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ryan_w-2

Looking to get this one under 30 seconds once the weather improves.....

https://www.strava.com/segments/1859279

okgo

Should be fairly easy with the right wind. But its not a great road, and not particularly safe to ride at 30mph down there with a right angle turn at the rbt.

ryan_w-2

okgo wrote:

Should be fairly easy with the right wind. But its not a great road, and not particularly safe to ride at 30mph down there with a right angle turn at the rbt.

Agreed, I remember a having to overtake a moped when I got the KOM down there. Late breaking is essential too. Thank god I now have disc brakes

Big issue is the road quality, it's got more pot holes and different types of tarmac than you can shake a stick at.

okgo

Yes, its a patchwork for sure.

itboffin

YES passed the 74,110ft of ascent YTD yesterday taking me ahead of this time last year in 160 less miles of riding too

wolfsbane2k

Finally gave up and joined Strava.
Mainly due to the group riding thing, which comes with the 520.

grandantipathes

I'm looking to get a KOM on Dark Hill this year ( I'm currently 6th):

https://www.strava.com/segments/994057

Do you guys know if the first 5 were solo efforts? Mine was solo ( tail wind assisted though )
Quite a LOT of people have been up that road

ryan_w-2

grandantipathes wrote:

I'm looking to get a KOM on Dark Hill this year ( I'm currently 6th):

https://www.strava.com/segments/994057

Do you guys know if the first 5 were solo efforts? Mine was solo ( tail wind assisted though )
Quite a LOT of people have been up that road

4725 / 47997
MY BEST TIME 1:06

Haha.... You light guys love a climb! Very impressed with some of the power figures up there. Some guy help over 800w for 40 seconds!

okgo

Ryan_W wrote:

grandantipathes wrote:

I'm looking to get a KOM on Dark Hill this year ( I'm currently 6th):

https://www.strava.com/segments/994057

Do you guys know if the first 5 were solo efforts? Mine was solo ( tail wind assisted though )
Quite a LOT of people have been up that road

4725 / 47997
MY BEST TIME 1:06

Haha.... You light guys love a climb! Very impressed with some of the power figures up there. Some guy help over 800w for 40 seconds!

Yes, the person you've quoted is that person. He ain't that light, hence the 800w required!

Yes I think they are all solo, to be fair, I doubt a lead out is going to help much given you start from low speed and would have to find someone eqaully capable, which is going to be hard for those top guys.

I might give it a go too, just to keep you honest. I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

whatleytom

Stages

ryan_w-2

okgo wrote:

I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

FREAK! What's you max power out of interest?

I'm just shy of 1,800w but can only hold it for a second.

1,052w for 15 seconds and 703w for 30 seconds is my best to date and won't be beating them anytime soon with my recent accident.

I wonder what I could actually do up there now.......

okgo

Ryan_W wrote:

okgo wrote:

I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

FREAK! What's you max power out of interest?

I'm just shy of 1,800w but can only hold it for a second.

1,052w for 15 seconds and 703w for 30 seconds is my best to date and won't be beating them anytime soon with my recent accident.

I wonder what I could actually do up there now.......

I very rarely test it, but I don't seem to have that massive snap that some do, I've done a few 5 sec efforts at around 1550. Peak I don't think I've seen over 1700, but there are ways to get huge peak with it meaning very little in the grand scheme. Standing start being one of them.

As you correctly point out, many folks can hit the big numbers but they can't hold it for very long. I've done just under 1 min at 850w so I have a flattish curve in that respect as my 15 sec isn't much higher than yours.

ryan_w-2

okgo wrote:

Ryan_W wrote:

okgo wrote:

I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

FREAK! What's you max power out of interest?

I'm just shy of 1,800w but can only hold it for a second.

1,052w for 15 seconds and 703w for 30 seconds is my best to date and won't be beating them anytime soon with my recent accident.

I wonder what I could actually do up there now.......

I very rarely test it, but I don't seem to have that massive snap that some do, I've done a few 5 sec efforts at around 1550. Peak I don't think I've seen over 1700, but there are ways to get huge peak with it meaning very little in the grand scheme. Standing start being one of them.

