USADA files doping charges against Lance

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  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    tarzan13 wrote:
    A strange response if you ask me, unless they are after some other big fish...

    "[If Armstrong had of] come in and been truthful, then the evidence might have been that the statute [of limitations] should apply," Tygart said.

    Tygart also explained that the Agency was willing to talk to Armstrong should he ever want to reconsider his stance.

    "We always remain open, because while the truth hurts, ultimately, from what we have seen in these types of cases, acknowledging the truth is the best way forward," he said.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-a ... -tour-wins

    See also viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12874120&start=320
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    interesting read....

    Lance Armstrong Case: Dr. Michael Ashenden on EPO
    http://seamusoriley.blogspot.co.uk/2012 ... chael.html
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I've regularly seen Armstrong say "I did not dope" and answering "no" to the question "did you take PED's."
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  • knedlicky
    knedlicky Posts: 3,097
    DNQ wrote:
    andy_wrx wrote:
    ddraver wrote:
    I forget where but somebody pointed out that he still has nt actually said he never doped and rode all the Tours clean!
    I don't remember him categorically saying he has never doped.
    You're not wrong, ... Most tested athlete/500 tests may well be spin, but he was tested hundreds of times, the most conservative estimate I have heard is 350.
    June 2012: "I have never doped, and, unlike many of my accusers, I have ... passed more than 500 drug tests and never failed one" (Armstrong quote)

    So there you are re 'never doped'.
    The USADA, which tests athletes in the USA, has records of only 29 drug tests for Armstrong since 2001, so one wonders where all the other alleged tests were done, especially since LA usually only raced 30-35 days a year outside the USA and probably trained for only that many days each year outside the USA too.
  • mercsport
    mercsport Posts: 664
    It's late, fighting the demons and fugitive thoughts surface and flit here and there....

    ...it's a long shot but, perhaps Armstrong has all along been speaking in the metaphoric sense in his references to 'never failed over 500 drug tests', and that it was the number of times - many of which under the tutelage of Ferrari - he cranked-up with the exotic substances, transfusions and the like. Each time it would have been a 'test' of the efficacy of the stimulant and none of them 'failed'. :roll:

    Well, it's a mad enough world today.

    Time to rest ....
    "Lick My Decals Off, Baby"
  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    HA you thought we'd forgotten didnt you? Page 2 indeed. You can't pr your way out of this dopestrong?
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    FYI

    Hamilton says Armstrong gave him EPO before 1999 Tour de France
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hamilto ... -de-france

    Hamilton explains that his own drug use began before Armstrong joined the team in 1998 but that Armstrong provided him with EPO shortly before the 1999 Tour de France. Hamilton was with Armstrong at the latter's home in Nice, France at the time. He also details the doping plan for the team during the race, which he alleges took place with Armstrong's knowledge, which included a motorcyclist travelling behind the convoy with a thermos of EPO that would be given to the riders following the stage. Hamilton also says that team management encouraged and supervised the use of PEDs and that they were distributed in white lunch bags.

    Before the 2000 Tour de France, Armstrong, Hamilton and another teammate Kevin Livingstone went to Spain to have their blood drawn by Dr. Luis Garcia del Moral and Jose "Pepe" Martí. The blood bags were later returned to the rider's hotel rooms, taped to a wall above their beds where the contents were to be re-injected.
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    Surely this must put pressure on UCI

    French Cycling Federation praises USADA's actions in Armstrong case
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french- ... trong-case

    Interesting recommendation
    The FFC also made a recommendation of what should happen to Armstrong's seven Tour de France titles, as well as the prize money he received for those victories.

    "The FCC wants the vacant positions of Lance Armstrong not to be reassigned, leaving blank the palmares of the Tour de France for seven years and thus avoiding all polemics as to the credibility of eventual winners.

    "The FCC wants reimbursement of Lance Armstrong's prizes obtained during the Tour de France and other competitions for an amount assessed at 2.95 million Euros for the development of cycling among the youth and the prevention of doping."
  • deejay
    deejay Posts: 3,138
    tarzan13 wrote:
    Surely this must put pressure on UCI

    French Cycling Federation praises USADA's actions in Armstrong case
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french- ... trong-case

    Interesting recommendation
    The FFC also made a recommendation of what should happen to Armstrong's seven Tour de France titles, as well as the prize money he received for those victories.

    "The FCC wants the vacant positions of Lance Armstrong not to be reassigned, leaving blank the palmares of the Tour de France for seven years and thus avoiding all polemics as to the credibility of eventual winners.

    "The FCC wants reimbursement of Lance Armstrong's prizes obtained during the Tour de France and other competitions for an amount assessed at 2.95 million Euros for the development of cycling among the youth and the prevention of doping."

    Armstrong would need a collection box to go around his Ex team mates for their shares of the Ill gotten gains.

    I can't see him paying back 3 million $ and with luck the French could bring a court case to retrieve that money.


    dennison must have jumped in Lake Erie to drown himself. :lol:
    Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 1972
  • Stretch0212
    Stretch0212 Posts: 15
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/19433990
    Looks like some of the evidence will come out before the others trials. Also gives a good counter to those arguing about statute of limitations.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Even Sheryl Crow was questioned

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sheryl- ... 0&ns_fee=0

    Is Bruyneel still going for arbitration? If so, surely all the evidence will come out then?
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • bipedal
    bipedal Posts: 466
    iainf72 wrote:
    Even Sheryl Crow was questioned

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sheryl- ... 0&ns_fee=0

    Is Bruyneel still going for arbitration? If so, surely all the evidence will come out then?

