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Im sure this will have been covered but I'm new to TR, skimmed the thread but not seen it.
How can TR give a TSS of +100 for a 60 min ride?
TR's TSS seems to differ from all I've read. Thought the max was 100 per hour, ie flat out for an hour would be 100TSS?
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Eebijeebi wrote:Im sure this will have been covered but I'm new to TR, skimmed the thread but not seen it.
How can TR give a TSS of +100 for a 60 min ride?
TR's TSS seems to differ from all I've read. Thought the max was 100 per hour, ie flat out for an hour would be 100TSS?
Cheers.
It shouldnt... but it is an indication that the FTP number you have set in the application is incorrect.. too low.
It is seeing 'you' ride at or in excess of threshold for those 60 minutes... or what you describe as 'flat out'
There is no other alternative TSS formula.
You need to test for FTP and if you are using virtual power make sure you have selected the correct trainer in that long list of supported trainers.0 -
In the library there are a few 60 min rides with a TSS shown at above 100. Are the library show stats for each ride different for the individual? ie, the one I did yesterday (Agassiz) show TSS 102 on the library. Will that be different for different riders?
Or is it that the hard efforts/recovery = a little more than constant output?
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Eebijeebi wrote:In the library there are a few 60 min rides with a TSS shown at above 100. Are the library show stats for each ride different for the individual? ie, the one I did yesterday (Agassiz) show TSS 102 on the library. Will that be different for different riders?
Or is it that the hard efforts/recovery = a little more than constant output?
Still learning
See where you are coming from... yes you can exceed TSS 100 or have an Intensity Factor higher than 1.
However, the caveats are
these rides/workouts are extremely hard
very hard
very very hard
In my case almost impossible to replicate indoors.
My 25 TTs , my times always hovering for an hours effort create very hi TSS and IF values 1.10, but these are rides which are body breaking.
I wouldnt worry about it unless for an instance you are returning a TSS value of 200 for that particular workout... then something is amiss.0 -
Eebijeebi wrote:Im sure this will have been covered but I'm new to TR, skimmed the thread but not seen it.
How can TR give a TSS of +100 for a 60 min ride?
TR's TSS seems to differ from all I've read. Thought the max was 100 per hour, ie flat out for an hour would be 100TSS?
Cheers.
Your 156 FTP in trainerroad is way off. Do a 8 minute, a 20 minute test or raise your FTP to 200 and do the same workouts again and see if you can manage them.
http://www.trainerroad.com/career/mackang0 -
MackanG wrote:Eebijeebi wrote:Im sure this will have been covered but I'm new to TR, skimmed the thread but not seen it.
How can TR give a TSS of +100 for a 60 min ride?
TR's TSS seems to differ from all I've read. Thought the max was 100 per hour, ie flat out for an hour would be 100TSS?
Cheers.
Your 156 FTP in trainerroad is way off. Do a 8 minute, a 20 minute test or raise your FTP to 200 and do the same workouts again and see if you can manage them.
http://www.trainerroad.com/career/mackang
Actually it's pretty accurate - sadly just not very good!
I test periodically on the trainer as well as look at 20 min segments from my hardest road rides - and it's all from a PM so not guesstimating.
When I started back on a bike in May I was probably 120-130 so getting better. Hopefully soon I'll get my FTP above my max HR and a watts/kg of 2.0, which will be a big step, before aiming for that big 200!
I'm getting on some and back from a long term illness. I have the lowest FTP I've seen, but it's all relative - it just means that when I ride with others their 'easy ride' is my zone popping one!0 -
Hmm something is definitely up. Numbers on Garmin may differ slightly, but it shouldn't be off this much. Have you contacted our support crew? Please shoot an email to support@trainerroad.com with a link to the ride and they will have a look at what's causing this. Sorry about that!
-Trevor from TrainerRoad0 -
Eebijeebi wrote:MackanG wrote:Eebijeebi wrote:Im sure this will have been covered but I'm new to TR, skimmed the thread but not seen it.
How can TR give a TSS of +100 for a 60 min ride?
TR's TSS seems to differ from all I've read. Thought the max was 100 per hour, ie flat out for an hour would be 100TSS?
Cheers.
Your 156 FTP in trainerroad is way off. Do a 8 minute, a 20 minute test or raise your FTP to 200 and do the same workouts again and see if you can manage them.
http://www.trainerroad.com/career/mackang
Actually it's pretty accurate - sadly just not very good!
I test periodically on the trainer as well as look at 20 min segments from my hardest road rides - and it's all from a PM so not guesstimating.
When I started back on a bike in May I was probably 120-130 so getting better. Hopefully soon I'll get my FTP above my max HR and a watts/kg of 2.0, which will be a big step, before aiming for that big 200!
I'm getting on some and back from a long term illness. I have the lowest FTP I've seen, but it's all relative - it just means that when I ride with others their 'easy ride' is my zone popping one!
