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Good Day All,
I am still having problems getting consistent readings on my HRM. Any suggestions?
http://www.screencast.com/t/X06WsVu1zqT
Right now I am using the WAHOO brand but I am also have the same problem with Garmin.0 -
Just a shot in the dark - i used to have dropout issues with my cadence sensor which I eventually traced to the 3G dongle plugged in to my laptop. I now do workouts without Internet connection, 3G or wifi and have had no problems since. I connect when the workout is finished then sync it to my career.CDN wrote:Good Day All,
I am still having problems getting consistent readings on my HRM. Any suggestions?
http://www.screencast.com/t/X06WsVu1zqT
Right now I am using the WAHOO brand but I am also have the same problem with Garmin.
So, maybe give it a try with wifi/3G turned off.
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I'm currently on week two of the Traditional Base Low Volume I, and struggling with priiformis syndrome which is making the longer rides painful. I have tried switching saddle to see if it helps (currently trying a Fizik Antares Vs, but have tried Arione, Arione Vs and charge spoon). I am also working on stretches and tennis ball rolling.
Next week will extend the rides from 90 mins to 105 mins and not sure my butt will cope...
Would it make sense to go back to week 1 and repeat weeks 1 and 2 until I can manage comfortably, or should I struggle on?0 -
gcwebbyuk wrote:I'm currently on week two of the Traditional Base Low Volume I, and struggling with priiformis syndrome which is making the longer rides painful. I have tried switching saddle to see if it helps (currently trying a Fizik Antares Vs, but have tried Arione, Arione Vs and charge spoon). I am also working on stretches and tennis ball rolling.
Next week will extend the rides from 90 mins to 105 mins and not sure my butt will cope...
Would it make sense to go back to week 1 and repeat weeks 1 and 2 until I can manage comfortably, or should I struggle on?
I can't see changing saddles will cure a chronic condition... you may have a fundamental bike setup error.
Once you have warmed up by easy spinning on the bike for 15 minutes, is that without discomfort? when does the discomfort kick in.. after harder efforts?0 -
It seems to have started about the 45 minute mark regardless of effort. The pain stops as soon as I get off the bike.
I only started riding again in June after four years off from neck surgery. I managed longer in the saddle (3 hours) but that was not on a turbo so I was moving around more. I started trying new saddles as I thought that was the issue, but the Physio explained piriformis syndrome and the links to the sciatic pain I have from a herniated disc at l5/s1. I have had trouble in the past even driving a car from the pain under my butt.
Since stretching and tennis ball rolling, I have found slightly less pain. However yesterday I was feeling it deep in the hip (the other end of the piriformis).0 -
This was my latest ride. I am only using my ipad and I am shutting off my wifi but my HRM is still kicking out.
http://www.screencast.com/t/96JkiDs9x
My question is, is the program working me hard enough or should I redo the 20min test again?
Thanks.
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I failed an FTP test ( during illness, i know i know...) but need to continue into my plan for timeliness. On the basis of the difference of either completing intervals successfully (long ones such as 8/10 mins) or not, should I lower my FTP by a nominal value?
From a fitness/developmental perspective is it more important to complete the interval entirely at a lower output or complete 3/4 of it and try to push myself even it means not completing it to the end and possibly compromising the final /3rd interval?
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Kryton57 wrote:I failed an FTP test ( during illness, i know i know...) but need to continue into my plan for timeliness. On the basis of the difference of either completing intervals successfully (long ones such as 8/10 mins) or not, should I lower my FTP by a nominal value?
From a fitness/developmental perspective is it more important to complete the interval entirely at a lower output or complete 3/4 of it and try to push myself even it means not completing it to the end and possibly compromising the final /3rd interval?
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If you refer to 'Training and Racing with a Power Meter', then the guidelines for how many intervals etc are described.
In your case as you are not firing on all cylinders currently then you are not creating enough stimuli for a training effect. That doesnt mean dont do workouts, but it does mean keep a check on yourself until you are 100%.0 -
Kryton57 wrote:I failed an FTP test ( during illness, i know i know...) but need to continue into my plan for timeliness. On the basis of the difference of either completing intervals successfully (long ones such as 8/10 mins) or not, should I lower my FTP by a nominal value?
