Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

Richmond Racer

Amen to that, Nick

If there is to be any reducution is his life ban, Tygart isnt going to be satisfied with Lance offering up tiddly, small fry.

I dont think Lance would offer up Hein, somehow - too much knowledge on both sides of money flows and where the bodies are buried.

Perhaps...Och? Steve Johnson and other senior peeps in USA Cycling? Even...Bruyneel?

Richmond Racer

Swiss lab man Saugy's holding a news conf today

cornerblock

What Lance definitely shouldn't do is copy any of Oprah's previous interviewees...

LangerDan

Richmond Racer wrote:

Swiss lab man Saugy's holding a news conf today

Pre-emptive strike?

Richmond Racer

LangerDan wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Swiss lab man Saugy's holding a news conf today

Pre-emptive strike?

Yeah, maybe. I just cant see it being a flat 'I did not have inhale'. This is the head of USADA who's gone on public record with what (he says) Saugy told him, not some athlete who Saugy could claim was telling a lie to save his skin or whatever.

LangerDan

sherer wrote:

lest face it with the programme being recorded in advance anything LA doesn't like can just be cut. As far s I know Oprah isn't a cycling fan and so there will have to be researchers that come up with the questions and if that happens then i'm sure LA will know what they are in advance, maybe even Fabiani has already written the questions and fed them to Oprah

Winfrey is far more powerful, influential (and richer) than LA - whatever else happens, he's not in a position to bully her just because the questions don't suit him.

However, given her long-time philanthropic activities, I'd expect him to play the cancer jesus card quite strongly.

Richmond Racer

LangerDan wrote:

sherer wrote:

lest face it with the programme being recorded in advance anything LA doesn't like can just be cut. As far s I know Oprah isn't a cycling fan and so there will have to be researchers that come up with the questions and if that happens then i'm sure LA will know what they are in advance, maybe even Fabiani has already written the questions and fed them to Oprah

Winfrey is far more powerful, influential (and richer) than LA - whatever else happens, he's not in a position to bully her just because the questions don't suit him.

However, given her long-time philanthropic activities, I'd expect him to play the cancer jesus card quite strongly.

Ach, she doesnt give a toot . Her network is ailing, and its an exclusive for her to bump up figures through the roof - and it will be viewable globally, and make the front page of most papers across the world. Publicity as oxygen.

Pross

The best way to turn the US public against him would probably be to play on his aetheism rather than the PED angle. I can't imagine that going down too well with Oprah's viewers. Conversely the best way for him to win support would be to mention how all this has helped him find God and he can then just keep denying the drug taking.

Yellow Peril

Pross wrote:

The best way to turn the US public against him would probably be to play on his aetheism rather than the PED angle. I can't imagine that going down too well with Oprah's viewers. Conversely the best way for him to win support would be to mention how all this has helped him find God and he can then just keep denying the drug taking.

Stroke of genius^

Pross you are really Lance's lawyer and I claim my £5!

Stedman

What has recently surprised me is that whilst there is no statute of limitation for perjury in the UK, there is in Texas!

Pross

Yellow Peril wrote:

Pross wrote:

The best way to turn the US public against him would probably be to play on his aetheism rather than the PED angle. I can't imagine that going down too well with Oprah's viewers. Conversely the best way for him to win support would be to mention how all this has helped him find God and he can then just keep denying the drug taking.

Stroke of genius^

Pross you are really Lance's lawyer and I claim my £5!

Wish I was, I'd happily give you £5 of my millions!

TheStone

Is anyone else a bit surprised that Oprah is still going?

cornerblock

She's never tested positive.

Richmond Racer

well, there was a rumour of a cover-up involving the lab in Salt Lake City after she smashed it up Mount Baldy

cornerblock

Ahh, but look at all the fine work she does through The Oprah Winfrey Foundation.

Richmond Racer

I actually think the Oprah Winfrey Book Club is the main front for the massive doping ring headed up by her personally. She never recommended any of Walsh's books or Rough Ride for Book of the Month after all. Says everything.

Nick Fitt

Cornerblock wrote:

She's never tested positive.

Ah, unfortunately she has admitted Freebasing though. This was the forerunner to crack apparently...

"‘Before crack was crack’
Always candid, in the past Oprah has divulged painfully private secrets for the first time on-air and she told Billy about the hardest one. "Years ago I had a woman on my show who was talking about drugs and how she was addicted to her boyfriend and I had used drugs in my 20s with this boyfriend and I was more addicted to the boyfriend than I was to the drugs," she revealed. "So the admission to using drugs on television was the biggest thing."

