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fwiw my opinion;
I'm not certain whether the "Girls in X" threads have a place here, personally I'm not in the slightest bit interested in scantily clad women and fail to see their relevance to a cycling forum. That being said I imagine that there aren't a vast number of soft-porn pictures of women in cycling-specific clothing on the internet so these threads are convenient for those of us who are into that sort of thing.
However, it does sadden me to see pictures of genuine sportswomen wearing sport-specific clothing being posted as sex objects. Women have to fight a lot of prejudice to be taken seriously in the world of sport and I see the fetishisation of sporting women to be part of the problem.
Personally I don't understand why these threads exist, this is a forum about cycling not about sex - if people want to find pictures of naked women to *enjoy* I can direct them to certain websites where they can find women (and men) of all kinds doing all kinds of things. If people want a forum about cycling then I would direct them here but tell them to avoid certain threads in cake stop.
Oh, and fwiw I do wish people would stop using the word feminist like its a bad thing. A "feminist" is someone who believes that men and women should be politically, socially and economically equal to men. If you don't agree with that then... well...0 -
^^^^the most sense said in the shortest space I've read on this 'heated debate' thus far. BTW - these threads long since ceased to be relating to 'Girls in Lycra Shorts' and degenerated into soft porn and sometimes plain porn a long time ago. Don't have a problem with it whatseover per se, but porn is forced down your neck (ok, setting myself up here) continually on the internet. Can't we have a little cycling corner free from smut and the tedious double-entendres?0
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thortweezul wrote:fwiw my opinion;
I'm not certain whether the "Girls in X" threads have a place here, personally I'm not in the slightest bit interested in scantily clad women and 1) fail to see their relevance to a cycling forum. 2) That being said I imagine that there aren't a vast number of 3) soft-porn pictures of women in cycling-specific clothing on the internet so these threads are convenient for those of us who are into that sort of thing.
4) However, it does sadden me to see pictures of genuine sportswomen wearing sport-specific clothing being posted as sex objects. Women have to fight a lot of prejudice to be taken seriously in the world of sport and I see the fetishisation of sporting women to be part of the problem.
Personally I don't understand why these threads exist, 1) this is a forum about cycling not about sex - if people want to find pictures of naked women to *enjoy* I can direct them to certain websites where they can find women (and men) of all kinds doing all kinds of things. 5) If people want a forum about cycling then I would direct them here but tell them to avoid certain threads in cake stop.
Oh, and fwiw I do wish people would stop using the word feminist like its a bad thing. 6) A "feminist" is someone who believes that men and women should be politically, socially and economically equal to men. If you don't agree with that then... well...
Have you not read the threads ? Just in case:
1) which is why it's in the off topic part of the forum.
2) you'd be amazed.
3) They're not soft p0rn, and anything questionable has been removed.
4) Face palm
5) So what's the issue
6) Really ?Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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This forum is closely related to the magazine Cycling Plus. Take a look at page 131 of this month's magazine - heaven forbid, an advert featuring .... wait for it ... a naked woman! It's about time that C+ went top shelf :!:
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1) That's why I said i'm uncertain about whether the threads belong on the site, on one hand cake stop isn't an area where conversation is restricted to cycling so why not allow people to leer at women there. On the other hand cycling is not a male only sport, and the existence of threads like these could (among a whole host of other factors) put women off the sport, if you want to perv there are places where it is appropriate, I'm not sure if that's here.
2) Exactly my point, there's plenty of outlets for that kind of behaviour online.
3) I think the lines between Innocent pictures/Art/Erotica/Pornography are a bit too blurry for either of us to say categorically what an image should be defined as, either way the title of the thread tells you what the purpose of the pictures is.
4) Eloquent rebuttal
5) see 1)
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Don't see a problem with anything as it's in the non cycling part of the forum and also I don't need to look at ANY threads if I think there might be something there that doesn't interest me!
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A "feminist" is someone who believes that men and women should be politically, socially and economically equal to men.
No, that's feminism.
A feminist is an active advocate of feminism. I don't think it splitting hairs to say you can agree with feminism without being a feminist.0 -
fluff. wrote:A "feminist" is someone who believes that men and women should be politically, socially and economically equal to men.
No, that's feminism.
A feminist is an active advocate of feminism. I don't think it splitting hairs to say you can agree with feminism without being a feminist.
isn't that a bit like saying you can agree with racism without being a racist
. Personally I classify myself as a feminist because I believe in the central aims of feminism even though I don't do much active advocacy. I think its a shame that feminism has become a dirty word because it stands for such brilliant ideals. 0 -
thortweezul wrote:fluff. wrote:A "feminist" is someone who believes that men and women should be politically, socially and economically equal to men.
No, that's feminism.
