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  • bigdaveskinnytyre
    bigdaveskinnytyre Posts: 218
    Another Re-visit, this time Thunder.

    I seem to be getting my legs back, re-test for FTP on Sunday.
    Nil Points
  • jamienorton
    jamienorton Posts: 182
    Just did Ericsson http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99387 found it fairly easy, although i didn't do the ILT bit at the beginning. Also something crashed during a rest period, Ant+ something or other, hope its not regular issue.
  • jezzpalmer
    jezzpalmer Posts: 389
    After a failed attempt on Sunday (I started with a headache and stopped halfway through the 5 min warm up as my head was going to explode) I've just completed the 20 min test.

    Suggested FTP 210W, LTHR 176bpm, and 3.49w/kg
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99403

    I've never worked so hard and achieved so little. :D
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    Did Pyramidal at lunchtime but seem to loose the plot about half way though, and then seem to have made the rest of it up: http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99358
    Anyway, I'm liking the 'sweetspot' rides.

    =========================
    I asked TR Support a couple of questions which might be of interest....

    (1) I have noticed on a number of TR rides/sessions, that the power values for the for the intervals doesn't look right. For some intervals, the 'Average Power' values are higher than 'Normalized Power' - which I didn't think was possible.
    Can anyone explain why this is? Interestingly, if I look at the figures produced by my PowerTap for that ride in Training Peaks, NP is higher (as I would expect)
    ========
    Answer: That's because we take a 30 second rolling average for NP. I'm guessing these are for intervals shorter than 20 minutes. I just asked this question to Andrew Coggan (guy who came up with this stuff) and he told me that we shouldn't show NP for anything lower than 20 minutes. Even 20 minutes might be too short.
    =========================
    (2) The Tacx Satori power profile, setting TR to "Tacx Satori 5" and the Turbo to Level 6 seems to give more accurate readings for power when comparing the data to my PowerTap (power is still a little higher on TR)
    Using the setting "Tacx Satori 6" with the turbo set to the same level, gives hugely overinflated power values. I have the PT files (captures from my Edge) if required.
    ========
    Answer: I went back and looked at these curves. They are from a picture from the Tacx website that has been taken down. I found another post with a really small picture, but the numbers are even higher.
    I've attached the data I have if you'd like to take a look.
    To redo these, I'd need at least 2 points for every resistance level. i.e. 15kph is 70w. 25 kph is 200w for each setting. 3 or more points would be even better.

    This sounds easy enough to perform, so will complete this for TR hopefully this week - so we'll have more accurate profiles for the Tacx Satori :-)
    Simon
  • mattshrops
    mattshrops Posts: 1,134
    20 min test done today. As expected my power is feeble.http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99366

    I have decided to do ftp plan and add in a long ride (100-ish) on a sunday and a medium/long on a thursday-may replace this sometimes with a zone 2/3 turbo.

    Incidentally i have suggested to TR that they allow outdoor rides to be downloaded to TR as well so TR can be used as a training log. If you like the idea -find it and vote for it. :mrgreen:
    Death or Glory- Just another Story
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    dw300 wrote:
    I just failed my first FTP test .. Popped after 12 minutes. :(
    - Oh dear!...... :shock:
    springtide9 wrote:
    =========================
    I asked TR Support a couple of questions which might be of interest....
    - The NP question was certainly interesting, thanks for posting.
    mattshrops wrote:
    20 min test done today. As expected my power is feeble
    - You may think that, but it's higher than mine :oops:

    Cheers,
    MarkP
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
    Tibia plateau fracture - the rehab continues!
  • bobones
    bobones Posts: 1,215
    springtide9 wrote:
    (2) The Tacx Satori power profile, setting TR to "Tacx Satori 5" and the Turbo to Level 6 seems to give more accurate readings for power when comparing the data to my PowerTap (power is still a little higher on TR)
    Using the setting "Tacx Satori 6" with the turbo set to the same level, gives hugely overinflated power values. I have the PT files (captures from my Edge) if required.
    ========
    Answer: I went back and looked at these curves. They are from a picture from the Tacx website that has been taken down. I found another post with a really small picture, but the numbers are even higher.
    I've attached the data I have if you'd like to take a look.
    To redo these, I'd need at least 2 points for every resistance level. i.e. 15kph is 70w. 25 kph is 200w for each setting. 3 or more points would be even better.

