Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ThomThom wrote:
    I wonder if Oprah will ask him how he has dodged a jail sentence for so long.

    I can answer that for you. He hasn't been sent to trial for anything that requires jail time. What do you believe he has done to warrant jail time? :?
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    I wonder if Oprah will ask him how he has dodged a jail sentence for so long.

    I can answer that for you. He hasn't been sent to trial for anything that requires jail time. What do you believe he has done to warrant jail time? :?
    Perjury for one as well as using tax payers money to fund is drugs.

    The money paid to Ferrari for the drugs hasn't had tax paid on it is illegal somewhere down the line, although those charges are more for Ferrari than LA
  • Bakunin
    Bakunin Posts: 868
    Oprah's never exercised a day in her life. I doubt she knows how many wheels a bike has.

    This is going to be pure comedy gold.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    I wonder if Oprah will ask him how he has dodged a jail sentence for so long.

    I can answer that for you. He hasn't been sent to trial for anything that requires jail time. What do you believe he has done to warrant jail time? :?

    Just a bit of perjury and the personal threats (death threats included).. Nothing serious.. :roll:
  • k-dog
    k-dog Posts: 1,652
    She's clearly had problems with her weight but that's a bit harsh.

    Here she is after completing a marathon in something like 4:30.

    oprah-winfrey.jpg
    I'm left handed, if that matters.
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Bakunin wrote:
    Oprah's never exercised a day in her life. I doubt she knows how many wheels a bike has.

    You didn't think Oprah was a random pick, did you? lance is a cunning little fella.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    sherer wrote:
    as well as using tax payers money to fund is drugs.
    That didn't happen. Once the money got paid to the team, it ceased to be tax payers' money. Just as once a civil servant is paid his wages it is his money, not the government's.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    I reckon he will admit to doping in every one of those TDFs and name some names but be light on specifics. I don't expect him to be contrite. He doesn't strike me as a loyal sort of person so expect a load will get thrown under the bus as spreads responsibility far and wide
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • rob churchill
    rob churchill Posts: 272
    RichN95 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    as well as using tax payers money to fund is drugs.
    That didn't happen. Once the money got paid to the team, it ceased to be tax payers' money. Just as once a civil servant is paid his wages it is his money, not the government's.

    Can't source it, but I have read somewhere that not doping was a contractual condition of the USPS sponsorship.
    I have a policy of only posting comment on the internet under my real name. This is to moderate my natural instinct to flame your fatuous, ill-informed, irrational, credulous, bigoted, semi-literate opinions to carbon, you knuckle-dragging f***wits.
  • rob churchill
    rob churchill Posts: 272
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    I wonder if Oprah will ask him how he has dodged a jail sentence for so long.

    I can answer that for you. He hasn't been sent to trial for anything that requires jail time. What do you believe he has done to warrant jail time? :?

    Further to previous answers, the TdF is not run in the USA. In some of the countries in which it is run, doping is a criminal offence under laws against 'sporting fraud'.
    I have a policy of only posting comment on the internet under my real name. This is to moderate my natural instinct to flame your fatuous, ill-informed, irrational, credulous, bigoted, semi-literate opinions to carbon, you knuckle-dragging f***wits.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ThomThom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    I wonder if Oprah will ask him how he has dodged a jail sentence for so long.

    I can answer that for you. He hasn't been sent to trial for anything that requires jail time. What do you believe he has done to warrant jail time? :?

    Just a bit of perjury and the personal threats (death threats included).. Nothing serious.. :roll:

    If true and you can prove it then you should take action to help bring him to justice. It's actually your duty to do so, but this is a forum and not a court of law. No action will ever come of all this banter. Go to the authorities with your evidence. That's the way things get accomplished. You dream of seeing him in jail? Work toward that goal. I just doubt you'll find any evidence here or floating around on other forums. Speculation and more questions is all that's here.
    I have no problem with anyone being made to answer for crimes committed.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    edited January 2013
    ThomThom wrote:
    Bakunin wrote:
    Oprah's never exercised a day in her life. I doubt she knows how many wheels a bike has.

    You didn't think Oprah was a random pick, did you? lance is a cunning little fella.

    I'm thinking this is more of an Oprah idea. Even if nothing of substance gets discussed or no confession is forthcoming it's basically a win win for both. She gets what I'm sure will be a very highly rated show and that's her win. LA gets sort of absolved by her as she always forgives everyone(she's very magnanimous in that respect - bestowing forgiveness) and that's the win for LA. Although it seems to be a kind of prerequisite that all people seeking her blessing must shed a tear or two. Sniff, sniff break out the hankies.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    I think for Lance a stretch at Texas State Penitentiary will eventually win him some smypathy...definitely can make a come back after that
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    rob churchill wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    as well as using tax payers money to fund is drugs.
    That didn't happen. Once the money got paid to the team, it ceased to be tax payers' money. Just as once a civil servant is paid his wages it is his money, not the government's.