From a fitness/developmental perspective is it more important to complete the interval entirely at a lower output or complete 3/4 of it and try to push myself even it means not completing it to the end and possibly compromising the final /3rd interval?
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The body actually prioritizes beating an infection over creating any new adaptations from training. If you're still really feeling the illness, I'd recommend recovery rides or nothing at all. Any efforts beyond this are simply hindering your immune system's efforts to get you healthy again and not doing anything for your fitness. Believe me, I know how it feels to miss scheduled training and it doesn't sit well with me at all, but keep in mind all of your competitors will be going through similar setbacks as well, so the best thing to do is to focus on your health and then get back on the bike as soon as you're 100%.
-Trevor from TrainerRoad0 -
IMHO I would redo the test.
I am still new to TR and after gaining some experience on the program I decided to redo the 20min test. I have just completed mine today. Felt I was closer to my limit.
http://www.screencast.com/t/cgAf7MBI
Think I figured out a bit more in regards to the HRM. In TR I have the Power Smoothing set to 5 sec. Would this also smooth the HRM read out?0 -
There's actually no smoothing on HR in TrainerRoad. Adjusting the power smoothing will not effect your HR reading.
-Trevor from TrainerRoad0 -
CDN wrote:IMHO I would redo the test.
I am still new to TR and after gaining some experience on the program I decided to redo the 20min test. I have just completed mine today. Felt I was closer to my limit.
http://www.screencast.com/t/cgAf7MBI
Think I figured out a bit more in regards to the HRM. In TR I have the Power Smoothing set to 5 sec. Would this also smooth the HRM read out?
Interesting Hr changes there. Mine is much more gradual up and down - yours seems to jump both ways. Is it always like that ?0 -
Your HRM is suspect.
Garmins x 2 gave up the ghost due to corroded battery compartments... hot and sweaty dont really mix and give erroneous or flatline readouts just like yours, so now using a cheapo Charmin HRM off E bay and it actually has been flawless the last 2 months...
You should see some cardiac drift upwards if your body responds like 99.9999% of humanoids during a 20 minute v hard effort indoor training.0 -
cougie wrote:CDN wrote:IMHO I would redo the test.
I am still new to TR and after gaining some experience on the program I decided to redo the 20min test. I have just completed mine today. Felt I was closer to my limit.
http://www.screencast.com/t/cgAf7MBI
Think I figured out a bit more in regards to the HRM. In TR I have the Power Smoothing set to 5 sec. Would this also smooth the HRM read out?
Interesting Hr changes there. Mine is much more gradual up and down - yours seems to jump both ways. Is it always like that ?
Keep in mind that CDN weighs over 48 stone so the HRM may act differently due to body mass?"You really think you can burn off sugar with exercise?" downhill paul0 -
Guys,
Just wondering if you could offer some advice on plans.
I'm a TT rider in the main, with my FTP about 250w at the end of last season, allowing me to set a 23:15 on a local 10m TT. Not blistering, but happy enough, looking to use trainer road to start upping this power.
I was looking at the low volume 40k TT, as I will be targetting generally slightly longer and hillier TTs which should equate generally to around an hours riding in our local league. However the plan doesn't quite fit in, and wondering if people could offer advice on how to tailor the plan for my riding habits.
Generally I ride to work 4 times a week (Monday to Thursday) and the ride is 5.5 miles (20 minutes) each way, and as I don't like to be stuck in all the time, I would aim to do the fast club run each Sunday which is around 60 miles and 3000ft of climbing all in (9 miles of easier riding at beginning and end to get to/from home) usually averaging about 18-19mph, but I'll be taking some big chunks at the front, rather than sitting in, and will push myself hard on the climbs.
My plan was to use the 3 mid week low volume training plan rides during the week and to use the club run on the Sundays, but wondering how anyone else would utilise the time I have available to me.0 -
I think the law of diminishing returns may apply here as your training/riding time is pretty up there, with a decent time for a 10.
You have a specific TT bike ?
You may be able to tweak faster times thus.. improvment in aero positioning eg.. bit of new kit .. still important even on sporting courses.