    This sounds easy enough to perform, so will complete this for TR hopefully this week - so we'll have more accurate profiles for the Tacx Satori :-)
    There's a graph on this page http://www.tacx.com/en/products/trainers/satori#tab_2 which
    I am using to calculate VP for my sessions. I would be grateful if you could post your results from your PT here too, just to see how accurate this graph is. Would also need some indication of tyre and roller pressure that you use too.
  • wardieboy
    wardieboy Posts: 230
    springtide9 wrote:
    Did Pyramidal at lunchtime but seem to loose the plot about half way though, and then seem to have made the rest of it up: http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99358
    Anyway, I'm liking the 'sweetspot' rides.

    =========================
    I asked TR Support a couple of questions which might be of interest....

    (1) I have noticed on a number of TR rides/sessions, that the power values for the for the intervals doesn't look right. For some intervals, the 'Average Power' values are higher than 'Normalized Power' - which I didn't think was possible.
    Can anyone explain why this is? Interestingly, if I look at the figures produced by my PowerTap for that ride in Training Peaks, NP is higher (as I would expect)
    ========
    Answer: That's because we take a 30 second rolling average for NP. I'm guessing these are for intervals shorter than 20 minutes. I just asked this question to Andrew Coggan (guy who came up with this stuff) and he told me that we shouldn't show NP for anything lower than 20 minutes. Even 20 minutes might be too short.
    =========================
    (2) The Tacx Satori power profile, setting TR to "Tacx Satori 5" and the Turbo to Level 6 seems to give more accurate readings for power when comparing the data to my PowerTap (power is still a little higher on TR)
    Using the setting "Tacx Satori 6" with the turbo set to the same level, gives hugely overinflated power values. I have the PT files (captures from my Edge) if required.
    ========
    Answer: I went back and looked at these curves. They are from a picture from the Tacx website that has been taken down. I found another post with a really small picture, but the numbers are even higher.
    I've attached the data I have if you'd like to take a look.
    To redo these, I'd need at least 2 points for every resistance level. i.e. 15kph is 70w. 25 kph is 200w for each setting. 3 or more points would be even better.

    This sounds easy enough to perform, so will complete this for TR hopefully this week - so we'll have more accurate profiles for the Tacx Satori :-)

    Spring - This sounds promising for more accurate Satori readings. I am using a Tacx Cycletrack which is quoted as having the same power curve as the Satori.

    Question for anyone that can help - I have an issue with the resistance lever cable on my cycletrack, I tried to lower the resistance and the lever was really stiff, so stiff that it ended up snapping off. I think the resistance adjuster cable may have been stepped on and may have a kink in it. I now have the resistance fixed at level 2-3 (held in place with some insulation tape to stop it shifting higher if any pressure is put on the cable). Could the turbo be working at a different (higher) resistance to that indicated by the level setting due to the cable being damaged? Does anyone have experience in changing Turbo cables? I have seen that they can be purchased as a replacement but am unable to find any real instructions on ease of changing. Any advice would be most appreciated - Cheers!
  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    springtide9 wrote:
    To redo these, I'd need at least 2 points for every resistance level. i.e. 15kph is 70w. 25 kph is 200w for each setting. 3 or more points would be even better.

    This sounds easy enough to perform, so will complete this for TR hopefully this week - so we'll have more accurate profiles for the Tacx Satori :-)

    Excellent, good man :D
  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    Is it better to try to follow the target or just use that as a guide? I tend to do something like http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99577. Should I be trying to stay closer, especially as this was supposed to be a sweet spot ride?
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    Stueys wrote:
    Is it better to try to follow the target or just use that as a guide? I tend to do something like http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99577. Should I be trying to stay closer, especially as this was supposed to be a sweet spot ride?
    Hi Stueys,
    I think Sweet Spot is supposed to be hard but sustainable in order to build up your aerobic fitness, running at 88-94% FTP. If you are finding workouts like Ericson too easy (with 4 x 8min sweet spot intervals) and running the intervals at much higher power (I see you tended to do 290W when 245W called for) then my first guess would be to say that your FTP is set too low.
    You're running well above predicted sweet spot levels at that power, at around 107% of FTP, on the border between lactate threshold and VO2 max. Does it feel like you're there?
    So, yes, I believe the idea is to work at around the target, as these workouts are designed to generate improvements if you follow the plans.
    Maybe it's time for you to try another FTP test?