    Can't source it, but I have read somewhere that not doping was a contractual condition of the USPS sponsorship.

    Exactly. A civil servant doesn't have a contract stating what he can and can't spend his money on, the USPS team did
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    iainf72 wrote:
    Am I the only one who doesn't care? If he admits it, it will only be to benefit himself.

    I agree, Lance is fundamentally selfish.

    Betsy thinks its all him also:
    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13667 ... Lance.aspx
    Contador is the Greatest
  • Nick Fitt
    Nick Fitt Posts: 381
    I am certain Lance wont do/say anything that will put himself in jail. I reckon his Lawyers will have sketched out what his route plan to forgiveness/publicly/legally perceived innocence is though and this is the opening shot.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    sherer wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    as well as using tax payers money to fund is drugs.
    That didn't happen. Once the money got paid to the team, it ceased to be tax payers' money. Just as once a civil servant is paid his wages it is his money, not the government's.

    Can't source it, but I have read somewhere that not doping was a contractual condition of the USPS sponsorship.

    Exactly. A civil servant doesn't have a contract stating what he can and can't spend his money on, the USPS team did

    Even if they did, that's breach of contract which isn't a criminal offence as far as I know.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    I wonder if Oprah will ask him how he has dodged a jail sentence for so long.

    I can answer that for you. He hasn't been sent to trial for anything that requires jail time. What do you believe he has done to warrant jail time? :?

    Just a bit of perjury and the personal threats (death threats included).. Nothing serious.. :roll:

    If true and you can prove it then you should take action to help bring him to justice. It's actually your duty to do so, but this is a forum and not a court of law. No action will ever come of all this banter. Go to the authorities with your evidence. That's the way things get accomplished. You dream of seeing him in jail? Work toward that goal. I just doubt you'll find any evidence here or floating around on other forums. Speculation and more questions is all that's here.
    I have no problem with anyone being made to answer for crimes committed.

    Is this genuine? Anyone?...
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    sherer wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    as well as using tax payers money to fund is drugs.
    That didn't happen. Once the money got paid to the team, it ceased to be tax payers' money. Just as once a civil servant is paid his wages it is his money, not the government's.

    Can't source it, but I have read somewhere that not doping was a contractual condition of the USPS sponsorship.

    Exactly. A civil servant doesn't have a contract stating what he can and can't spend his money on, the USPS team did

    It could also be argued that USPS were main sponsors so the riders were in effect promoting there brand. So they were cheating in the name of USPS.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    mike6 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    rob churchill wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    as well as using tax payers money to fund is drugs.
    That didn't happen. Once the money got paid to the team, it ceased to be tax payers' money. Just as once a civil servant is paid his wages it is his money, not the government's.

    Can't source it, but I have read somewhere that not doping was a contractual condition of the USPS sponsorship.

    Exactly. A civil servant doesn't have a contract stating what he can and can't spend his money on, the USPS team did

    It could also be argued that USPS were main sponsors so the riders were in effect promoting there brand. So they were cheating in the name of USPS.

    So, if all this is true why isn't he in jail?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,464
    RichN95 wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:

    Paging RichN95:

    While you may not be interested in watching it (I won't be, given the time slot) can you not knock us up a few Lance/Oprah quote bingo cards?

    Cheers.

    Fortunately, Ladbrokes have done the heavy lifting for us. They're offering odds on him saying various things. Just randomly pick 25 and put them in a 5x5 grid and you're good to go.

    http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... rview.html

    Some decent odds on there but 'sorry' at 1/4 doesn't seem good value, I'd have thought 100/1 would be more like it for that one. 'Never Tested Positive' at evens looks a particularly good way to double your money.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,439
    David Walsh to be on Radio 2 with Jeremy Vine this afternoon.

    Not sure if I can listen to Jeremy Vine though....


    (On the trailer the emphasis seemed to be on the contrast of his evil deeds of cheating versus the 'good' works of his cancer charity)
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ThomThom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    I wonder if Oprah will ask him how he has dodged a jail sentence for so long.

    I can answer that for you. He hasn't been sent to trial for anything that requires jail time. What do you believe he has done to warrant jail time? :?

