USADA files doping charges against Lance
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Meanwhile, somewhere in Michigan (or wherever), Mrs Elizabeth Andreu is sitting in front of her dressing table mirror, trying on her brand new, shiny halo for size, knowing she's going to sleep soundly tonight.
Bless you Betsy- you stuck with it all thru thick and thin, true to yourself.0 -
iainf72 wrote:If LA sticks to his "not going to fight it" line well....where does that leave things?
If he won't defend against it, but JB etc do....
Too early to say, but he's making his usual noises.
I'lll be honest - something super exciting about a conspiracy being unravlled - especially in a sport you've followed so closely.0 -
TheStone wrote:But why did the FBI give up? Surely this is massive fraud against a number of high profile american companies?
public interest... ?
criminal case in the courts.... Larry is such a hero, this way everyone who is a fanbois can still pretend it was just the haters. Do those sponsors want the negative publicity...I think they would prefer a coverup or at least a non criminal case.
because unfortunately I think the worst[best?] thing that can happen is armstrong is banned from sport and those tours get an asterix. And the sport is going to get a very severe kicking financially as well I suspect.
And then Its over"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
iainf72 wrote:If LA sticks to his "not going to fight it" line well....where does that leave things?
If he won't defend against it, but JB etc do....
It doesn't sound like he'll stick to that line at the minute, I'm guessing, USADA don't really have any power to actually make him turn up and face charges. But at the same time, anti-doping organisations don't have as high a requirement for "proof". Therefore, any absence would probably get treated as an admission of guilt.
I also think that when Lance said he would fight it, he gambled on letters like that not being leaked, and possibly, less serious allegations. Weren't his words, "if I lose a couple of tour wins so be it"? not, if I'm implicated in a massive doping conspiracy, I'll just shut my eyes and hope it all goes away
You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:They're running with that 2001 Swiss positive too, and that Armstrong encouraged others to too.
Are there any riders who were contacted that we don't know yet?
Hamilton, Landis, Hincape.
I'm thinking Horner and Leipheimer. They were both on the 2010 RS TDF team and the letter says every US rider they spoke to co-operated. Puts some fuel on the fire with regards to the Horner snub too.0 -
If they're going with possession do we think Mrs Armstrong gave up some info?
She'd be the one to know. Just finished Bjarne's book and he kept in the fridge in pretty plain sight so I'd expect USPS boys did as well.
Always said they either ran it very clean or didn't tell all the facts to those who left. Ever noticed how many ex USPS riders failed dope control?0 -
Wow. Top story on Radio5 news. (not just sport!)
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Good old BBC website - Armstrong was born in PIANO texas ????? is that near PLANO 0
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ratsbeyfus wrote:Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Redknapp has left Spurs! Damn you evil ying yang God!
I'm also a bit upset about this. But then I'm an Arsenal fan.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
afx237vi wrote:. Puts some fuel on the fire with regards to the Horner snub too.
thats an evil thought"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Anyone want to send the suspects an e-mail?... their addresses are all there....
The Myth doesn't have an email listed.
This is heavy heavy stuffIt's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
mididoctors wrote:afx237vi wrote:. Puts some fuel on the fire with regards to the Horner snub too.
thats an evil thought
Not beyond the bounds of believability though, is it?0 -
Right, read the pdf now.
Jaw dropped.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o
I think its good for the sport to prosecute dopers.. Is lance innocent or guilty? I don't know.. don't really care.
It would be a scandal of epic proportions if he was stripped of his TDF wins though...0 -
Frank only pays money for training plans. The UCI even looked into it0
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Why does Pepe Marti get his copy through a c/o the UCI?
Can't they find him?
Huge implications in this for all current Radioshack-Nissan-Trek riders as well.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Where does all this leave Contador and his 2007 Disco Tour?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0
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ALIHISGREAT wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg2u_De8j5o
I think its good for the sport to prosecute dopers.. Is lance innocent or guilty? I don't know.. don't really care.
It would be a scandal of epic proportions if he was stripped of his TDF wins though...
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So...........moving on...........will Horner be riding this year's Tour?
Em.....no, scrub that..........how thrilled will Team Type One be when they get Radio Shack's place?0 -
No tA Doctor wrote:Why does Pepe Marti get his copy through a c/o the UCI?
Can't they find him?
Huge implications in this for all current Radioshack-Nissan-Trek riders as well.
Wouldn't like to see it but surely the UCI \ ASO can't let this team start the Tour after all the managemet are implicated in this0 -
the real problem for LA is that no-one believes him anymore.......0
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afx237vi wrote:mididoctors wrote:afx237vi wrote:. Puts some fuel on the fire with regards to the Horner snub too.
thats an evil thought
Not beyond the bounds of believability though, is it?
no it isnt"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:
they have to be careful not to get sucked into a media war here"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Timoid. wrote:Where does all this leave Contador and his 2007 Disco Tour?
there is no letter sent to him so I assume......"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
afx237vi wrote:sherer wrote:Frank only pays money for training plans. The UCI even looked into it
Which is more than Frank's gynaecologist ever looked into...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2GZDjQTHGQ
It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
This news has made my day/evening. Up to now I thought LA would happily go to his grave without ever definitely being found guilty – even if he foolishly didn’t realise that no one would ever bother or think to go to his funeral.
As far as I understand it, the statute of limitations in any land is purely to do with legal and tax aspects. However, it doesn’t mean the UCI can’t strip LA of earlier victories because they aren’t bound by such rules.
It could also mean French authorities decide to take up a legal case against him, although that might be more complicated since their present statute of limitations is for most instances 5 years but up to 2008 it was 30 years. I don’t know how they handle cases which were within 30 years ago but over 5 years ago.0 -
afx237vi wrote:sherer wrote:Frank only pays money for training plans. The UCI even looked into it
Which is more than Frank's gynaecologist ever looked into...
der der de dum disssh"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
