Tdf Stage 4 *Spoiler*

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I bet Brailsford will spin around in his chair, stroking a long haired white cat and say "you see, I told you that you should've taken Pate, bwhahahaha"

    Or something
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Are we going to see the return of Corneymeade (sp?) could do with a bit of a laugh after that stage!
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Cav now in a position where abandoning is a real possibility. Can't see Sagan losing that many points on the pure sprint stages and will make back what he loses on the puncheur finishes - green is his if he gets to Paris.
  • okgo
    okgo Posts: 4,368
    iainf72 wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    So question :

    Sagan can seemingly win these hill finishes with ease, we've seen the data, not a stupid number of watts that is out of reach of most of the sprinty types I'm sure, so why is it that people can't challenge him? Is it because he has the power of a sprinter but can get over the hills in a good position? Or is it something else? Surely Cav could lay down 1200 watts on a hill finish, is it just because he gets dropped on the hills that he can't manage it?

    Just trying to be methodical about Sagan's dominance...

    It's because he can climb better. If your remember Bettini, he could do similar, and they said when he sprinted he put down a huge amount of power.

    But Sagan only puts down what you'd expect from a someone half decent at sprinting (the data is on twitter, peak yesterday was just over 1200 watts, 970 watts for last 15 secs, which is big given the stage, but a number that I'd expect most other sprinter types to be able to manage), so its because he is still in contention come the finish? So maybe he just has a better 5-20 min power than Cav etc?
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
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  • dsoutar
    dsoutar Posts: 1,746
    okgo wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    dsoutar wrote:
    okgo wrote:
    Not sure why Sagan needed to cut right in and shoulder someone right at the end, he wasn't going to better his position in doing so...

    'cos he's practicing being a t0sser like Ferrari

    Had a look at the replay - he does nt touch anyone, just tucks back in to the slipstream...

    Look again. He comes right back over and pushes into someone (dunno who it was)

    The reason lotto train looks so good is because they're the only ones who've bothered with one!

    Thanks - glad it wasn't just me who thought so. I called it how I saw it but didn't have the benefit of a replay so was prepared to accept that I hadn't seen it correctly
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    The Mad Rapper wrote:
    Cav down.
    Perhaps if he’s going to be left to his own resources (no train), Cavendish needs to ride further forward from farther out, if only to avoid crashes.
    Harder work sometimes though, as more easily exposed. It’s what some other sprinters without much in the way of a train do - and it also explains why they rarely win, just place.
    Pross wrote:
    Cav now in a position where abandoning is a real possibility.
    From the beginning I've never seen Cavendish getting to Paris this year; he and Sky both have other priorities. He could even be a liability to Sky in the mountains.
  • rebs
    rebs Posts: 891
    Don't see how he'll be a liability. He'll simply get blown out the back and forgoten about soon as they go upwards.

    Crashes are just unlucky at times. Not everyone can or need teammatces about. Having a train doesn't make you invinciple to crashes. Think all the sprinters in the past 2 years have hit the deck several times in the final run in.
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    This will be forgotten when he wins tomorrow. 8)
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  • dabber
    dabber Posts: 1,978
    How long are Wiggins and Cavendish contracted to Sky?

    Do you reckon Cavendish will stay with Sky if Wiggins pulls off the TdeF GC this year and then continues next year?
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Voeckler is thinking about abandoning. He's got terrible pain under his jaw from when he tried to gurning a few days ago.

    Or his knee is wrecked. I can't remember which.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Le Commentateur
    Le Commentateur Posts: 4,099
    That's a shame, I was looking forward to seeing his unique dancing-on-the-pedals samba next week.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Dabber wrote:
    How long are Wiggins and Cavendish contracted to Sky?

    Do you reckon Cavendish will stay with Sky if Wiggins pulls off the TdeF GC this year and then continues next year?

