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If you follow TR on twitter of Facebook, you may have noticed that they have released a new profile for Cycleops Jetfluid Pro users. Tried it briefly today and VP has increased by c70 watts for same mph
Makes me feel a little better about my current FTP ;-) planning on doing a re-test on Monday.0 -
springtide9 wrote:Stueys wrote:Interval 1 (10:15) TR:351 PT:290 %Diff: +21%
Interval 2 (15:20) TR:391 PT:313 %Diff: +24%
Interval 3 (20:25) TR:352 PT:283 %Diff: +24%
Interval 7 (45:50) TR:353 PT:278 %Diff: +26%
Interval 8 (50:55) TR:331 PT:266 %Diff: +24%
I was/am trying to figure out how I could easily and accurately compare the two files to see if there was relationship between the two (anyone with any ideas?). Ideally, a bit of power smoothing would help matters.
Seems pretty consistent, actually surprisingly consistent. No idea how you can easily compare, I guess the easiest way would be to replicate the laps on the Garmin with the intervals on TR and compare NP results for the interval. Might work0 -
Well a couple of cherries popped tonight.
First stab at a Sufferfest vid (there is no try), and first play with TR. And TBH I like it, it certainly makes the turbo more interesting and less likely to quit when it hurts; though I did quit in the last 10 sec of the final sprint, fanny.
I was struggling with gears and turbo resistance to maintain the requested cadence/power so looks a bit messy in places; but then this video/routine has lots of subtle changes in power for the same cadence.
I learnt today that the Powertap G3 transmits speed and virtual cadence too, I've always used Garmin sensor before so was surprised to see TR reading speed and cadence with just the powertap paired. However the virtual cadence isn't so good, goes a bit wafty on gear changes.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97477
I forgot the HRM, but I expect it was 180-190 a lot of the time LOL.
Will get a baseline 20 min test done over the weekend; then start working towards 4w/kg.0 -
jezzpalmer wrote:Well a couple of cherries popped tonight.
First stab at a Sufferfest vid (there is no try), and first play with TR. And TBH I like it, it certainly makes the turbo more interesting and less likely to quit when it hurts; though I did quit in the last 10 sec of the final sprint, fanny.
I was struggling with gears and turbo resistance to maintain the requested cadence/power so looks a bit messy in places; but then this video/routine has lots of subtle changes in power for the same cadence.
Good one, I had a stab at There is No Try yesterday as well. http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97200
It's a great video, definitely a step up in quality from the previous ones. Give angels a go as well.
On Sufferfest (and TR) I tend to leave the turbo in one resistance setting (5 on my Satori) and then use the gears to adjust effort. Work out what your effort level 7 is and then go up or down from there. Only time I change that is if I specifically want to practice climbing, in which case I might up the resistance level on the turbo. To be honest though you can achieve the same result from going up the gears.0 -
I was generally trying to use the gears, but the ratio gaps were too big for some of the steps; so I twiddled with the resistance.
TBH I didn't watch much of the video, either head down watching the Garmin, or looking at the TR info laptop to see what was coming next.
I've decided I'm going to do the 7 week FTP raiser program, will start tomorrow if I don't venture onto the real roads.0 -
jezzpalmer wrote:I was generally trying to use the gears, but the ratio gaps were too big for some of the steps; so I twiddled with the resistance.
TBH I didn't watch much of the video, either head down watching the Garmin, or looking at the TR info laptop to see what was coming next.
I've decided I'm going to do the 7 week FTP raiser program, will start tomorrow if I don't venture onto the real roads.
err... you dont seem to have scheduled a FTP 'test' ..?
As you are using a PT wheel as least you can forget the virtual side of TR and get as accurate as poss with your workouts.
Reading some of the comparision notes on the newer posts, I do accept that TR virtual is very generous.
However, a workout is a workout and not for bragging rights0 -
JGSI wrote:err... you dont seem to have scheduled a FTP 'test' ..?
Schedule? :?
