Strava.com - Put your money where your mouth is

wolfsbane2k

Well, today's tailwind pushed me to 14th on a East to West 3.2km 1% downhill section over 6102 others with 19k attempts.
Man, i must be wide enough to be just act as a sailwind.
That, and fat.
I wasn't even trying. Spun out so quickly it was quite scary. Average speed 47km/h.
Jeez.

N0bodyOfTheGoat

I wish Strava could keep stats for individual bikes, rather than simply showing your best segment effort, a decent effort on a heavier bike is much more commendable in most circumstances IMO.

For example, yesterday's tailwind got me a 1min33secs* heading east over Itchen Bridge on the Wazoo in work gear (so ~93Kg all-in on my 2.35" G-One Speeds), while my best on the Cube to date is 1min44secs* in MAMIL mode (~89Kg all-in on 25c Grandsport Races).

* Brutal westerly yesterday vs moderate south easterly on the Cube according to mywindsock.com.

rolf_f

NitrousOxide wrote:

I wish Strava could keep stats for individual bikes, rather than simply showing your best segment effort, a decent effort on a heavier bike is much more commendable in most circumstances IMO.
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You've answered your own question as to why individual bike stats are not worth bothering with - the weather is a far more significant variable than the bike. Sounds like your 1:33 was actually much less commendable than your 1:44!

Of course, Strava should do as you say- something else they could do in the hopeless (for me) task of trying to make premium worth paying for. The only thing I use the free month subs for is updating my heat map.

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Rolf F wrote:

NitrousOxide wrote:

I wish Strava could keep stats for individual bikes, rather than simply showing your best segment effort, a decent effort on a heavier bike is much more commendable in most circumstances IMO.
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You've answered your own question as to why individual bike stats are not worth bothering with - the weather is a far more significant variable than the bike. Sounds like your 1:33 was actually much less commendable than your 1:44!

But on another day, with the comparable wind direction and speed, I'd expect to smash that 1min33 on the Cube.;)

The current system does not make it easy to look at segment history for any given steed, for those of us with multiple bikes (or have simply replaced one with another).

I'm half way through a two month free trial of Strava Premium via British Cycling, so far I'm not convinced Premium warrants the cost, I expect to cancel before the trial ends and use Strava free with the data-tastic Stravistix plugin mentioned earlier in this thread.

kingstongraham

Rolf F wrote:

NitrousOxide wrote:

I wish Strava could keep stats for individual bikes, rather than simply showing your best segment effort, a decent effort on a heavier bike is much more commendable in most circumstances IMO.
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You've answered your own question as to why individual bike stats are not worth bothering with - the weather is a far more significant variable than the bike. Sounds like your 1:33 was actually much less commendable than your 1:44!

Of course, Strava should do as you say- something else they could do in the hopeless (for me) task of trying to make premium worth paying for. The only thing I use the free month subs for is updating my heat map.

I like Strava, it's not covered in adverts, they deserve a few quid. There's my justification.

itboffin

nothing i see on the internet is covered in any ads, its very refreshing

kingstongraham

itboffin wrote:

nothing i see on the internet is covered in any ads, its very refreshing

You're welcome.

wolfsbane2k

In the last 3 days after getting my road bike back together with new wheels and new brake pads( nothing fancy, rosebikes own CX wheels) I'm equal 2 on road downhill KOM's and 1 faster than the current second place, but I don't make my rides public.

Previous attempts have been way behind - not sure if it's confidence in having better brakes or what, but fek me...

cruff

Wolfsbane2k wrote:

In the last 3 days after getting my road bike back together with new wheels and new brake pads( nothing fancy, rosebikes own CX wheels) I'm equal 2 on road downhill KOM's and 1 faster than the current second place, but I don't make my rides public.

Previous attempts have been way behind - not sure if it's confidence in having better brakes or what, but fek me...

Downhill? Doesn't that just mean gravity is the winner?

wolfsbane2k

Cruff wrote:

Wolfsbane2k wrote:

In the last 3 days after getting my road bike back together with new wheels and new brake pads( nothing fancy, rosebikes own CX wheels) I'm equal 2 on road downhill KOM's and 1 faster than the current second place, but I don't make my rides public.

Previous attempts have been way behind - not sure if it's confidence in having better brakes or what, but fek me...

Downhill? Doesn't that just mean gravity is the winner?

I was pedalling hard before I spun out at 50km/h, max chat was 66km/h... all about the acceleration out of the preceeding corners according to the strava analysis. But yes, I agree - fat flows well downhill

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Wish there was a way to have segment records for individual bikes in a fleet, so I could compare against my best time on the Wazoo, for example, rather than PRs simply being the best segment time on any bike listed in "your gear."

roger_merriman

NitrousOxide wrote:

Wish there was a way to have segment records for individual bikes in a fleet, so I could compare against my best time on the Wazoo, for example, rather than PRs simply being the best segment time on any bike listed in "your gear."

That would be a useful filter I have getting on for 7 years worth of data and have changed bikes enough that some are not directly comparable though, though the differences are less than you might think, in that a old racer/modern SS and a CX it's fairly hard to split times, but it would be fun to have the filters to do so more easily.

roubaixmb

I think veloviewer allows you to look at your segment history and will give a note of which bike you were riding on each attempt.

wolfsbane2k

Bloody Strava Challenges, needing activities to be public before they count

rower63

RoubaixMB wrote:

I think veloviewer allows you to look at your segment history and will give a note of which bike you were riding on each attempt.

yes veloviewer does do this - it's one of the best things about it, amongst many other good things

itboffin

Wolfsbane2k wrote:

Bloody Strava Challenges, needing activities to be public before they count

Well yes otherwise how can they tell you completed it

dhope

itboffin wrote:

Wolfsbane2k wrote:

Bloody Strava Challenges, needing activities to be public before they count

Well yes otherwise how can they tell you completed it

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N0bodyOfTheGoat

Recently, I've noticed that when I look at my Cube rides on Strava fairly soon after I get back, initially the estimated power values are high and later reduce.