"It was crack, right?" Billy asked.

"Yeah, well it wasn't called crack at the time. It was called freebasing. It was before crack was crack," she admitted.

But drugs weren't the only issue Oprah was forced to publicly confront...."

Isnt Google incredible? http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/9996876/n ... PAU-nfDWwc

Therefore, she and LA are soul mates, this is going to be farking fantastic in a crazy car crash kinda way ;-)

Richmond Racer

Brian Cookson worried that Armstrong's going to try to justify himself by claiming that its impossible to win the Tour clean, and thereby tainting Bradders

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... ak-silence


He's going to say that all pros dope, isnt he..

dennisn

Nick Fitt wrote:

Cornerblock wrote:

She's never tested positive.

Ah, unfortunately she has admitted Freebasing though. This was the forerunner to crack apparently...

"‘Before crack was crack’
Always candid, in the past Oprah has divulged painfully private secrets for the first time on-air and she told Billy about the hardest one. "Years ago I had a woman on my show who was talking about drugs and how she was addicted to her boyfriend and I had used drugs in my 20s with this boyfriend and I was more addicted to the boyfriend than I was to the drugs," she revealed. "So the admission to using drugs on television was the biggest thing."

"It was crack, right?" Billy asked.

"Yeah, well it wasn't called crack at the time. It was called freebasing. It was before crack was crack," she admitted.

But drugs weren't the only issue Oprah was forced to publicly confront...."

Isnt Google incredible? http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/9996876/n ... PAU-nfDWwc

Therefore, she and LA are soul mates, this is going to be farking fantastic in a crazy car crash kinda way ;-)

I'm thinking that Oprah would admit to just about anything if she thought that it would elicit sympathy, for her, from her audience. Watch the show sometime. She's a survivor of EVERYTHING. And that's part of her great appeal.

iainf72

Oh dear, it sounds like Lance's lawyers have quit

dennisn

Dave_1 wrote:

all done. Move on folks. Joke of a sport

All done. Move on. - Couldn't agree more. Still as true today as when you first said it.

Joke of a sport. - Can't agree, at all, with that. Because some people cheat at a sport doesn't make the sport itself bad. C'mon, it's bike racing. What's wrong with racing bicycles? :? I just don't see how you can put forth the idea that, because someone cheated at a sport, that that somehow taints the idea of the sport itself. The sport is not responsible for people cheating, people are responsible for people cheating. People cheat at Monopoly but that doesn't make Monopoly an evil thing.

deejay

dennisn wrote:

deejay wrote:

Not like some on this forum who still love their fanboy.

From Texas Monthly wrote:

And then, the inevitable crash of reality. The string of rumors that stuck to his cycling cleats eventually pulled the fabric of his legend apart and we were left with nothing more than what appeared to be a just another greedy, lying,intimidating bully who didn’t care what or who stood in the way of him getting his. Truly heartbreaking for those who wanted to believe that he could be a clean champion in a dark age of doping.

I don't read much fanboy into the Texas Monthly thing. Sounds more like a realistic view. Or did I take your intent wrongly?

It was meant for the digestion of the fanboys who still need their Hearts broken.
A realistic comment coming from a Texas magazine that might just about penetrate their thick skulls. (especially the scottish nit)

Bakunin

dennisn wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

all done. Move on folks. Joke of a sport

All done. Move on. - Couldn't agree more. Still as true today as when you first said it.

Joke of a sport. - Can't agree, at all, with that. Because some people cheat at a sport doesn't make the sport itself bad. C'mon, it's bike racing. What's wrong with racing bicycles? :? I just don't see how you can put forth the idea that, because someone cheated at a sport, that that somehow taints the idea of the sport itself. The sport is not responsible for people cheating, people are responsible for people cheating. People cheat at Monopoly but that doesn't make Monopoly an evil thing.

The people who have cheated have made it a joke. It is professional wrestling on wheels. It has no credibility at all. It is something to laugh at, it is very hard to take seriously. Shame.

I want my kids to ride bikes, I'd rather they race something else.

rockmount

Dave_1 wrote:

Tygart alluded to having met Lance Armstrong and WADA said there is precedent to reopen cases. In my opinion the banned for life thing will be undone ....