I can't just do the 20min test when I'm feeling like it?0 -
jezzpalmer wrote:JGSI wrote:err... you dont seem to have scheduled a FTP 'test' ..?
Schedule? :?
I can't just do the 20min test when I'm feeling like it?
Noooooo .. you must feel the pain......0 -
LOL.
The first and last sessions of the plan are FTP tests; which I'm looking forward to in a twisted way.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/plans/97
The only FTP test I've done (by accident) is the Rhigos climb, which took me 20:02 mins, so to do a structured one the trainer will be an adventure.0 -
jezzpalmer wrote:LOL.
The first and last sessions of the plan are FTP tests; which I'm looking forward to in a twisted way.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/plans/97
The only FTP test I've done (by accident) is the Rhigos climb, which took me 20:02 mins, so to do a structured one the trainer will be an adventure.
Its the numbers that keep you going with TR... makes fun of it all
I thought my medals were up for this year
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97890
one of the rides I made up from the new software0 -
OK just completed another quick test..
Trainer Road Virtual Power: "Tacx Satori 5" (with Tacx Satori Resistance Level 6)
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97739
Garmin Edge 800 (PowerTap)
http://www.trainingpeaks.com/av/2B5I6SQ ... XWOVB2B3WM
I used the Lap function on the Garmin to get some figures..
Interval 1 (10:11) TR:318 PT:306 %Diff: +3.9%
Interval 2 (12:14) TR:318 PT:304 %Diff: +4.6%
Interval 3 (15:20) TR:349 PT:327 %Diff: +6.7%
Interval 4 (25:26) TR:493 PT:508 %Diff: -3%
Interval 5 (28:29) TR:469 PT:476 %Diff: -1.5%
Overall, TR:274 PT:255 %Diff: +7.4%
[ I can only assume at lower power levels it's less accurate in terms of TR displaying more power ]
Now I think this is pretty close and not a bad setting.Simon0 -
JGSI wrote:
Its the numbers that keep you going with TR... makes fun of it all
I thought my medals were up for this year
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97890
one of the rides I made up from the new software
Not sure if you can explain this, but I have noticed this on a few TR rides now...
Take a look at your average power vs NP on some of the segments... I thought it was impossible for your average power to be higher than NP? Is this a bug in the software maybe? The overall ride figures look as they should.Simon0 -
What causes more tyre wear on the trainer? too much or to little roller pressure. Ive noticed my tyre start to very slightly square off, gp4000s. I assumed its caused by slipping, so i upped the roller pressure to 3 turns (satori) from 2.5 seems better, but just wanted to be sure. Anyway i did Baxter http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97820 today, started to get uncomfortable on the saddle in the last quarter, reckon i need a shorter stem aswell, enjoyed the workout though. The next one Ericsson includes 1 legged peddaling, is it worth doing the ILT parts.0
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springtide9 wrote:JGSI wrote:
Its the numbers that keep you going with TR... makes fun of it all
I thought my medals were up for this year
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97890
one of the rides I made up from the new software
Not sure if you can explain this, but I have noticed this on a few TR rides now...
Take a look at your average power vs NP on some of the segments... I thought it was impossible for your average power to be higher than NP? Is this a bug in the software maybe? The overall ride figures look as they should.
had a look..I like a bit of homework !
I think ( and only a Nate can confirm) , my take is that NP appears lower on a single segment because the Power figure annotated is a peak figure and not the average...?
When I export the tcx to Strava, then (having backchecked a number of rides) my NP is always higher (for the entire ride) than the calculated average power from Strava... as you correctly state it should be that way around.
Another point after reading up on NP, is that it is the result after considering the entire ride and not individual elements of it. again, as this is a complex area, I stand to be corrected.0 -
springtide9 wrote:OK just completed another quick test..
Trainer Road Virtual Power: "Tacx Satori 5" (with Tacx Satori Resistance Level 6)
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97739
Garmin Edge 800 (PowerTap)
http://www.trainingpeaks.com/av/2B5I6SQ ... XWOVB2B3WM
I used the Lap function on the Garmin to get some figures..
