TdF 2012 Stage 1 **Spoilers**
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iainf72 wrote:Seriously, have you guys ever watched cycling before?
I bet Cancellara thinks Sagan played it smart and thinks he's a worthy winner.
Absolutely, it's bike racing and it's history now. They're thinking about tomorrow, not what should have been today.0 -
Rundfahrt wrote:Cancellara, knowing that finishing in the bunch would keep the jersey, should have sat up and let Sagan give the win away since he would not ride.
HE tried that. And Sagan knew he was bluffing. Sure enough, he pushed on again.
I say again Cancellara bet that nobody could hold his wheel. Wasn't the case."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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zammmmo wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Sagan = wanker
Go cancellera. There is a heavyweight.
agreed. cancellara the moral victor. sagan need expect no favours now....
epic last 1-2 km.
Seriously? Cancellara rides like a dork whenever he does this stuff. If he isn't solo, he should stop riding.0 -
Sagan - Why would he ride it's Cancellara who wants the time not sagan.....Sagan is Class there are not many riders like that intoday's peleton.0
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disgruntledgoat wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:Cancellara, knowing that finishing in the bunch would keep the jersey, should have sat up and let Sagan give the win away since he would not ride.
HE tried that. And Sagan knew he was bluffing. Sure enough, he pushed on again.
I say again Cancellara bet that nobody could hold his wheel. Wasn't the case.
No, he didn't. He slowed down, but never thought of completely giving it up to the bunch.0 -
TakeTheHighRoad wrote:This may end up being wrong, but I'm convinced Sagan will disappoint today, for a few reasons.
- It's his first TDF and the speed in the bunch is faster than any other race. This stage is also a long one at 198km
- The field he was up against in California and Switzerland was no where near as strong as the one he'll be up against today.
- He looked much too keen yesterday, and I can see him trying a Banzai move and falling off.
- The Belgians, and especially Gilbert will be fired up for this stage.
Now watch the action unfold and prove me wrong.
:P :P :P
Seriously, I do't know why people still think Sagan is "too young" He's been at the sharp end of every big race this year!
Great Ride Sagan, The shouting at the TV has started, glad the housemates were nt here, they have nt seen me like this before!!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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iainf72 wrote:Seriously, have you guys ever watched cycling before?
I bet Cancellara thinks Sagan played it smart and thinks he's a worthy winner.
I think Sagan rode a tactically adept race. Am a bit surprised by FF's venom TBH. I know he doesn't like wheelsuckers, but I thought Sagan rode well. I felt like I'd been told off when I read FF's rant
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Rundfahrt wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:Cancellara, knowing that finishing in the bunch would keep the jersey, should have sat up and let Sagan give the win away since he would not ride.
HE tried that. And Sagan knew he was bluffing. Sure enough, he pushed on again.
I say again Cancellara bet that nobody could hold his wheel. Wasn't the case.
No, he didn't. He slowed down, but never thought of completely giving it up to the bunch.
Exactly. He wanted to win too. He tried brazen Sagan into working and Sagan knew exactly what was happening."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Personally I think anyone who doesn't time trial their way to the victory from the starting flag isn't a worthy winner.
Also, what is Wiggo playing at finishing safely in the bunch? Lightweight.0 -
In the final, Sagan was the only guy who could hold onto Chinny's wheel. As AFX puts it, when Chinny needs to stop riding like a dork
But if I was Chinny, I may have thought "Sagan might fail in the final and I could win, if the group come back I won't win" So he took a chance.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:Rundfahrt wrote:Cancellara, knowing that finishing in the bunch would keep the jersey, should have sat up and let Sagan give the win away since he would not ride.
HE tried that. And Sagan knew he was bluffing. Sure enough, he pushed on again.
I say again Cancellara bet that nobody could hold his wheel. Wasn't the case.
No, he didn't. He slowed down, but never thought of completely giving it up to the bunch.
Exactly. He wanted to win too. He tried brazen Sagan into working and Sagan knew exactly what was happening.