A feminist is an active advocate of feminism. I don't think it splitting hairs to say you can agree with feminism without being a feminist.
isn't that a bit like saying you can agree with racism without being a racist . Personally I classify myself as a feminist because I believe in the central aims of feminism even though I don't do much active advocacy. I think its a shame that feminism has become a dirty word because it stands for such brilliant ideals.
The word feminist has become synonymous with the "all man are rapisits, kill them all, women are so much better" type people though. People that believe in equality are just "normal".We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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thortweezul wrote:3) I think the lines between Innocent pictures/Art/Erotica/Pornography are a bit too blurry for either of us to say categorically what an image should be defined as, either way the title of the thread tells you what the purpose of the pictures is.
4) Eloquent rebuttal
6) yes
No, you're wrong. There is no s0ftcore pornography in any of the Gi threads. Generally people don't post anything that is against the rules and if they do, the mods are pretty good at picking it up, although very occasionally they do miss one.
"Softcore p)rnography - magazines, pictures etc that show people wearing no clothes or sexual activity, but that do not show sexual activity completely clearly "
The Eloquent rebuttal. Well, had you read the threads properly and read the views of those who want to keep the Gi threads, then perhaps I wouldn't have needed to write it. If you're not an alter-ego of one of the commuters, then your lack of interaction with the other people who post on these threads, would suggest that you're not in a suitable position to comment.
As for your final comment "yes"; you're saying that men and women should be equal to men ? You're saying that part of feminism is that men should be equal to men ? Really ? Pedantic yes, I know, I thought you might notice, but if you didn't notice that which is spelt out in nearly 30 pages of discussion, then I suppose it's a little much to ask that you'd notice your own mistakes.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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thortweezul - if you're after a reasoned and intelligent debate you're in the wrong place. This is the place for 'face palm's', sniggering at titties,emoticons and spunking over fast cars. Feminism hasn't been invented, Dave is on 24 hour rotation. Pull up a stool and we'll crack you open a can of lager. But if you're a girl, we might go red and start stammering and you might have to go to another section.0
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15peter20 wrote:thortweezul - if you're after a reasoned and intelligent debate you're in the wrong place. This is the place for 'face palm's', sniggering at titties,emoticons and spunking over fast cars. Feminism hasn't been invented, Dave is on 24 hour rotation. Pull up a stool and we'll crack you open a can of lager. But if you're a girl, we might go red and start stammering and you might have to go to another section.
hey welcome back pete - boy we've missed your witty banter and intricate word play and all round sense of fun - hows colin sheldrake these days?
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15peter20 wrote:thortweezul - if you're after a reasoned and intelligent debate you're in the wrong place. This is the place for 'face palm's', sniggering at titties,emoticons and spunking over fast cars.
and random highly unusual rants like this one??
http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30005&t=128394240 -
Did we ever get to the bottom of Cornelius? Do tell us Pete.
As for the "Girls" I find it difficult to see what the fuss is about. Men and women are different in their sense of humours, organisational abilities, their respective romantic views on the world and their sexualities. I don't want to think like women and don't want to be told that I must. I wonder what the medal-winning cyclists who posed naked (tastefully I thought) think of all this? If photos are published against the will of the women concerned, then that is illegal. If consent for the publishing has been given, then my admiration of the female form cannot be criticised.
Anyway, it will be chick-flicks and chardonnay and Brad and George for the feminist age. Do I forbid my wife the visual pleasure of Ocean's Eleven with Mr Pitt and Clooney? Don't be ridiculous.
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Wirral_Paul wrote:15peter20 wrote:thortweezul - if you're after a reasoned and intelligent debate you're in the wrong place. This is the place for 'face palm's', sniggering at titties,emoticons and spunking over fast cars.
and random highly unusual rants like this one??
oooh fun loving pete is the king of unusual, remember this one -15peter20 wrote:mtDNA is replicated by the DNA polymerase gamma complex which is composed of a 140 kDa catalytic DNA polymerase encoded by the POLG gene and a 55 kDa accessory subunit encoded by the POLG2 gene. During embryogenesis, replication of mtDNA is strictly down-regulated from the fertilized oocyte through the preimplantation embryoThe dissenter is every human being at those moments of his life when he resigns
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gasman_dave wrote:Did we ever get to the bottom of Cornelius? Do tell us Pete.
Well Dave, after a little bit of amateur detective work :
27nigel53 used to have 'Perth' as his location, and as identified in an image he posted, he's a visiter of http://www.aussieadultfriendfinder.com (the image in question is here: http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30005&t=12786255 so quite why he objects to the 'Girls in' threads??!)...... one can make an educated guess that he's from Perth.
