I assume when you say football you're referring to that grid-iron sh1t as opposed to proper football.

Off Topic reply
I wouldn't knock it because you don't understand it and they don't carry passengers at any level with a lot of technique by coaching staff before every move.
I've never been to a premier sh1t game and just pop along to Football League games these days to see real soccer being played.
Premier from what I've seen is tippy tappy triangular passing that has produced a record breaker like Mrs Beckham who would never have lasted against Don Revie's Leeds United.
It all looks like the old Arsenal of Bertie Mee and his nil, nil. for entertainment. Yawn

Rundfahrt

deejay wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I assume when you say football you're referring to that grid-iron sh1t as opposed to proper football.

Off Topic reply
I wouldn't knock it because you don't understand it and they don't carry passengers at any level with a lot of technique by coaching staff before every move.
I've never been to a premier sh1t game and just pop along to Football League games these days to see real soccer being played.
Premier from what I've seen is tippy tappy triangular passing that has produced a record breaker like Mrs Beckham who would never have lasted against Don Revie's Leeds United.
It all looks like the old Arsenal of Bertie Mee and his nil, nil. for entertainment. Yawn

How old are you? Not disparaging you, I just wonder after seeing this "this players wouldn't have lasted a minute back in my day when we walked to school barefoot, in the snow, 10 miles, uphill, both ways" rant.

dennisn

Frank the tank wrote:

I assume when you say football you're referring to that grid-iron sh1t as opposed to proper football.

To be honest I've never been all that interested in much of any kind or brand of "football". Although some years back my wife and I did follow Aussie Rules Football quite religiously. Great game to watch, even though I'm not sure I ever fully understood it. Seems to have vanished from ESPN 3 or 4 years ago. Either that or I don't get the channel it's on.

dennisn

deejay wrote:

dennisn wrote:

In any case the media doesn't cover everything, all the time. After all you looked in USA Today. If you had wanted to know about baseball. NFL football, basketball, hockey, Nascar, or golf you can really get flooded about it from USA Today. Key word there is USA.

I said "I found it" but only in that paper but I had checked in several "National" and local papers.

I thought you sounded like you were a bit p*ssed off because all you found was a small blurb instead of pages of details. :oops:

Frank the tank

deejay wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I assume when you say football you're referring to that grid-iron sh1t as opposed to proper football.

Off Topic reply
I wouldn't knock it because you don't understand it and they don't carry passengers at any level with a lot of technique by coaching staff before every move.
I've never been to a premier sh1t game and just pop along to Football League games these days to see real soccer being played.
Premier from what I've seen is tippy tappy triangular passing that has produced a record breaker like Mrs Beckham who would never have lasted against Don Revie's Leeds United.
It all looks like the old Arsenal of Bertie Mee and his nil, nil. for entertainment. Yawn

I don't watch a deal of premiersh1t and I'm not belittling grid-iron (as a sport) I happen to believe there is only one type of FOOTBALL and that is FA rules football. Dennisn even refered to Australian rules football FFS he may aswell as referred to gaelic football.
BTW I do understand grid-iron. I could argue the game requires very little thought to play other than the ability of players to be fit enough to fulfill their given specific task and ability to remember pre-planned moves. As you say technique and coaching before EVERY MOVE. The players don't have to think spontainiously for themselves just to behave like none thinking automotons.

dennisn

Frank the tank wrote:

deejay wrote:

Frank the tank wrote:

I assume when you say football you're referring to that grid-iron sh1t as opposed to proper football.

Off Topic reply
I wouldn't knock it because you don't understand it and they don't carry passengers at any level with a lot of technique by coaching staff before every move.
I've never been to a premier sh1t game and just pop along to Football League games these days to see real soccer being played.
Premier from what I've seen is tippy tappy triangular passing that has produced a record breaker like Mrs Beckham who would never have lasted against Don Revie's Leeds United.
It all looks like the old Arsenal of Bertie Mee and his nil, nil. for entertainment. Yawn

Dennisn even refered to Australian rules football FFS he may aswell as referred to gaelic football.

In my defense you have to remember that I'm "over here" and you're "over there".
Gaelic football? Not a clue. In any case I'm not even sure I understood Aussie Rules football in the few years that I followed it. Hell, the guys with the flags had me confused for a little while.

deejay

dennisn wrote:

deejay wrote:

I said "I found it" but only in that paper but I had checked in several "National" and local papers.