After you did the Agassiz workout, did you crawl in to the bathroom to puke? If not, your FTP is to low. That is a very very very very hard workout if your FTP is set right. In the second to last interval in that workout you overshot the power for the first minute with 20w, and still finished that interval and the last. Raise your FTP in TR
What is your max heart rate?0 -
Not puking but staggering. I think I get you though - I came in some 10% over the 102 TSS target which I ought not be able to?
I'll do the TR 20 minuter as advised and see what happens, cheers.
(MHR 178).0 -
Well thanks for the heads up MackanG, I did the TR 20 minuter and came back at 176, which is a big step up.
I'm really enjoying TR, the visuals are a bit like having someone shouting you on. I did a couple of bits just focusing on the Garmin and it wasn't the same. Found a new MHR 4 higher too which is a bit scary.
To top it off, after 8 months have finally made it onto wassiznames power to weigh chart at the very lowest in the 'untrained category'. Result! Agassiz will be a different kettle of fish next time.0 -
Eebijeebi wrote:Well thanks for the heads up MackanG, I did the TR 20 minuter and came back at 176, which is a big step up.
I'm really enjoying TR, the visuals are a bit like having someone shouting you on. I did a couple of bits just focusing on the Garmin and it wasn't the same. Found a new MHR 4 higher too which is a bit scary.
To top it off, after 8 months have finally made it onto wassiznames power to weigh chart at the very lowest in the 'untrained category'. Result! Agassiz will be a different kettle of fish next time.
Great workout. 13% higher FTP than you thought. You coming back from long time illness, stay away of Agassiz. It will only brake you down, not build you up. Why not try one of TR Sweet Spot Base Plans low volume I or II depending on how much time you can spare.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/plan ... -spot-base
Even a 60min workout with IF 0.85 is tough.0 -
What he said. Anything over IF 0.8 should be a very hard session.MackanG wrote:Eebijeebi wrote:Well thanks for the heads up MackanG, I did the TR 20 minuter and came back at 176, which is a big step up.
I'm really enjoying TR, the visuals are a bit like having someone shouting you on. I did a couple of bits just focusing on the Garmin and it wasn't the same. Found a new MHR 4 higher too which is a bit scary.
To top it off, after 8 months have finally made it onto wassiznames power to weigh chart at the very lowest in the 'untrained category'. Result! Agassiz will be a different kettle of fish next time.
Great workout. 13% higher FTP than you thought. You coming back from long time illness, stay away of Agassiz. It will only brake you down, not build you up. Why not try one of TR Sweet Spot Base Plans low volume I or II depending on how much time you can spare.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/plan ... -spot-base
Even a 60min workout with IF 0.85 is tough.0 -
1st post. Just wanted to join the discussion and echo the appreciation for Trainerroad. I've used a trainer in the offseason the last couple of years, but I never made anywhere near the progress I've made in my first 8 weeks of using TR. I used Sufferfest videos exclusively (also a new thing to me) and took my initial FTP of 225 to 257 in 6.5 weeks. I was hoping to initially get to 270 by the spring, but I may end up closer to 300 if things go similar to how they have over the first 8 weeks. {more interested in the overall % of improvement than the actual final number.} Anyway, I'm mostly interested in developing power and efforts that are more applicable to MTB. My workout schedule looks like this:
Mon: Sprint (Violator, Half is Easy, etc.)
Wed: Mid-level interval (A Very Dark Place, Fight Club, 9 Hammers)
Fri: Speed or Sprint (Revolver, The Downward Spiral, etc.)
Sat or Sun: Recovery/Technique (Elements of Style)
That's a full load for me, but I'm not itching to get back on the trails anytime soon. TR is a total game-changer for the more data/goal driven individuals. Really curious to see how I do on the trails next season after a (sort of) structured off-season training regimen.0 -
Hi, I've just ordered the Wahoo fitness key to use with an iphone and (full size) ipad. I dont have any means of clamping either device to the bars, and from what I can gather, TR only works on ipad in portrait orientation (which I imagine would be quite tricky to use, given that the dongle is at the bottom of the device!). Can any of you recommend an off the shelf mounting device for either device. I cant really be bothered assembling TR's Blue Peter version! ThanksNever mistake motion for action
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steelhmr wrote:
Mon: Sprint (Violator, Half is Easy, etc.)
Wed: Mid-level interval (A Very Dark Place, Fight Club, 9 Hammers)
Fri: Speed or Sprint (Revolver, The Downward Spiral, etc.)
Sat or Sun: Recovery/Technique (Elements of Style)
That is a very hard set of sessions as Sufferfest vids really push you to the limit. Sounds like it is working well for you though0 -
Hello Guys,
I have a question about my setup. I'm using a Elite Turbo Muin in combination with Trainerroad. Everything is working fine but it seems that my speed is really low. I just did a one hour session and it said that I only had a average of 20.2km/h. Is it something with my setting or is this normal?