Club runs are good for socialbility for not perhaps the best for testers, as you may want to push the pace and others may not be so happy.
I reckon if you want more then you probably have to give more as regards bike time.
You know as well myself, that after that 10, if someone had said ok... take 2 minutes off it next week, you'd look at them in a rather askance way after you got your breath back.... it is a very tall order.0 -
JGSI wrote:I think the law of diminishing returns may apply here as your training/riding time is pretty up there, with a decent time for a 10.
You have a specific TT bike ?
You may be able to tweak faster times thus.. improvment in aero positioning eg.. bit of new kit .. still important even on sporting courses.
Club runs are good for socialbility for not perhaps the best for testers, as you may want to push the pace and others may not be so happy.
I reckon if you want more then you probably have to give more as regards bike time.
You know as well myself, that after that 10, if someone had said ok... take 2 minutes off it next week, you'd look at them in a rather askance way after you got your breath back.... it is a very tall order.
That's what I thought, I'm riding a TT bike, although not the newest (2009 Dolan), but it is relatively aero, and I think the main upgrade would be new frame as I'm running disc wheel and carbon clincher up front.
True about the club runs, generally if the pace is upped, people will follow suit in our fast run, and I still like to enjoy my riding so will keep these in, was just seeing if anyone had any different options or similar routines I could perhaps pinch, I guess the main marker will be to do FTP test and see how I get on comparatively in 6 weeks time.0 -
I have once again signed up to TR. I did my FTP test albeit with no turbo practice since spring. My turbo FTP is 25w less than my road FTP I did a month ago. This time last year is was 240 to 245W on the road and so I didn't bother worrying about it. To be honest the turbo FTP was hard and horrible. Yes, yes I know I should've got on my turbo and got used to it at the beginning of December like I promised.
Over the past 2 years I seemed to have become a slave to the Performance Manager Chart.I know, CTL is a signpost not the path, but it is a strange addiction looking at the graph. S
So to my question, assuming your turbo FTP is also lower, do you amend the values in trainingpeaks / Golden Cheetah etc. after uploading a TR ride? Or is it not that important?Live to ski
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If you are positive that your FTP is lower indoors then yes use that number , otherwise it is going to skew the subsequent numbers in your PMC chart. If you start getting IF values over, then time to re assess.0
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hi,
need some help from you guys, i encounter a couple of issues during my first FTP 8 min test with trainerroad.
the main one & the most severe by far is that i pulled back a muscle in my lower back left side. my back has been locked for the past 3 days :-( i was wondering how could this happened since i ride by bike quiet often 2 or 3 times a week all year around. i'm a 45 years old man, riding mainly because i love cycling.
i purchased recently a kickr since i didn't want to experience cycling like last year in the cold chicago weather.
during the test, i pushed myself really hard. maybe too hard, my hr reached 195 at end of the test!!!
keep in mind that i have never done any intervals.
like you can see on the chart below, i started way above my capacity. during the second 8 min test, i was seeing my hr drifting slowly in the unknown zone & that was pretty scary.
i noticed two things that i need to fix right away.
the temperature in my basement is around 72F/22c with some burst of hot air from time to time, i guess i will have to turn the heat down if i ever do a ftp test again. i also noticed that my right foot was kind of loose in the pedal, not sure if it is the cause of the muscle back pain issue.
how can i avoid such injuries in the future ? is it normal for my max hr to go that high at 45 years old?
thank you for your time.
-Alex
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/ride ... inute-Test0 -
wannaknowmo wrote:hi,
need some help from you guys, i encounter a couple of issues during my first FTP 8 min test with trainerroad.
the main one & the most severe by far is that i pulled back a muscle in my lower back left side. my back has been locked for the past 3 days :-( i was wondering how could this happened since i ride by bike quiet often 2 or 3 times a week all year around. i'm a 45 years old man, riding mainly because i love cycling.
i purchased recently a kickr since i didn't want to experience cycling like last year in the cold chicago weather.
during the test, i pushed myself really hard. maybe too hard, my hr reached 195 at end of the test!!!
keep in mind that i have never done any intervals.
like you can see on the chart below, i started way above my capacity. during the second 8 min test, i was seeing my hr drifting slowly in the unknown zone & that was pretty scary.
i noticed two things that i need to fix right away.
the temperature in my basement is around 72F/22c with some burst of hot air from time to time, i guess i will have to turn the heat down if i ever do a ftp test again. i also noticed that my right foot was kind of loose in the pedal, not sure if it is the cause of the muscle back pain issue.
how can i avoid such injuries in the future ? is it normal for my max hr to go that high at 45 years old?
thank you for your time.