As you correctly point out, many folks can hit the big numbers but they can't hold it for very long. I've done just under 1 min at 850w so I have a flattish curve in that respect as my 15 sec isn't much higher than yours.

Yea, I fade very quickly, I guess that's down to fitness and my muscle build up. My peak should be more, but it's more down to control that I've not put down over 2,000w IMO. I need to try a max test on the road and not on a turbo.

I'm an ex world powerlifting champion, so have lots of power but not great endurance at high watts.

My current 1 min effort is a shameful 495w. Definitely an area to work on since I'm never going to be a mountain goat at a lean 90kg...

cruff

I just looked at my PB up there and got confused, then I realised I was looking at the wrong segment. RP has as much segment saturation as Box Hill. Best time is 1 minute dead, good enough for a measly 2000th out of 47000. I was tubbier then, not training, it came 30km into a commute and I can hold c. 740 watts for 1 minute, but looking at those times I'm still far too heavy to get up it at anything faster than about 50 seconds without a tailwind, which would put me ten seconds slower than the only time in the top ten verified with a power meter.

I hate skinny people.

hopkinb

I remember looking at Strava after doing some hill repeats near where I live in Wimbledon, and seeing that okgo had the KOM on one of the hills with a recorded >750w for a shade under a minute. That's a hill with a decent ramp at ~12%. I think I went down the hill at the same speed he had gone up it.

grandantipathes

Ryan_W wrote:

grandantipathes wrote:

I'm looking to get a KOM on Dark Hill this year ( I'm currently 6th):

https://www.strava.com/segments/994057

Do you guys know if the first 5 were solo efforts? Mine was solo ( tail wind assisted though )
Quite a LOT of people have been up that road

4725 / 47997
MY BEST TIME 1:06

Haha.... You light guys love a climb! Very impressed with some of the power figures up there. Some guy help over 800w for 40 seconds!

It's me the 850 watts guy.. A 3 seconds improvement is going to require a lot more I reckon, or possibly a gale force tail wind
Let's see if I can shed some weight a bit maybe, that would help..

okgo

Haha, that one is where I've managed one of the best powers, but I stopped the power near the top before the segment ended! That I think was around 840W for the bit I was pushing on, bit over 50 sec I think. Grim little hill that one.

cruff

Short steep hills I'm OK on. Long gradual hills I'm OK on. Anything long and steep and I'm toast. Fat, sweating, blubbering toast. Maybe signing up for the Fred Whitton wasn't the brightest idea I've ever had...

grandantipathes

okgo wrote:

Yes, the person you've quoted is that person. He ain't that light, hence the 800w required!

Yes I think they are all solo, to be fair, I doubt a lead out is going to help much given you start from low speed and would have to find someone eqaully capable, which is going to be hard for those top guys.

I might give it a go too, just to keep you honest. I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

Totally Rob, It's a nightmare to get a clear run on an averagely busy day.. Always some choppers or/and cars in the way I found.. The park is an insanely busy area these days.. Even at night :shock:

ryan_w-2

Cruff wrote:

Short steep hills I'm OK on. Long gradual hills I'm OK on. Anything long and steep and I'm toast. Fat, sweating, blubbering toast. Maybe signing up for the Fred Whitton wasn't the brightest idea I've ever had...

Us fatties suffer from this

I'm actually pretty competitive up short climbs (like really short), however, I burn out like a complete arse up anything over a minute....

I'm able to grind out mediocre long-ish climbs like Box Hill, but no good at holding power for sustained periods.

ryan_w-2

grandantipathes wrote:

okgo wrote:

Yes, the person you've quoted is that person. He ain't that light, hence the 800w required!

Yes I think they are all solo, to be fair, I doubt a lead out is going to help much given you start from low speed and would have to find someone eqaully capable, which is going to be hard for those top guys.

I might give it a go too, just to keep you honest. I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

Totally Rob, It's a nightmare to get a clear run on an averagely busy day.. Always some choppers or/and cars in the way I found.. The park is an insanely busy area these days.. Even at night :shock:

Again out of pure competitive interest, what do you weigh?