I thought you sounded like you were a bit p*ssed off because all you found was a small blurb instead of pages of details. :oops:

Certainly was pissed (google spell check) as I thought I was in a civilised country that knew something about world events.
With that experience I have learned the US is a very, very inward looking country and only the internet and maybe (God forgive) the BBC can educate them if only they care to look. That you proclaim the NFL Superbowl Champions to be World Champions. When in fact they are only champions of 32 teams in the United States and not in a world wide competition.
The only worldwide issues to be found in the media, are US military ones and as you say that News and Sports news are confined to US matters.
Hence this thread keeps moving because there are so many inside the Fortress that cannot admit their "Winner" is a Lying Fraud & Scumbag.
I too now use the internet for world wide News and other sports (Including Cycling) (sorry Bicycle Races) while visiting Uncle Sam.

deejay

deejay wrote:

that has produced a record breaker like Mrs Beckham who would never have lasted against Don Revie's Leeds United.

Rundfahrt wrote:

How old are you? Not disparaging you, I just wonder after seeing this "this players wouldn't have lasted a minute back in my day when we walked to school barefoot, in the snow, 10 miles, uphill, both ways" rant.

How about being at Wembley with me mam and watched the FA Cup Leeds 2 - Chelsea 2 Draw and then the Chelsea win at Old Trafford. :roll:

dennisn

deejay wrote:

dennisn wrote:

deejay wrote:

I said "I found it" but only in that paper but I had checked in several "National" and local papers.

I thought you sounded like you were a bit p*ssed off because all you found was a small blurb instead of pages of details. :oops:

Hence this thread keeps moving because there are so many inside the Fortress that cannot admit their "Winner" is a Lying Fraud & Scumbag.

Have to disagree that "....this thread keeps..... cannot admit.......". In case you hadn't noticed there is basically zero support for LA on this forum / thread. Also, most of the posters are from "over there". Can't recall very many posts from
inside the "fortress"(over here). You don't give yourself enough credit. To me it appears that hate, jealously, rage, etc. from your side of the pond is what's pushed this thread to almost 300 pages. A few other Americans and myself chip in where we can but don't do much in the way of defending him.

I would also question your idea that Americans can't admit that he's a "lying.......". Everyone over here knows the story and while a few may choose to support him I can't seem to find anyone who's in denial about it all. I haven't talked to anyone at all who seems to be in a fit of rage about it, like yourself. Give yourself a break and do what to OP said. "All done. Move on folks."

salsiccia1

The thread that refuses to die...

Paul 8v

Salsiccia1 wrote:

The thread that refuses to die...

I haven't been on here for a few months and came back to find it still going! It's over everyone, he's confessed, what else is there to say?

ddraver

I don't know wheather I admire or pity dennis to be honest, I ve never known anyone keep bashing out the exact same post, in defiance of all logic, reaon and reality for so long. 300 pages and 9 months!! Plus I'd hazard a guess that the post has been on 99% of those 300 pages.

Hell I mean even Rundy and Trev only tend to last a few days!

Paul 8v

Is he some sort of android?

ddraver

would explain a lot but I don't know how one would program something so irrational....

dennisn

Paul 8v wrote:

Is he some sort of android?

No, it's quite simple really. This is a Lance slamming / bashing thread. All sorts of things are said about him and he's called every name in the book, and then some. Now, when I come on and say that I think these people are childish celeb stalkers who live vicariously through these so called heroes of theirs, well, all of a sudden it's "how dare I say that about them". I think it's only fair.

deejay

This should fit quite nicely after that last post by dennis.

dennisn wrote:

Have to disagree that "....this thread keeps..... cannot admit.......". In case you hadn't noticed there is basically zero support for LA on this forum / thread. Also, most of the posters are from "over there". Can't recall very many posts from inside the "fortress"(over here). You don't give yourself enough credit. To me it appears that hate, jealously, rage, etc. from your side of the pond is what's pushed this thread to almost 300 pages. A few other Americans and myself chip in where we can but don't do much in the way of defending him.

Your posts are called "Wind Up's" and yes you and your fellow fanboys have kept this thread groaning along far too long and I can't help taka da pliss so here's some more.

dennisn wrote:

70's, early 80's. It wasn't unknown over here. There were more than a few guys back then who followed Euro racing and wore all the gear.

What, like this. ?

7-Eleven Cycling Team. In 1985, Ochowitz changed the men's team's status to professional. The team went to Europe with an initial roster of members including Olympic gold medalists Alexi Grewal and Heiden, Olympic bronze medalists Phinney and Kiefel, Bradley, Schuler, Hayman, Stieda, and Chris Carmichael. When the team received an invitation to the 1985 Giro d'Italia, one of the Grand Tours of Europe, a young American cyclist based in Europe named Andy Hampsten was added to the team under a 30-day contract for the race. After both Kiefel and Hampsten stunningly won stages during the Giro, becoming the first American stage winners ever at a Grand Tour, 7-Eleven was invited to the 1986 Tour de France and became one of the major cycling teams for the next decade till 1990 and then Motorola through 1996. Ochowicz disbanded the team after the 1996 season, when Motorola decided to discontinue sponsorship. 7-Eleven was responsible for an overall increase in bike racing interest in the U.S. The team claimed a win in a Grand Tour, when Andy Hampsten won the overall (maglia rosa) as well as the mountains championship at the 1988 Giro d'Italia (Tour of Italy).