    Cheers,
    MarkP
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
    Tibia plateau fracture - the rehab continues!
  • stueys
    stueys Posts: 1,332
    MarkP80 wrote:
    Stueys wrote:
    Is it better to try to follow the target or just use that as a guide? I tend to do something like http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99577. Should I be trying to stay closer, especially as this was supposed to be a sweet spot ride?
    Hi Stueys,
    I think Sweet Spot is supposed to be hard but sustainable in order to build up your aerobic fitness, running at 88-94% FTP. If you are finding workouts like Ericson too easy (with 4 x 8min sweet spot intervals) and running the intervals at much higher power (I see you tended to do 290W when 245W called for) then my first guess would be to say that your FTP is set too low.
    You're running well above predicted sweet spot levels at that power, at around 107% of FTP, on the border between lactate threshold and VO2 max. Does it feel like you're there?
    So, yes, I believe the idea is to work at around the target, as these workouts are designed to generate improvements if you follow the plans.
    Maybe it's time for you to try another FTP test?

    Cheers,
    MarkP

    Thanks Mark, that makes total sense. Just finished monitor and ran the same way so another FTP test for me at the weekend I think to see where I am. Just starting training properly on the turbo so more than likely I screwed the first test up. Appreciate the advice.
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    Stueys wrote:
    MarkP80 wrote:
    Maybe it's time for you to try another FTP test?
    Just finished monitor and ran the same way so another FTP test for me at the weekend I think to see where I am. Just starting training properly on the turbo so more than likely I screwed the first test up.
    - In the meantime, try increasing the %FTP setting when you do a workout. Put it up to 110% and see how you get on. I think a few people have commented that their early FTP tests have given low results due to unfamiliarity with riding on the turbo inhibiting their performance. We've discussed possibly retesting every four, or certainly 6, weeks initially, as we suspected big increases over this period are for this very reason rather than genuine performance improvements.

    I'm now coming to the end of the final week of Intermediate Base I. Just one more session, Beacon to do. I did Ebbetts last night, which at first glance just looked like 4 x 8min sweet spot intervals. When I opened it up though, I spotted there were four short sprints within each of those intervals, which certainly spiced things up! It was interesting to try and concentrate on recovery from the sprints while maintaining the interval pace.
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/100314
    That was the third session right at the end of this plan where some sprinting has been introduced, and it's been an interesting addition. So, Beacon left, 90 mins of threshold intervals, then FTP time again. I'm not expecting much improvement this time TBH, as I increased half way through this plan (but only a bit). Then I need to see which plan I should follow next. :twisted:

    Cheers,
    MarkP
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
    Tibia plateau fracture - the rehab continues!
  • Roubaixsl3
    Roubaixsl3 Posts: 48
    springtide9 wrote:
    Answer: I went back and looked at these curves. They are from a picture from the Tacx website that has been taken down. I found another post with a really small picture, but the numbers are even higher.
    I've attached the data I have if you'd like to take a look.
    To redo these, I'd need at least 2 points for every resistance level. i.e. 15kph is 70w. 25 kph is 200w for each setting. 3 or more points would be even better.

    This sounds easy enough to perform, so will complete this for TR hopefully this week - so we'll have more accurate profiles for the Tacx Satori :-)
    Any idea if the Satori power figures have been adjusted yet ?. I'm running on 5 on the turbo and the same on TR, would like to know if it's now giving more accurate results
  • Garryboy
    Garryboy Posts: 344
    Roubaixsl3 wrote:
    springtide9 wrote:
    Answer: I went back and looked at these curves. They are from a picture from the Tacx website that has been taken down. I found another post with a really small picture, but the numbers are even higher.
    I've attached the data I have if you'd like to take a look.
    To redo these, I'd need at least 2 points for every resistance level. i.e. 15kph is 70w. 25 kph is 200w for each setting. 3 or more points would be even better.