    Cavendish has a 3 year deal on silly money. He's not going anywhere.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    This is a very short thread for a sprint where Cavendish crashed/didn't win...
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    He's too fat, old, slow or naive and if he was thinner, bigger, stronger, younger or better he wouldn't have crashed. Simple as that.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    nweststeyn wrote:
    He's too fat, old, slow or naive and if he was thinner, bigger, stronger, younger or better he wouldn't have crashed. Simple as that.

    Greipel's fatter
    Petacchi's older
    Goss is slower
    and Sagan is more naive

    but they didn't crash.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    This thread has meant I need to update my system.

    Cav not winning because of a crash caused by his team mate = fewer posts than Cavendish winning
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Cav will stay in as long as there is a sniff of a win and his presence isn't detrimental to the main goal of the team.
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  • Will.C
    Will.C Posts: 245
    Yeah can't see cav giving up the chance to win on the champs in rainbow bands as long he makes it through mountain stages and Sky don't cause him to miss the cutoff by smashing it at the front.
  • PBo
    PBo Posts: 2,493
    iainf72 wrote:
    This thread has meant I need to update my system.

    Cav not winning because of a crash caused by his team mate = fewer posts than Cavendish winning

    maybe because it was a crash, rather than needing analysis to the nth degree of why he didn't win. not much to say really.....
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    PBo wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    This thread has meant I need to update my system.

    Cav not winning because of a crash caused by his team mate = fewer posts than Cavendish winning

    maybe because it was a crash, rather than needing analysis to the nth degree of why he didn't win. not much to say really.....

    I don't think there is a need to update the system Iain. Cav's crash didn't happen in the final sprint which would have brought it up to the requisite amount of pages as to blame apportionment.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Well the determining factor, I reckon, is the lack of a Cav-troll. Usually the bulk of the pages are telling him to Rack Off!!!*

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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    ddraver wrote:
    Well the determining factor, I reckon, is the lack of a Cav-troll. Usually the bulk of the pages are telling him to Rack Off!!!*

    (*modmin friendly language)


    Didn't think of that. Do you think generally they are in decline like bees or sparrows? No heavyweight Cav troll since Cornoyemade. Perhaps he was shot and stuffed and is now on display in the oak panelled dining room of Modmin Towers. :lol:
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  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
    I am appointing myself the forums new Jan Ghyselinck Troll! I'll be there to judge everytime the Cofidis rider finished 5 minutes back in a group of tired looking domestiques.

    Fat idiot!
  • nweststeyn
    nweststeyn Posts: 1,574
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    Obese.
  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    Yellow Peril wrote:
    Cav will stay in as long as there is a sniff of a win and his presence isn't detrimental to the main goal of the team.
    Yeh, your 'detrimental' is what I mean with 'liability'.
    Eisel might be more a rider for one-day races nowadays, but in his youth he was a hill-climb specialist, so in that sense when they reach the real mountains, this year he's better being the first part part of Wiggins' climbing team rather than hanging around at the back trying to get Cavendish over the hills, like in the past.
    Cavendish will tag on to the gruppetto, but we know sometimes he's needed Eisel to even do this. I don't think Cavendish will be eliminated, I think he'll drop out with Prud'homme's permission about the Pyrenees, maybe after the sprint finish at Pau (he can't really leave beforehand, now that Sitsou's gone).
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Cavendish will keep going to Paris - I've never thought he won't. It'll keep him sharp for the Surrey Classic. And as long as he's not sulking, he can do things for the team. As far as the Green Jersey is concerned - he'll probably keep going for it until the first rest day and then reassess the situation. If Sagan is 50+ points ahead, he'll probably knock the intermediates on the head.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Dutch journos reporting Cav "exploded" in a rage on the bus afterwards. Could hear him a good way from the bus apparently
    _
  • shakey88
    shakey88 Posts: 289
    iainf72 wrote:
    This thread has meant I need to update my system.

    Cav not winning because of a crash caused by his team mate = fewer posts than Cavendish winning


    Don't know where you got the idea that eisel caused the crash? He seems to think it was goss.

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/07/ ... out_227548

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