Is this because by default rides are assigned to the Voodoo, which besides being a bit heavier, plus does the assigning them in "my gear" as road/mountain bikes mean they get different estimated aero values?

Edit: Observant me has just this morning spotted that under "My Gear," I can choose which bike is "Default."

While Strava seems to correct the estimated power values after changing bikes, it looks like Stravistix might not. For example, yesterday's ~53 mile ride had its Strava estimated power change from ~300W to 181W, but Stravistix is still showing an estimated weighted power of 350W (which I'm pretty sure is the value it showed straight after uploading, because I was rather shocked by the estimated 4.16 W/Kg).

rick_chasey

Serious business, KOMs...

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/lates ... ing-354014

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Rick Chasey wrote:

Serious business, KOMs...

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/lates ... ing-354014

Records are there to be broken in any sport, if you make your created segments and/or segment times public, expect them to be sometimes used as extra motivation by other riders to ride quicker!

I was going to use an example segment where I had set the fastest time this year (which was still 36 seconds slower than all-time segment record), but over the last ~13 months of using Strava, I've come to accept that sometimes segments will be in areas where others have no interest in going "full beans" because they are more interested in putting more effort in for particular segments later in their ride.

I don't consider myself a local cycling god, heck I've only been doing this for ~10 months and I'm riding road bike with a very high front end, I always expected my time to be beaten if someone had a decent go at it despite the prevailing wind assistance I got that day https://mywindsock.com/segment/1391756/.
The funny this is, checking the leaderboard page just before writing this reply, I discovered someone beat my 2017 time yesterday!

http://www.strava.com/segments/1391756

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Holy thread necromancy Batman! :shock: Didn't think it deserved a new thread so decided to add to this old Strava one...

New feature added to Strava in the latest update, namely relative perceived exercertion, mainly for when you've done an activity with a hrm or power meter (although you can choose to use RPE instead of your data by the looks of it).

Handy in some ways, because I doubt I'm alone in logging some activities where I haven't worn data devices (more than half by time for me in a typical week this year), so the Strava "freshness and fitness" has been rather meaningless for me for some time as I rarely bother with data devices for my commutes and my physically active job.

However, until you have something like 42 days of RPEd activities by either starting today or going back through your history, the "form" figure you get will suggest you are suddenly massively overtraining... For example, I've tried to give an RPE score to all my activities since 9th Sept so far and my Relative Effort "form" is now -36 and my Relative Effort & Power "form" is -41 (last time I looked, Strava considered "form" more negative than -10 as overtraining)! :shock:

Still, as much as these things are only a guide, it will be interesting for me to see where my scores go compared to the etimates given at https://cricklesorg.wordpress.com/

roger_merriman

I suspect the only time I’m likely to use perceived effort in is on windy commuting! For MTB/Roadie stuff less likely as I’m simply not interested in the sport stuff for most part.

jonginge

Paraphrasing SCR rule 6: all perceived effort should be easy

meursault

Being old and slow, I had no KOM's until this

https://www.strava.com/segments/17797412

I'm 1st of 1. Made in my local Tesco car park in the early hours of a Sunday morning, when it was empty. Don't see anybody beating it anytime soon :twisted:

Darius_Jedburgh

It's easy to get a KOM. Just set up a route that no-one else is likely to ever follow and ride it slowly. Do it a second time somewhat faster and you have a KOM.

meursault

Franco di Banco wrote:

It's easy to get a KOM. Just set up a route that no-one else is likely to ever follow and ride it slowly. Do it a second time somewhat faster and you have a KOM.

I made up my stupid one, by riding it once.

N0bodyOfTheGoat

There's going to be a meltdown soon...

The Strava April ride challenges (distance, elevation, gran fondo) all allow virtual rides!

In other news, the Strava Android app can now suggest routes, hit the "explore" link down the bottom of your device and you should then get a page showing a link to the route suggester.
It will suggest three different routes (by default from current location) based on distance; popularity/flat/hilly; surface type etc.

Personally, I'm finding the route suggestions quite dull, because despite my age (46) / weight (~76Kg and hopefully falling) / modest 20min power (~306W before catching manflu and/or mild COVID-19) I love my hill climbing.I'm less than ~22 miles for a reasonable direct route to the top of Harvesting Lane (edge of Butser Hill summit) and there's a big handful of cat4 hills to the west that are closer to home but the "hilly" suggestions for 30+ mile loops seem to actively avoid the cat4 hills... When I know I could string three together in a loop of ~35 miles!

parmos

FrankYates said:

It's easy to get a KOM. Just set up a route that no-one else is likely to ever follow and ride it slowly. Do it a second time somewhat faster and you have a KOM.

bloke near me does that so i've started taking them off him

N0bodyOfTheGoat

Strava's special average speed is so fake and ego-boosting...

Yesterday I did ~64 miles in ~3hrs46mins, stopping for ~1min in total. It tells me my avg was 17.0mph, but it was actually ~16.97.

A group I know did ~53 miles in ~4hrs, stopping for one break of ~30mins and another break of ~26mins... Yet Strava says their avg was ~18.4mph.

No it ****** wasn't, 53 miles in 4 hours is an avg of ~13.25mph!

cruff

You want KOMs? Here's some KOMs... 😁

Check out my activity on Strava: https://strava.app.link/ebn9M9Fov7