    This sounds easy enough to perform, so will complete this for TR hopefully this week - so we'll have more accurate profiles for the Tacx Satori :-)
    Any idea if the Satori power figures have been adjusted yet ?. I'm running on 5 on the turbo and the same on TR, would like to know if it's now giving more accurate results

    If TR follow the same process they did for the Jetfluid Pro - they will tweet/facebook that a new profile is available, the existing one will stay but with (obsolete) after it, allowing you to keep using it util you can do another FTP test - then start using the new profile.
  • jamienorton
    jamienorton Posts: 182
    Just finished Monitor really enjoy these sweet spot sessions, hopefully the Satori 5 profile will be updated officially before the the next ftp test. Used a fan today was more comfortable, but there's something satisfying about watching a pool of sweat slowly form around you, and the general look of disgust from the rest of the household.
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    Garryboy wrote:
    Roubaixsl3 wrote:
    springtide9 wrote:
    Answer: I went back and looked at these curves. They are from a picture from the Tacx website that has been taken down. I found another post with a really small picture, but the numbers are even higher.
    I've attached the data I have if you'd like to take a look.
    To redo these, I'd need at least 2 points for every resistance level. i.e. 15kph is 70w. 25 kph is 200w for each setting. 3 or more points would be even better.

    This sounds easy enough to perform, so will complete this for TR hopefully this week - so we'll have more accurate profiles for the Tacx Satori :-)
    Any idea if the Satori power figures have been adjusted yet ?. I'm running on 5 on the turbo and the same on TR, would like to know if it's now giving more accurate results

    If TR follow the same process they did for the Jetfluid Pro - they will tweet/facebook that a new profile is available, the existing one will stay but with (obsolete) after it, allowing you to keep using it util you can do another FTP test - then start using the new profile.

    It's been fortunately (or unfortunately) dry the last two days, so rather than using the turbo, I have ventured outside.

    I guess the profiling assumes that my Satori is behaving the same as other people's... but while you are waiting, if you use the Satori TR profile on 5 but set the Turbo to resistance 6, the power figures are a lot closer.

    As a FYI... With both (TR & Turbo) Satori settings set to "Level 5", 300 watts on the PowerTap equates to roughly 375 watts on TR (and that Tracx profiling graph). I think with the 5/6 setting described above, for 300 watts on the PT, it was more like 315 watts in TR.

    TBH, as per the TR documentation, as long as you just treat the Power figures with an understanding that they are not that accurate in terms of 'real power', the power profile as they are will still work... just don't get hung up with comparing your data with other Virtual Power users.

    e.g. http://support.trainerroad.com/entries/ ... rtualpower
    VirtualPower Watts vs Power Meter Watts
    The difference between actual watts and VirtualPower watts could be just a couple, or up to 30 or so. It all depends on your rolling resistance; tire pressure and how tight your rear wheel is. The good thing is that if you keep your variables consistent, your VirtualPower watts can be the same between workouts. This means if you see an increase in watts, you know that you're getting stronger.

    You shouldn't feel too bad if your watts are really low, and you shouldn't enter the Tour if you're watts are really high. If you're using VirtualPower, just use your numbers to compare to yourself.

    We're working on a roll down test to calibrate your bike to a specific tire tension. We aren't 100% sure that we can be accurate enough to make it meaningful, but we're going to try.
    Simon
  • burtie
    burtie Posts: 154
    I'm looking for a couple of rides to do on the turbo other than sticking to the plans. which would be best sweet spot? I've the time and the winter weather gear I'd rather hit the road more but still would like to do at least 2 turbo sessions a week using trainer road to increase my general fitness.

    thanks chaps
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/100847
    I enjoyed that.....
    missed the 100,000th TR ride by 847 though
  • jezzpalmer
    jezzpalmer Posts: 389
    JGSI wrote:
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/100847
    I enjoyed that.....
    missed the 100,000th TR ride by 847 though

    I might do that, or something of that ilk, tomorrow as a recovery ride.
    I've just started a training plan which is an effort ride every other day, is it sensible to intersperse effort days with such rides, or is it better to do nothing?