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It is normal.Dirtyworkzz wrote:Hello Guys,
I have a question about my setup. I'm using a Elite Turbo Muin in combination with Trainerroad. Everything is working fine but it seems that my speed is really low. I just did a one hour session and it said that I only had a average of 20.2km/h. Is it something with my setting or is this normal?
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Good Day,
Looking for a little advice. I spend a lot of time at work and as of now we have a Keiser M3 spinner bike. I like riding it but at this time it won’t connect to trainerroad.
I would like to attempt to convince my boss to buy the CycleOps Pro 300 for the gym as I have read it can be connected to Trainerroad.
Any pro’s / con’s of this idea or other suggestions greatly appreciated.0 -
A wattbike would work too ? http://wattbike.com/uk/wattbike/2013_pe ... ainer_road0
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Tacx make a handlebar iPad mount. If the dongle restricts the fitting, you could always rotate it 180 degrees.Boardman Elite SLR 9.2S
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Did another FTP test today, and I have increased from 117w to 151w. Does this sound about the sort of improvements someone just starting cycling again should make over a month, or is it likely that I just didn't try hard enough the first time?
This time, I was starting to feel like I might need to reach for a bucket after the session (but was OK).
This test was also done on a road bike (Canyon Endurace CF8) whereas my initial test was on my MTB (stumpjumper HT) - both had a Tacx trainer tyre on them - however the MTB was at 80psi, the road was at 100psi. I did adjust the wheel circumference in TrainerRoad to the correct size too.
I have also found that I am spinning a much higher RPM as my natural speed now. This may be from the endurance spins in the Traditional Base plan. Before starting, just doing intervals with my Garmin on the turbo, my average cadence was about 90RPM. I now seem to be comfortable at 95RPM, and when doing the two 8 min time trials I was spinning at around 105-110rpm. I understand that this puts less load on the muscles, but it's not that I am thinking "right I should be spinning quicker here", my body is simply doing it.0 -
Its finally time for me to start with TR and will be setting up tonight and hopefully do the FTP test if i get time.
One thing - How do i set the resistance up on the turbo so the power numbers are accurate ?
I have a Tacx Booster so have 10 different resistance levels as well as increasing or decreasing the pressure on the tyre.
I know that once set it needs to be kept the same for consistency but how do you get it right in the first place ??0 -
I think you might find that the turbo uses magnetic resistance.
Squashing the tyre is not really required.
I'd just pick number 5 and yes you can use the gears to vary things.0 -
Tjgoodhew wrote:Its finally time for me to start with TR and will be setting up tonight and hopefully do the FTP test if i get time.
One thing - How do i set the resistance up on the turbo so the power numbers are accurate ?
I have a Tacx Booster so have 10 different resistance levels as well as increasing or decreasing the pressure on the tyre.
I know that once set it needs to be kept the same for consistency but how do you get it right in the first place ??
I have a Tacx Booster, I use level 2 as that closest resembles real road riding for me and once you settle on a tyre pressure on the fly wheel leave it. Any adjustment on this has a massive effect on the Virtual Power output.0 -
I also used the Booster on setting 2.
I read on the Tacx forum, that you should wind the tension wheel so that it just touches the tyre enough to stop it spinning freely, then release it - wind on 3 full turns, and it should be good to go.0 -
Does anyone else struggle in the latter stages of the +90min +100% FTP rides?
I've so far struggled with Palisade, Leconte and Mary Austin... Plus Lamarck and that's only 60mins.
http://www.trainerroad.com/career/leighm
Each time, my legs have gone to jelly and I feel completely beat. I've fueled 1-2hrs prior to each workout and gone through 1.5l of water during each ride, but I'm wondering if I need to be fueling during too.
On an outdoor ride, I'm regularly sipping electrolyte drink, plus having a gel/bar every 90mins or so, and that's at much lower intensity than these TrainerRoad rides.0 -
When you are doing intervals that are hovering around your threshold, then a certain rule comes into play that says after a certain point your power will drop off like a stone and that points to when you can stop doing the session.
The guidelines for optimal intervals are described in Training and Racing with a Power Meter.
The set routines in TR sometimes give the impression that 'you must get with the programme' like old fashioned boot camp.
Happily, using the power readout, be it virtual or real, then you can actually train smarter.
The fact that you did 4 and half of those long intervals, says not a bad effort.0 -
I set TR up last night and other than a quick pedal didnt have time to do a proper session so will be doing my first FTP test tonight. I would say I have a decent base level of fitness and have been doing sufferfest videos sporadically so I am familiar with interval training but have never followed a structured plan.
Looking at previous non TR Turbo sessions i would expect my FTP to be between 200-225.
Looking at plans i was going to go for general build mid volume with the goal of starting racing in the Spring.
Would that be my best bet and any other advice ?0 -
What kind of racing ?0