You claim one thing, then I point out that he did not do it and then you say "exactly?!?" Taking all options I see. :roll:
Like I said, he should have just let Sagan screw himself out of a win.0 -
iainf72 wrote:In the final, Sagan was the only guy who could hold onto Chinny's wheel. As AFX puts it, when Chinny needs to stop riding like a dork
But if I was Chinny, I may have thought "Sagan might fail in the final and I could win, if the group come back I won't win" So he took a chance.
In other words, "if Chinny hasn't watched any bike racing in the last 2 years"
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Rundfahrt wrote:Cancellara, knowing that finishing in the bunch would keep the jersey, should have sat up and let Sagan give the win away since he would not ride.
Sagan would have won from that group, wouldn't have made any difference.0 -
Tactically Sagan did right, Cancellara did wrong. Not sure about Sagan's celebration after winning that way though.
Great stuff from the first 3.0 -
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Turfle wrote:...Cancellara did wrong. ...
Why?
Sure he could have finished comfortably in the bunch, but that's not him and I can't see what is wrong about finishing a fighting 2nd. Have I missed something?0 -
peterst6906 wrote:Turfle wrote:...Cancellara did wrong. ...
Why?
Sure he could have finished comfortably in the bunch, but that's not him and I can't see what is wrong about finishing a fighting 2nd. Have I missed something?
Because he's done the same thing a million times now. Everyone knows they can sit on his wheel, and he'll tow them to the line. Sure he'll throw in a bluff or two, but then he'll get right back to riding.
At some point he has to sit up entirely, even if it means throwing a possible win away.0 -
Sure Sagan was tactically good (tactics here = wheel suck and don't lose your nerve when a patron is asking you to come through). Sure he did superb to be ahead of all but fabu. Ebh rode very strongly too. But I hate it when people win like that and I feel for fabu. I was hoping he would stop - that would have been class.
And what about that celebration? You lot thought it was cool? Classless and inappropriate given he didn't show the strength.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Im with FF... I think Contador was the true champion today!0
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Cilian Kelly making everyone feel old by pointing out that Sagan is the first winner of a TdF stage who was born in in the 1990's
I don't think I'm ever going to be a pro racer am I? It's the end of a dream...
This is just an awesome save (from yesterday) - http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube ... KM&yr=2012 - Go MTBers!! We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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nweststeyn wrote:Im with FF... I think Contador was the true champion today!
Yeah. He overtakes people in the final, lets them ride in his draft so they distance those behind then let's them come round for the win.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Sagan in Green?“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Still Cancellara, but Sagan will wear it.0
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Turfle wrote:Because he's done the same thing a million times now. Everyone knows they can sit on his wheel, and he'll tow them to the line. Sure he'll throw in a bluff or two, but then he'll get right back to riding.
At some point he has to sit up entirely, even if it means throwing a possible win away.
A judgement about him being tactically wrong is based on your opinion of what he should be trying to achieve.
He has raced this same way for the last few years and clearly still sees it in his best interest to maintain it. Just because his approach doesn't match your opinion doesn't make him wrong.0 -
Turfle wrote:Still Cancellara, but Sagan will wear it.
Of course. Forgot about the prologue. Doh!“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
frenchfighter wrote:You lot thought it was cool? Classless and inappropriate given he didn't show the strength.
I thought it was a totally classless celebration, but he's still only a kid. At 22, you could hardly expect him to be humble.0 -
Sure Sagan was tactically good (tactics here = wheel suck and don't lose your nerve when a patron is asking you to come through). Sure he did superb to be ahead of all but fabu.
Make your mind up. I'm not going to let you forget the 'wanker' comment.0 -
peterst6906 wrote:Turfle wrote:Because he's done the same thing a million times now. Everyone knows they can sit on his wheel, and he'll tow them to the line. Sure he'll throw in a bluff or two, but then he'll get right back to riding.
At some point he has to sit up entirely, even if it means throwing a possible win away.
A judgement about him being tactically wrong is based on your opinion of what he should be trying to achieve.
He has raced this same way for the last few years and clearly still sees it in his best interest to maintain it. Just because his approach doesn't match your opinion doesn't make him wrong.
Honestly? On a message board?
In my opinion, Cancellara got it tactically wrong.0