Interesting, thanks for posting. So you ran at Satori 5 on TR but actually had it set to 6?
Looks very consistent, which is great. Wonder if its the heat build up that caused the movement from start to finish?0 -
springtide9 wrote:OK just completed another quick test..
Trainer Road Virtual Power: "Tacx Satori 5" (with Tacx Satori Resistance Level 6)
I did limited testing the other day which backs this up, I ran the Flow on 0% Slope and the TR VP setting on 2% which yielded an acceptable TR power error of around +5%. The problem with this is that 0% on the Flow isn't enough resistance to generate sensible power, and TR only has VP curves for 0%, 1% and 2%; if there was a 3 or 4% VP slope it might be viable as it'd be possible to up the resistance on the Flow to 2%.
I've not done testing to check consistency yet, but will do some as I work though the training program after I've done the initial FTP test with the PT.
On another note, is it possible to have multiple TR profiles on the same laptop without it messing up the career histories of the two accounts?
If so, is it linked to the Windows profile meaning multiple user names on the laptop, or just the user name that logs into TR?0 -
I tried various download programs to try and capture youtube vid to dvd. I couldnt get any of them to work.
High tech 1- Matt 0
Pulled and tweaked and stretched the cable on my internet thingy(ffs i cant even remember what its called )moved the plug position by a few feet as well and managed to get it onto the windowsill facing the pain cave.
Ran outside with a wet nappy and... YES. We have internet in da cave
Matt 1- High Tech 1, back in the game.
Did a 3hr 25 min custom workout. Endurance with a few hills thrown in(45 mins Z4)
Watched this while doing it http://youtu.be/LyTgxeGNWNU
Pretty much perfect. There was even a bit of synching with Liquigas hitting the front 8)
Matt 2 - high tech 1, can no one stop him?
Well actually yes they can. All completed fine -shower food etc. Time to admire my prowess :oops:
All fine on the offline program, clicked on the View Online button and.....WTF http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/98206
7 Goddamn minutes????? Me no happy
High Tech scores 3 goals in the last 5 mins, breaks my leg, whips down my shorts and posts the pictures online.
I wouldn't have minded so much with a 1hr workout. :shock: :evil: :roll: :twisted:
Please embarass (sp?)me by telling me something dead easy to sort it. PLEASE.Death or Glory- Just another Story0 -
OK , you will have to write off your custom ride... sadly....
To download YouTubes... install Firefox and then get a YouTube downloader add on... simplest solution.
When online make sure TR is fully up to date.. you custom workout published and visible.
You can then go offline if need be to complete a workout.
It looked like your ride aborted due to signal loss from PT?
Confirm that your Garmin usb stick or alternative is recognised in TR app and when you are riding the workout keep eyes on the TR workout window to show current power and HR output... if any drops then pause workout to check things.
Again.. as advised to another user get a FTP test done so that your levels can be set correctly.
Try again with shorter workouts just to get your hw issues resolved.0 -
Yeah thanks JGSI guessed i may have to bite the bullet on that one.
My 705 worked fine so the data is on the other sites i cant bring myself to stop using :roll:
Also the offline trainerroad program worked ok, so maybe more of an issue with it getting transferred to t'interweb?? Maybe one for NATE??
Have some LT scheduled so will convert that to a test, although obv i've done various ftp testing just not on trainerroad.
Dont really need to convert to dvd now, but thanks anyway.Death or Glory- Just another Story0 -
Stueys wrote:springtide9 wrote:OK just completed another quick test..
Trainer Road Virtual Power: "Tacx Satori 5" (with Tacx Satori Resistance Level 6)
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/97739
Garmin Edge 800 (PowerTap)
http://www.trainingpeaks.com/av/2B5I6SQ ... XWOVB2B3WM
I used the Lap function on the Garmin to get some figures..