So 18 years later, Bicycling is still only an Olympic Sport except when I was asked. "Is there any other race" which means that the TDF had penetrated the Fortress. (but not Hamsten's Giro)
Ochowicz brought Armstrong to Europe in 1992 with a big fanfare about how good he would be.

dennisn wrote:

I would also question your idea that Americans can't admit that he's a "lying.......". Everyone over here knows the story and while a few may choose to support him I can't seem to find anyone who's in denial about it all.

There you go again, I was referring to the Idiots inside the United States but I'm sure the Canadians, Mexicans, (North Americans) and Brazilians and Argentinians (South Americans) over there do know what a scumbag he is

dennisn

deejay wrote:

Your posts are called "Wind Up's" and yes you and your fellow fanboys have kept this thread groaning along far too long........

Just who are these "fellow fanboys" you mention. I can think think of one or two but you seem to feel that there are whole lots of us on this particular thread. :? :?

No_Ta_Doctor

There is nothing more this thread can squeeze out. Nothing. Please, please stop.

dave_1

No tA Doctor wrote:

There is nothing more this thread can squeeze out. Nothing. Please, please stop.

if it is relevant...its okay....I see LA sold his house for $3 million...what is that about?
If he is worth $125 million then wonder what the sale is about?

andyp

It's a lot easier to hide $3 million than it is a house.

dave_1

andyp wrote:

It's a lot easier to hide $3 million than it is a house.

yes, looks like he knows the baliffs could be calling. Guess his bikeshop will
go for sale too. Wonder if he is just putting his
fortune beyond reach of the law or is he in financial
difficulty with the lawsuits. If he has $125 million..I wonder
where it is?

dennisn

Dave_1 wrote:

andyp wrote:

It's a lot easier to hide $3 million than it is a house.

yes, looks like he knows the baliffs could be calling. Guess his bikeshop will
go for sale too. Wonder if he is just putting his
fortune beyond reach of the law or is he in financial
difficulty with the lawsuits. If he has $125 million..I wonder
where it is?

I don't see the sale of anything he owns as a way to "hide" money. Way too simplistic of a view. If you or I owe someone money, for whatever reason, that person is more than likely to get that money whether we sell all our stuff or not. "Hiding" money, after the fact, is not something that usually works. Unless, of course, you decide to "skip" with all of it and live somewhere that local and national laws can't touch you.

Is he in financial difficulty? I couldn't say. He doesn't confide in me. I will bet that every time he sees his bank statements that the majority of outgoing money is to law firms. And that doesn't set well with anyone.

As I recall there is an old Spanish? curse that might apply here. "May your life be filled with lawyers".

Le Commentateur

Well, his "comeback" was after the credit crunch, if that's evidence of his or his backers' plight at the time. It'll be interesting to see if he actually continues living in the property for a while, perhaps renting it at a token price perhaps?

Being "worth" $125m isn't the same as having that amount in the bank or wherever.

NervexProf

Leeterman on Armstrong - funny conclusion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... BgCslvv4lk

mfin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=snLWkqWLY1g#!

...that makes up for the unfunny letterman vid

ddraver

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/two-arm ... e-uci-says

UCI have wriggled out of that one then....

Paul 8v

Haha, so corrupt. I love the idea that a serial doper was donating to combat drugs. When will they get rid of McQuaid, surely everyone can see he has absolutely no credibility any more?

thomthom

ddraver wrote:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/two-armstrong-doping-controls-at-2001-tour-de-suisse-suspicious-but-not-positive-uci-says

UCI have wriggled out of that one then....

I wonder if they called Lance up for a meeting as well like they did with Tyler.

'You are too good at the moment, Lance..'

deejay

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... -1999-tour

UCI concluded tests showed no systematic doping use

Lance Armstrong tested postiive for corticosteroids four times during the 1999 Tour de France, not just once as previously reported. An internal UCI memo shows the four positive as occurring on July 4, 14, 15 and 21, according to Het Nieuwsblad.

All of the doping controls are said to have shown "traces" of triamcinolone acetonide.

At the time, Armstrong produced a supposedly back-dated TUE which allowed him to use the corticosteroid for a saddle sore. In his doping confession earlier this year he admitted to having illegally used the product. The TUE had been prepared by team doctor Luis Garcia Del Moral, who has also been named in the Armstrong doping case.