    Just a bit of perjury and the personal threats (death threats included).. Nothing serious.. :roll:

    If true and you can prove it then you should take action to help bring him to justice. It's actually your duty to do so, but this is a forum and not a court of law. No action will ever come of all this banter. Go to the authorities with your evidence. That's the way things get accomplished. You dream of seeing him in jail? Work toward that goal. I just doubt you'll find any evidence here or floating around on other forums. Speculation and more questions is all that's here.
    I have no problem with anyone being made to answer for crimes committed.

    Is this genuine? Anyone?...

    Sure it's genuine. Can you yourself or even anyone you know prove anything, anything at all, against LA, in a court of law? If you can't then leave it to the people who are able and willing. You're just another voice in the crowd screaming for whatever brand or justice you think is the way to go. Nothing you say will accomplish anything toward your goal of "head on a pike". Hmmmmmm, I like that saying.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    sigh...dennis, its an accepted fact that he committed perjury in the case against SCA - a criminal offence in your neck of the words, I believe?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Am I the only one who doesn't care? If he admits it, it will only be to benefit himself.

    I agree, Lance is fundamentally selfish.

    I agree also. Brings up two questions though.
    What's wrong with being selfish? Serious question.
    Who else, but LA, could possibly benefit from him confessing? i.e. how would you or I or anyone benefit? OK, maybe Oprah might, as far as ratings go.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,464
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    ThomThom wrote:
    I wonder if Oprah will ask him how he has dodged a jail sentence for so long.

    I can answer that for you. He hasn't been sent to trial for anything that requires jail time. What do you believe he has done to warrant jail time? :?

    Just a bit of perjury and the personal threats (death threats included).. Nothing serious.. :roll:

    If true and you can prove it then you should take action to help bring him to justice. It's actually your duty to do so, but this is a forum and not a court of law. No action will ever come of all this banter. Go to the authorities with your evidence. That's the way things get accomplished. You dream of seeing him in jail? Work toward that goal. I just doubt you'll find any evidence here or floating around on other forums. Speculation and more questions is all that's here.
    I have no problem with anyone being made to answer for crimes committed.

    Dennis, you are aware that he stated under oath that he had never taken performance enhancing drugs aren't you? The two things that have presumably kept him clear of a criminal court so far as far as I can work out are:-

    a) Whether the evidence used in finding him guilty of doping in the world of sport would be sufficient in a criminal court.
    b) Whether it is outside the statute of limitations due to how long ago he made that statement under oath (I've read differing opinions on this, some say the statute applies from the date a perjury was committed and others that it is from the date the person was found to have committed that perjury).

    As one of these two issues relates to the burden of proof I am still sceptical that he will admit to doping on TV unless he has already secured some form of agreement that he won't be prosecuted in a criminal court. However, there's a bit of a conundrum in trying to secure that agreement as you effectively have to say "I'm prepared to admit I doped but only if you agree to let me off" and in saying that you are already confessing that you doped!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,464
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Am I the only one who doesn't care? If he admits it, it will only be to benefit himself.

    I agree, Lance is fundamentally selfish.

    I agree also. Brings up two questions though.
    What's wrong with being selfish? Serious question.
    Who else, but LA, could possibly benefit from him confessing? i.e. how would you or I or anyone benefit? OK, maybe Oprah might, as far as ratings go.

    Those who have been calling him out as a doper will benefit from being able to say "told you so" once and for all to those who still believe he didn't cheat and is the victim of a witch hunt :wink:
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    sigh...dennis, its an accepted fact that he committed perjury in the case against SCA - a criminal offence in your neck of the words, I believe?

    So, once again I ask WHY isn't he in jail? If you know the facts please tell someone in authority. Please. Could it be that your "accepted fact" isn't good enough?
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    oh do stop being silly just for the satisfaction of your need to argue all the time, and read Pross's post above.


    In the meantime, back to those people who are really interested in the continuing developments

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lausann ... ays-tygart

    eeek....
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Pross wrote:
    dennisn wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Am I the only one who doesn't care? If he admits it, it will only be to benefit himself.

    I agree, Lance is fundamentally selfish.

    I agree also. Brings up two questions though.
    What's wrong with being selfish? Serious question.
    Who else, but LA, could possibly benefit from him confessing? i.e. how would you or I or anyone benefit? OK, maybe Oprah might, as far as ratings go.

    Those who have been calling him out as a doper will benefit from being able to say "told you so" once and for all to those who still believe he didn't cheat and is the victim of a witch hunt :wink:

    I'll buy the "...told you so..", although it sounds a bit like a 10 year old.
    I suppose, in a weird sort of way, that by him confessing to doping, that the people who don't believe he did will somehow be better off. Maybe???

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