Anything's possible .. Saint David to run WADA, Bertie to do the treble, and Vino to defend his Olympic title .. who knows ?

dennisn

Bakunin wrote:

dennisn wrote:

Dave_1 wrote:

all done. Move on folks. Joke of a sport

All done. Move on. - Couldn't agree more. Still as true today as when you first said it.

Joke of a sport. - Can't agree, at all, with that. Because some people cheat at a sport doesn't make the sport itself bad. C'mon, it's bike racing. What's wrong with racing bicycles? :? I just don't see how you can put forth the idea that, because someone cheated at a sport, that that somehow taints the idea of the sport itself. The sport is not responsible for people cheating, people are responsible for people cheating. People cheat at Monopoly but that doesn't make Monopoly an evil thing.

The people who have cheated have made it a joke. It is professional wrestling on wheels. It has no credibility at all. It is something to laugh at, it is very hard to take seriously. Shame.

I want my kids to ride bikes, I'd rather they race something else.

Cheating is in all sports and games. Because Marion Jones or Ben Johnson cheated at track and field you don't want your kids to compete in anything like that? Using that kind of thinking doesn't sound very encouraging for your kids in sports.

sherer

Richmond Racer wrote:

Brian Cookson worried that Armstrong's going to try to justify himself by claiming that its impossible to win the Tour clean, and thereby tainting Bradders

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... ak-silence


He's going to say that all pros dope, isnt he..

Apparently LA rang up Lemond and said the same to him that he couldn't have won the tour clean as that wasn't possible. Lemond eventually told him he didn't know what he was talking about and hung up. Says a lot about LA and his views on drugs which rumour has his entire career has been based on

dennisn

sherer wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Brian Cookson worried that Armstrong's going to try to justify himself by claiming that its impossible to win the Tour clean, and thereby tainting Bradders

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... ak-silence


He's going to say that all pros dope, isnt he..

Apparently LA rang up Lemond and said the same to him that he couldn't have won the tour clean as that wasn't possible. Lemond eventually told him he didn't know what he was talking about and hung up.

If true, do you really think that Lemond, or anyone, is so stupid as to not know what someone is talking about? Especially about drugs?

You call me and tell me you can't compete without drugs and I answer "huh, I don't understand what your saying". Please, I think Greg might take offence at you basically calling him an idiot.

rob churchill

dennisn wrote:

sherer wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Brian Cookson worried that Armstrong's going to try to justify himself by claiming that its impossible to win the Tour clean, and thereby tainting Bradders

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... ak-silence


He's going to say that all pros dope, isnt he..

Apparently LA rang up Lemond and said the same to him that he couldn't have won the tour clean as that wasn't possible. Lemond eventually told him he didn't know what he was talking about and hung up.

If true, do you really think that Lemond, or anyone, is so stupid as to not know what someone is talking about? Especially about drugs?

You call me and tell me you can't compete without drugs and I answer "huh, I don't understand what your saying". Please, I think Greg might take offence at you basically calling him an idiot.

"I don't know what you're talking about" can have the sense of "you're talking nonsense", at least this side of the Atlantic. But I suspect what was meant was that Lemond said to Armstrong "You don't know what you're talking about".

sherer

dennisn wrote:

sherer wrote:

Richmond Racer wrote:

Brian Cookson worried that Armstrong's going to try to justify himself by claiming that its impossible to win the Tour clean, and thereby tainting Bradders

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... ak-silence


He's going to say that all pros dope, isnt he..

Apparently LA rang up Lemond and said the same to him that he couldn't have won the tour clean as that wasn't possible. Lemond eventually told him he didn't know what he was talking about and hung up.

If true, do you really think that Lemond, or anyone, is so stupid as to not know what someone is talking about? Especially about drugs?

You call me and tell me you can't compete without drugs and I answer "huh, I don't understand what your saying". Please, I think Greg might take offence at you basically calling him an idiot.

Once again you totally see the wrong side of what someone was saying. Lemond called LA an idiot for not understanding that the tour can be won clean as that is what Lemond did

pomtarr

Gazzetta67 wrote:

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/news/15264/8387620/

Millar thinks the Oprah thing will be "Stage Managed"

Armstrong's 1st answer along the lines of ..... A BIG boy made me do it and ran away 8)

Where were Millar's comments from? I saw them repeated on the BBC, Guardian and Sky Sports websites, but no source...