    I've just done Palmer, it went well.
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/100922

    I did some comparison between TR virtual power readings and the PowerTap.
    Turbo is a Tacx Flow, which was on 2% slope and TrainerRoad was also set to 2%, the results are surprisingly accurate, but the power did wander a bit sometimes despite the same speed/gear and cadence on each of the intervals, apart from the tenth.

    Interval 1 TR/VP 241W - PT 230W - Cadence 96 | ERROR ~+5%
    Interval 2 TR/VP 240W - PT 228W - Cadence 96 | ERROR ~+5%
    Interval 3 TR/VP 241W - PT 234W - Cadence 96 | ERROR ~+3%
    Interval 4 TR/VP 241W - PT 237W - Cadence 97 | ERROR ~+1.7%
    Interval 5 TR/VP 244W - PT 245W - Cadence 97 | ERROR 0%
    Interval 6 TR/VP 238W - PT 235W - Cadence 95 | ERROR ~+1.2%
    Interval 7 TR/VP 240W - PT 230W- Cadence 96 | ERROR ~+5%
    Interval 8 TR/VP 243W - PT 239W - Cadence 97 | ERROR ~+1.7%
    Interval 9 TR/VP 241W - PT 227W- Cadence 96 | ERROR ~+6%
    Interval 10 TR/VP 277W - PT 285W- Cadence 100 | ERROR ~-3%!

    At lower powers (speeds) the error was higher (TR over reading), it seems to intersect at around 245W then TR under reads beyond.
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    Here goes, the .....

    Tacx Satori Power / Speed Test Results

    Power@ 15km/h 25km/h 35km/h 45km/h
    Resistance 1 38 70 110 145
    Resistance 2 42 75 114 159
    Resistance 3 46 95 132 186
    Resistance 4 50 112 178 250
    Resistance 5 75 150 230 320
    Resistance 6 95 192 295 375
    Resistance 7 125 240 370 480
    Resistance 8 150 295 438 560
    Resistance 9 175 347 510 660
    Resistance 10 190 365 545 720
    Simon
  • dw300
    dw300 Posts: 1,642
    Eichorn done as 1x45min at sweetspot since I've been lazy recently .. http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/101019
    All the above is just advice .. you can do whatever the f*ck you wana do!
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  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    jezzpalmer wrote:
    JGSI wrote:
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/100847
    I enjoyed that.....
    missed the 100,000th TR ride by 847 though

    I might do that, or something of that ilk, tomorrow as a recovery ride.
    I've just started a training plan which is an effort ride every other day, is it sensible to intersperse effort days with such rides, or is it better to do nothing?

    .

    The only reason I created that Zone 1 ride ( I used Strada Bianchi 2012 off Youtube and whatever flavour of music to accompany the RAI commentary) is that I dug out an old thread on someone's Golden Cheetah Performance Management chart and Alex's comment was that it contained too many null days as ride days ... and I thought the chart was actually stuffed with rides...!
    So if a coach thinks that one need s to pull one s finger out... :wink:
    Being on the turbo is not a chore for me so I will do that same ride today..however. I do have a group turbo session organised for tomorrow which will be a full on race simulation HHNF Sufferfest style.
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    Well, I had my first fail last night -
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/100977
    90 mins of Beacon was just too much, I made it just over the hour mark. I can only get on the trainer Mon - Thurs and I missed Monday this week, so that made three sessions in a row. The third, the long one, was a bridge too far; there was nothing in the legs by the end of the fourth interval.
    On a brighter note, it was the first time I've got off the trainer and felt as if I was going to puke! :roll:
    So, lesson learned, Wednseday must be a rest day! (Or I could just HTFU)

    Onwards and upwards,
    MarkP
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
    Tibia plateau fracture - the rehab continues!
  • kleinstroker
    kleinstroker Posts: 2,133
    Did Baxter yesterday, and I hated it, it looked too easy so I tried it at 105%. I did it as a fixed gear workout and I learned a few things though, my natural cadence is around 85 and anything above 100 I start to bounce around, also my saddle definitely needs replacing, as 90 minutes sat down in a turbo is numbing my nuts off!