Interesting, thanks for posting. So you ran at Satori 5 on TR but actually had it set to 6?
Looks very consistent, which is great. Wonder if its the heat build up that caused the movement from start to finish?
Yes exactly that....
- Satori 5 on TR but actually had it set to 6 on the Turbo.
One other observation in the differences in Power, is that the PowerTap is measuring power based on actual effort, compared to TR which is measuring Power based on speed.
Although when the turbo is at a constant speed this probably works OK, it takes a lot of effort/power to accelerate for the intervals; the PT will show a fast ramp/spike to a high wattage and then probably a drop off once up to speed; but as TR is based on speed alone, so there will be just a slow ramp up while accelerating.
Hope that makes sense....
This probably explains the % difference values are negative when over 400 watts; although not tested, I believe this difference is because the segments are short, so the PT is measuring high for the fast acceleration to get up to speed, where as the TR is just measuring speed and not acceleration?
I did Monitor this afternoon:
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/98335
And used the same setting as before... TR seemed to track the PT pretty well if still reading a little higher.... I think it's good enough to switch my wheels around so that I can use the PT on the road.(if it ever stops raining!)Simon0 -
You may have to log a support request with the TR team about the 705 usage as I am using the Garmin stick and the only issue I get is sometimes poor to bad signals from the Garmin GSC10 even though the batteries are fresh and the laptop a mere couple of feet away... annoying when the workout pauses and restarts - deeply so when trying to push a big gear sprint...
Nate may miss your question on here.0 -
Not perfect but...
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/98206
On the offline program when you click on a workout so you can view the notes etc, there is a facebook icon on the right hand side. Underneath that is what looks like a keypad. Re-sysncing possible here. So the data is now there although the main graph has still not synced correctly.Interestingly if you click on my username then you can see the graphs looking normal when in the list(only 2 atm)
Will probably try to re-sync a few times each day until maybe...
Anyhoo- feeling a bit better now.
Luddite me?maybe i'm learning slowly
Death or Glory- Just another Story0 -
3.5hr turbo session .. brutal!All the above is just advice .. you can do whatever the f*ck you wana do!
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Just did Eichorn, felt pretty easy to be fair...not sure if this is the aim of that particular workout?....its aimed at sweetspot power....
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/98453
not sure if i should go to 101-102% or carry on and let TR up the intensity when it thinks it should be upped?0 -
Yeh, Eichorn shouldn't feel too taxing.
I just failed my first FTP test .. http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/98486. Not overly surprising as I've dropped to about 50 miles a week. Popped after 12 minutes.
All the above is just advice .. you can do whatever the f*ck you wana do!
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At least yours was from over training: http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/96812
It was horrible. I battled to maintain the warmup and recovery pace. Should have stopped earlier.
I think I am coming down with the same thing that kept me off the bike for 4 weeks in September.0 -
There is a real danger of falling into the trap at this time of year (unless your are still racing xss) of doing too much all the time ... because you have to syndrome.
Nothing wrong in doing a chill out turbo once a week.
Having said that, I am organising a full on training session at my work on Saturday with HHNF.. I have prewarned participants of the need to turn up with good legs.0 -
Did a longer run on the new Cycleops JetfluidPro profile yesterday - graph came out weird and didn't look like that during workout (Nate is investigating).
Was going to re-test this morning, but slept in after a heavy weekend!
I'm liking the new profile though!
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/982610 -
Did Eichorn this evening:
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/98914
Enjoyed it and a nice ride if you are not feeling up to a Sufferfest. I'm not sure the 'rest' segment really needs to drop so low, so just eased off rather than a complete rest.Simon0 -
Did the 8 minute test this morning, despite feeling under the weather (cold) to re-baseline using the new JetFluid Pro profile.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/99169
As you can see, I kind of lost it midway through the second interval but managed to bring it back a little.
FTP was 165, now recommended at 247 - I'm under no illusion that the bulk of that is down to the new (hopefully more accurate!) virtual power profile for my turbo.0