A quick google of Colin Sheldrake shows that he works at a place called Modern Hiring in Perth, so putting 2 and 2 together, (and I'm sure 33toby94 will tell you I'm getting 17) I'd suggest that........... well, I'm sure you can work it out........
(but I could be wrong ) Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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I'm afraid i'm actually a gay man which would make quite a few people round here feel quite uncomfortable from the looks of it15peter20 wrote:thortweezul - if you're after a reasoned and intelligent debate you're in the wrong place. This is the place for 'face palm's', sniggering at titties,emoticons and spunking over fast cars. Feminism hasn't been invented, Dave is on 24 hour rotation. Pull up a stool and we'll crack you open a can of lager. But if you're a girl, we might go red and start stammering and you might have to go to another section. 0 -
thortweezul wrote:
I'm afraid i'm actually a gay man which would make quite a few people round here feel quite uncomfortable from the looks of it15peter20 wrote:thortweezul - if you're after a reasoned and intelligent debate you're in the wrong place. This is the place for 'face palm's', sniggering at titties,emoticons and spunking over fast cars. Feminism hasn't been invented, Dave is on 24 hour rotation. Pull up a stool and we'll crack you open a can of lager. But if you're a girl, we might go red and start stammering and you might have to go to another section.
I doubt it.
And why are you afraid ?Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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"afraid" as in "sorry to disappoint" as related to the final sentence of the post I quoted.0
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Brilliant.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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thortweezul wrote:
I'm afraid i'm actually a gay man which would make quite a few people round here feel quite uncomfortable from the looks of it15peter20 wrote:thortweezul - if you're after a reasoned and intelligent debate you're in the wrong place. This is the place for 'face palm's', sniggering at titties,emoticons and spunking over fast cars. Feminism hasn't been invented, Dave is on 24 hour rotation. Pull up a stool and we'll crack you open a can of lager. But if you're a girl, we might go red and start stammering and you might have to go to another section.
So just because I'm one of the degenerates who frequents Girls in threads there is a fair chance I'm not only a misogynist but a homophobe as well? I'm afraid you may find that there are quite a few people around here who feel offended by that.0 -
thortweezul wrote:
I'm afraid i'm actually a gay man which would make quite a few people round here feel quite uncomfortable from the looks of it15peter20 wrote:thortweezul - if you're after a reasoned and intelligent debate you're in the wrong place. This is the place for 'face palm's', sniggering at titties,emoticons and spunking over fast cars. Feminism hasn't been invented, Dave is on 24 hour rotation. Pull up a stool and we'll crack you open a can of lager. But if you're a girl, we might go red and start stammering and you might have to go to another section.
As much as you may believe that statement, you're not the only gay man who posts in 'Cake Stop' and no one gives a toss."There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0 -
That last part is about as dry as you can get.bagpuss0
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well i commute , and i also like the female form. not a homophobe either.
looks like bike radar will drop off the radar if the girls in etc threads get ditched. if i don't like the look of a thread i don't read it it really is that simple. even my 10 yr old girl understands whats likely in a thread from its title.
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The admin team have spoken! Pasted from the Discuss with the team threadThe Admin team (here on referred to as 'we') have discussed the issue of "girls in" threads, and would like to thank the people who have taken the time to participate in what has been mainly a productive and engaging debate.
We recognise the need for off topic sections in our forums, however the content displayed in them has met objections from some parties. On the other hand, there's clearly a large number of people who don't find the content objectionable, or disagree with the objections put forward.
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Maybe this would be of interest to this thread
http://www.adigaskell.org/blog/2012/03/ ... le-models/
Some new research has looked into how other women respond when they see an athlete stripped for a sexy magazine shoot. To use Pendleton as an example, if they saw her in kit racing they would feel inspired to ride and admire her determination etc. If they saw her kitless however they admire her body instead and reflect negatively on their own sexuality in comparison.0 -
phreak wrote:Maybe this would be of interest to this thread
http://www.adigaskell.org/blog/2012/03/ ... le-models/
Some new research has looked into how other women respond when they see an athlete stripped for a sexy magazine shoot. To use Pendleton as an example, if they saw her in kit racing they would feel inspired to ride and admire her determination etc. If they saw her kitless however they admire her body instead and reflect negatively on their own sexuality in comparison.
Well they shouldn't be so f*cking stupid and shallow then !Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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phreak wrote:Maybe this would be of interest to this thread
http://www.adigaskell.org/blog/2012/03/ ... le-models/
Some new research has looked into how other women respond when they see an athlete stripped for a sexy magazine shoot. To use Pendleton as an example, if they saw her in kit racing they would feel inspired to ride and admire her determination etc. If they saw her kitless however they admire her body instead and reflect positively on their own sexuality in comparison thus making them want male cyclists even more (not commuters though).
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