I'm all about power to weight... I had one of the top p/w deadlifts in the world back in 2008 at 280kg @ 83.4kg... (I'd now struggle to pull 240kg at 92kg :roll: )

grandantipathes

Ryan_W wrote:

grandantipathes wrote:

okgo wrote:

Yes, the person you've quoted is that person. He ain't that light, hence the 800w required!

Yes I think they are all solo, to be fair, I doubt a lead out is going to help much given you start from low speed and would have to find someone eqaully capable, which is going to be hard for those top guys.

I might give it a go too, just to keep you honest. I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

Totally Rob, It's a nightmare to get a clear run on an averagely busy day.. Always some choppers or/and cars in the way I found.. The park is an insanely busy area these days.. Even at night :shock:

Again out of pure competitive interest, what do you weigh?

I'm all about power to weight... I had one of the top p/w deadlifts in the world back in 2008 at 280kg @ 83.4kg... (I'd now struggle to pull 240kg at 92kg :roll: )

I weigh about 76 kgs. So that's about 11 watts per kg for that duration. I'd imagine the 3 second improvement would need 12 watts per kg or more

bigmat

50s best for me up Dark Hill. I suspect that is the only time I have really given it a go, generally used to go up there when I was having a crack at the 3 lap challenge. Second best was 56s as part of that, back in 2015. I haven't done a lap of RP since! Sad state of affairs, will have to get down there this year (although sounds like I will need to time it carefully to avoid the crowds).

grandantipathes

BigMat wrote:

50s best for me up Dark Hill. I suspect that is the only time I have really given it a go, generally used to go up there when I was having a crack at the 3 lap challenge. Second best was 56s as part of that, back in 2015. I haven't done a lap of RP since! Sad state of affairs, will have to get down there this year (although sounds like I will need to time it carefully to avoid the crowds).

Wait for a tailwind though, it's pretty much impossible to get near the top of the list without it..
Fortunately the wind is quite often favorable.
Also, the end of the segment is way past the top of the hill. I only recently realized that I was ending my effort way to soon

grandantipathes

Ryan_W wrote:

okgo wrote:

Ryan_W wrote:

okgo wrote:

I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

FREAK! What's you max power out of interest?

I'm just shy of 1,800w but can only hold it for a second.

1,052w for 15 seconds and 703w for 30 seconds is my best to date and won't be beating them anytime soon with my recent accident.

I wonder what I could actually do up there now.......

I very rarely test it, but I don't seem to have that massive snap that some do, I've done a few 5 sec efforts at around 1550. Peak I don't think I've seen over 1700, but there are ways to get huge peak with it meaning very little in the grand scheme. Standing start being one of them.

As you correctly point out, many folks can hit the big numbers but they can't hold it for very long. I've done just under 1 min at 850w so I have a flattish curve in that respect as my 15 sec isn't much higher than yours.

Yea, I fade very quickly, I guess that's down to fitness and my muscle build up. My peak should be more, but it's more down to control that I've not put down over 2,000w IMO. I need to try a max test on the road and not on a turbo.

I'm an ex world powerlifting champion, so have lots of power but not great endurance at high watts.

My current 1 min effort is a shameful 495w. Definitely an area to work on since I'm never going to be a mountain goat at a lean 90kg...

I was training with a sprinter from Holland a few years ago (Elite level) and his numbers were impressive to say the least.. I vaguely remembers 1600 watts for 15 seconds (on a powertap as well )..
He was only 83 kgs

cruff

Ryan_W wrote:

okgo wrote:

Ryan_W wrote:

okgo wrote:

I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

FREAK! What's you max power out of interest?

I'm just shy of 1,800w but can only hold it for a second.

1,052w for 15 seconds and 703w for 30 seconds is my best to date and won't be beating them anytime soon with my recent accident.

I wonder what I could actually do up there now.......

I very rarely test it, but I don't seem to have that massive snap that some do, I've done a few 5 sec efforts at around 1550. Peak I don't think I've seen over 1700, but there are ways to get huge peak with it meaning very little in the grand scheme. Standing start being one of them.