-Alex
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/ride ... inute-Test
You certainly need to sort yourself out a mega fan if you are going to do indoor training. That is a hot place to work out with no air flow.
I am not qualified to comment on your heart rate. According to the formulas that are commonly used the number is high, but maybe thats just the way you are. I can say though that the shape of your heart rate graph is exactly the way mine is. Just different numbers.
Its not uncommon to struggle with early FTP tests. Its very hard to know how hard to go and how much to hold back. When your back gets better you now have a baseline to work from. Trainer Road automatically raises the target a little for subsequent ftp tests. Just try to hold the suggested power. Nothing more, nothing less.0 -
Yeah I think turning the heat off completely is a good idea. Have you ever been to a warm gym ?
I'd not worry about your max heart rate - you'll probably be edging toward that when you're really pushing hard.
As Dippy says - a fan is the way forwards. I have two now.
If you've pulled a muscle in your back I'd think you've been using your whole body - not just the legs. Pedal like a duck next time.0 -
sorry, i forgot to mention that i was using a big fan. i will try next time to not look at the hr & hold on the suggested power like dippydog said.
maybe, i panic when i saw that the hr was going up & the legs were dead and like you said cougie i was probably all over the bike trying to finish the test. next time, i will record it.
thanks for your help guys.0 -
wannaknowmo wrote:sorry, i forgot to mention that i was using a big fan. i will try next time to not look at the hr & hold on the suggested power like dippydog said.
maybe, i panic when i saw that the hr was going up & the legs were dead and like you said cougie i was probably all over the bike trying to finish the test. next time, i will record it.
thanks for your help guys.
Just be in a little less rush to ride the turbo at the top end. If you have never done interval training before then that suggests that your fitness is still at a basic level. So break yourself in, gently... over exertion is not cool despite what you read on Facebook Sufferfest pages and the like.
Anyone can get fit, and cetainly get a lot fitter by riding a bike, but it takes lots of time.
Yes, the heat in an enclosed space sounds like the absolute worst space to train in by the way but thats another factor to factor in, acclimatisation. Heat stress will increase body responses immensely.0 -
Hi,
Quick technical question.
I have 2 bikes, one with stages crank and a garmin speed sensor, the other has no power but a garmin gcs10 speed cadence thingy.
I have been going into devices every time I change the bike and repairing which is a bit of a faff. Biggest issue is trying to find my turbo to get the virtual power.
If I was to leave virtual power selected but ride my stages bike, what power data will trainer road record??0 -
If you leave the Virtual Power checked , it will record virtual power, whilst your headunit will record PM power.
I did this to compare... virtual power was running 10 to 20% higher.0 -
Hi
Apologies if this has been covered before but as I new to TR ( 2 days old just) and have searched the internet and thread I have not been able to find an answer.
The problem I have is that I did a workout today of 90 mins and when finisheded it gave me a TTS of over 1100. This is obviously wrong as my Garmin showed it as just over 100.
Is there any way to edit the resulting data?
Thanks,0 -
You can't in TR, but you can download the tcx file and edit within Golden Cheetah or Excel.Plodingalong wrote:Hi
Apologies if this has been covered before but as I new to TR ( 2 days old just) and have searched the internet and thread I have not been able to find an answer.
The problem I have is that I did a workout today of 90 mins and when finisheded it gave me a TTS of over 1100. This is obviously wrong as my Garmin showed it as just over 100.
Is there any way to edit the resulting data?
Thanks,
If you havent done a ftp test, then do 1 in order to get some validity to your stress score.
The guys at TR could edit it for you, I suppose, if you send a ticket.
Last option is just to delete the ride.0