    Last word from the hog was along the lines of "it's all so unfair, I'm considering my options, my lawyers advise me not to say anything more"
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    bipedal wrote:

    Last word from the hog was along the lines of "it's all so unfair, I'm considering my options, my lawyers advise me not to say anything more"

    As I see it, the others going for arbitration is the huge risk for Armstrong. There will probably come a tipping point where he'll have to say something or appear even more ridiculous than he does at the moment
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,550
    iainf72 wrote:
    bipedal wrote:

    Last word from the hog was along the lines of "it's all so unfair, I'm considering my options, my lawyers advise me not to say anything more"

    As I see it, the others going for arbitration is the huge risk for Armstrong. There will probably come a tipping point where he'll have to say something or appear even more ridiculous than he does at the moment

    This is the really intriguing bit. What does Bruyneel think he can gain from this?
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  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    Is he going to be banned for life by USADA if he doesn't go into arbitration? Presumably, he thinks he might get a reduction on his ban...
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    bipedal wrote:

    Last word from the hog was along the lines of "it's all so unfair, I'm considering my options, my lawyers advise me not to say anything more"

    As I see it, the others going for arbitration is the huge risk for Armstrong. There will probably come a tipping point where he'll have to say something or appear even more ridiculous than he does at the moment

    This is the really intriguing bit. What does Bruyneel think he can gain from this?

    I think Johan's decision to go for it is going to be something he might review. Same as Marti, who went one way then the other, he might review that again too. ...Im not entirely sure, but assessing the best thing to do must be very difficult for them, not knowing the UCIs direction on it, the evidence and hearsay of what the evidence is etc, public perceptions... it all seems like a state of flux at the moment.

    I could be wrong, but some of these people might back out of Arbitration yet.
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Bruyneel & Armstrong's line of defence below

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw :mrgreen:
  • ReesA
    ReesA Posts: 62
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    What does Bruyneel think he can gain from this?

    Good question. What does he gain from stalling?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    ReesA wrote:
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    What does Bruyneel think he can gain from this?

    Good question. What does he gain from stalling?

    Time. Next question is: For what? I'm sort of under the impression that it's something of human nature to want to postpone the "inevitable", for lack of a better word.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    iainf72 wrote:
    Even Sheryl Crow was questioned

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sheryl- ... 0&ns_fee=0

    Is Bruyneel still going for arbitration? If so, surely all the evidence will come out then?
    Why are they interviewing Sheryl Crow? All she wants to do is have some fun. And I don't believe that she's the only one.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    RichN95 wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Even Sheryl Crow was questioned

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sheryl- ... 0&ns_fee=0

    Is Bruyneel still going for arbitration? If so, surely all the evidence will come out then?
    Why are they interviewing Sheryl Crow? All she wants to do is have some fun. And I don't believe that she's the only one.

    Hmm, her times on Alpe d'Huez were a bit suspicious though...
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,241
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Even Sheryl Crow was questioned

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sheryl- ... 0&ns_fee=0

    Is Bruyneel still going for arbitration? If so, surely all the evidence will come out then?
    Why are they interviewing Sheryl Crow? All she wants to do is have some fun. And I don't believe that she's the only one.

    Hmm, her times on Alpe d'Huez were a bit suspicious though...
    But she has a training plan for that specifically tailored to hairpin bends. Every day is a winding road.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    RichN95 wrote:
    But she has a training plan for that specifically tailored to hairpin bends. Every day is a winding road.

    Defo, she wasn't just there to "soak up the sun".
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841
    RichN95 wrote:
    greasedscotsman wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    Even Sheryl Crow was questioned

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sheryl- ... 0&ns_fee=0

    Is Bruyneel still going for arbitration? If so, surely all the evidence will come out then?
    Why are they interviewing Sheryl Crow? All she wants to do is have some fun. And I don't believe that she's the only one.

    Hmm, her times on Alpe d'Huez were a bit suspicious though...
    But she has a training plan for that specifically tailored to hairpin bends. Every day is a winding road.

    Genius! :lol:

    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey
  • tarzan13
    tarzan13 Posts: 78
    Tyler Hamilton's book reveals in-depth doping network
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/tyl ... ng-network
  • IanLD
    IanLD Posts: 423
    Hope MorayGub is OK. He hasn't even been on for a month now.

    Not as much fun without him and BB...
  • LeicesterLad
    LeicesterLad Posts: 3,908
    Crow and Kristin Armstrong testified against lance. USADA has new positive samples that were kept hidden. Breaking news on France2 and via @nyvelocity
    http://www.twitter.com/InTheGC http://www.InTheGC.com http://www.facebook.com/intheGC
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    If the France 2 thing is right, then this just went into overdrive
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    Peeps always said that his ex would be the key....Oh Lance, Lance, Kik AND Sheryl....the betrayal, how could they...

    AND apparently USADA have new positive samples
  • Beatmaker
    Beatmaker Posts: 1,092
    Now it gets really interesting.

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