As you correctly point out, many folks can hit the big numbers but they can't hold it for very long. I've done just under 1 min at 850w so I have a flattish curve in that respect as my 15 sec isn't much higher than yours.

Yea, I fade very quickly, I guess that's down to fitness and my muscle build up. My peak should be more, but it's more down to control that I've not put down over 2,000w IMO. I need to try a max test on the road and not on a turbo.

I'm an ex world powerlifting champion, so have lots of power but not great endurance at high watts.

My current 1 min effort is a shameful 495w. Definitely an area to work on since I'm never going to be a mountain goat at a lean 90kg...

Are you sure that figure is right? I'm a useless fat chopper, and my 1 minute max is 738, 15Kg lighter than you. If you can get up Dark Hill in just over a minute, at your stated weight, I'd think you can hold much more than 495

ryan_w-2

Cruff wrote:

Are you sure that figure is right? I'm a useless fat chopper, and my 1 minute max is 738, 15Kg lighter than you. If you can get up Dark Hill in just over a minute, at your stated weight, I'd think you can hold much more than 495

I've never specifically pushed for these, I guess I should start putting in some planned efforts soon.

Latest data from last hour long race on Zwift:

FTP - 312w (3.39w/kg)
20 min - 314w (3.41w/kg)
5 min - 345w (3.75w/kg)
2 min - 391w (4.25w/kg)
1 min - 495w (5.38w/kg)
30" - 703w (7.64w/kg)
15" - 1,052w (11.43w/kg)
5" - 1,213w (13.18w/kg)
Peak - 1,686w (18.32w/kg)

I'm 32 and pretty unfit ATM and being 92kg doesn't help my w/kg!

Been road cycling (changed from MTB) for the past 2 years and dropped from 107kg (weight lifter & rugby player, not a fatty).

I think I could really improve my 20min - 1min times if I could be arsed

threespeed

grandantipathes wrote:

I'm looking to get a KOM on Dark Hill this year ( I'm currently 6th):

https://www.strava.com/segments/994057

Do you guys know if the first 5 were solo efforts? Mine was solo ( tail wind assisted though )
Quite a LOT of people have been up that road

#2, solo yes, tailwind very much so

wolfsbane2k

Finally taken the jump and started syncing stuff on strava.
God damn I'm slow compared to some, but I'm happy that way!

ryan_w-2

Cruff wrote:

Ryan_W wrote:

okgo wrote:

Ryan_W wrote:

okgo wrote:

I should be able to do nearly 1000W for 40 secs but its getting it all out and getting a good run in!

FREAK! What's you max power out of interest?

I'm just shy of 1,800w but can only hold it for a second.

1,052w for 15 seconds and 703w for 30 seconds is my best to date and won't be beating them anytime soon with my recent accident.

I wonder what I could actually do up there now.......

I very rarely test it, but I don't seem to have that massive snap that some do, I've done a few 5 sec efforts at around 1550. Peak I don't think I've seen over 1700, but there are ways to get huge peak with it meaning very little in the grand scheme. Standing start being one of them.

As you correctly point out, many folks can hit the big numbers but they can't hold it for very long. I've done just under 1 min at 850w so I have a flattish curve in that respect as my 15 sec isn't much higher than yours.

Yea, I fade very quickly, I guess that's down to fitness and my muscle build up. My peak should be more, but it's more down to control that I've not put down over 2,000w IMO. I need to try a max test on the road and not on a turbo.

I'm an ex world powerlifting champion, so have lots of power but not great endurance at high watts.

My current 1 min effort is a shameful 495w. Definitely an area to work on since I'm never going to be a mountain goat at a lean 90kg...

Are you sure that figure is right? I'm a useless fat chopper, and my 1 minute max is 738, 15Kg lighter than you. If you can get up Dark Hill in just over a minute, at your stated weight, I'd think you can hold much more than 495

Got up Dark Hill in 1:02 yesterday. Averaged 675w for the duration. Legs were fooked after too much chocolate and had to sit down halfway... Next goal is sub 1 min (need a tail wind!).