    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/100861
  • manxshred
    manxshred Posts: 295
    I'll hopefully back on the turbo soon after an unwelcome visit from the dreaded Norovirus! While I got a good stomach muscle workout, I couldn't really do much endurance work!
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    kleinstroker wrote:
    also my saddle definitely needs replacing, as 90 minutes sat down in a turbo is numbing my nuts off!
    - If the turbo does one thing well, it's to expose a painful saddle!
    ManxShred wrote:
    While I got a good stomach muscle workout, I couldn't really do much endurance work!
    :lol::lol::lol:
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
    Tibia plateau fracture - the rehab continues!
  • markp80
    markp80 Posts: 444
    JGSI wrote:
    I dug out an old thread on someone's Golden Cheetah Performance Management chart and Alex's comment was that it contained too many null days as ride days ... and I thought the chart was actually stuffed with rides...!
    So if a coach thinks that one need s to pull one s finger out... :wink:
    Being on the turbo is not a chore for me so I will do that same ride today.
    Can you explain what you mean there, as I think I'm misunderstanding. Do you mean that rather than take a rest day, it's better to do a Zone 1 ride? (Genuine question)

    Thanks,
    MarkP
    Boardman Road Comp - OK, I went to Halfords
    Tibia plateau fracture - the rehab continues!
  • jgsi
    jgsi Posts: 5,062
    MarkP80 wrote:
    JGSI wrote:
    I dug out an old thread on someone's Golden Cheetah Performance Management chart and Alex's comment was that it contained too many null days as ride days ... and I thought the chart was actually stuffed with rides...!
    So if a coach thinks that one need s to pull one s finger out... :wink:
    Being on the turbo is not a chore for me so I will do that same ride today.
    Can you explain what you mean there, as I think I'm misunderstanding. Do you mean that rather than take a rest day, it's better to do a Zone 1 ride? (Genuine question)

    Thanks,
    MarkP

    It's all a bit of a minefield when it comes to doing how much and when and all that.
    My personal take on it is... if I have the time and capacity to keep riding day in day out then I will.
    It is dependent on the sum total of training stress and married to how I 'actually feel'.
    I am new user of Golden Cheetah and its Performance Manager tab , I am still getting my head around it... big style.

    But back to your point... if I feel like going for a ride , then I will (or do a low TSS/Bike Score workout).
  • springtide9
    springtide9 Posts: 1,731
    JGSI wrote:

    It's all a bit of a minefield when it comes to doing how much and when and all that.
    My personal take on it is... if I have the time and capacity to keep riding day in day out then I will.
    It is dependent on the sum total of training stress and married to how I 'actually feel'.
    I am new user of Golden Cheetah and its Performance Manager tab , I am still getting my head around it... big style.

    But back to your point... if I feel like going for a ride , then I will (or do a low TSS/Bike Score workout).

    You are pretty much where I am in terms of how much and how often...

    I found this pretty useful...
    http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/ ... score.aspx

    The following scale can be used as an approximate guide:
    Less than 150 - low (recovery generally complete by following day)
    150-300 - medium (some residual fatigue may be present the next day, but gone by 2nd day)
    300-450 - high (some residual fatigue may be present even after 2 days)
    Greater than 450 - very high (residual fatigue lasting several days likely)

    I was using the above as a guide and found that with a TSS of less than 100, I was pretty much fully recovered by the next day, although very hard sessions with the same TSS, seemed to have more of an impact the following day with fatigue.

    I was pretty much able to ride everyday thought the week, with alternating hard/easier days, although I also worked around the days where I knew I wasn't able to ride (e.g. so if I knew I wasn't going to be riding on Saturday, I would have a hard day on both Thursday and Friday)

    It seemed to work, and my fatigue seemed to be in-line with what the Performance Graph was showing me. I think the more you ride, the more you are able to ride.

    And if you have some form of power measurement, it's pretty easy to see if you are fatigued, as you'll start missing the targets.

    I had a couple of go's at Guyat today, with about an hours gap between them - seeing as I knew I wasn't going to be riding tomorrow...
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/101412
    http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/101444

    Have a good weekend all.... and hope that you get out on the road rather than a TR sweatfest!
    Simon

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