Amy Winehouse Dead
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Jez mon wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Paulie W wrote:Let's try this - it is perfectly possible to feel saddened by Amy Winehouse's death, at the loss of a young and talented woman, to feel great sympathy for her family AND to feel greatly saddened by the death of each and every soldier in Afghanistan, and of every child in Somalia. These emotions are not mutually exclusive - compassion, sympathy, sadness are not finite resources, at least not for normal people (although I suspect certain people on this thread are far from 'normal' functioning human beings given some of the vitriol they're spewing).
My gran had a useful saying (and I'm paraphrasing here): if you havent got anything nice to say shut the f*ck up!
While it is well said, there is a huge difference between being compassionate and caring when a child is starving in Somalia, or mass murders are occuring in Norway, or when 1,000s of lives are lost in a civil conflict, and caring about a drug abusing lady. That's like saying when someone steals a pound from me i'm mad, but shouldn't be any madder when someone steals a huge amount of cash. There on 2 completely differnet levels.
You've kind of missed the point.
If someone takes a penny off me, I'm not noticeably poorer
If someone takes a tenner off me, I'm cheesed off, but it's not the end of the world
If someone hacks my bank account, liberates me of my balance, I am going to struggle to make ends meet.
If one drug addict dies, I feel sympathy for their friends and family
If one nation suffers a terrible atrocity at the hands of a crazed nutter, I feel sympathy for those effected.
Money is finite, emotions less so.
While the post was a bit off topic, it still is relevant. People are comparing her death to many things.
At the end of the day, this girls music was popular in under 20s. They may hear the music and like it, but the person they should is what they will try to imitate. All she has shown is that if you are a pop star, it is ok to disappoint your family and friends by continuing a horrible drug habit, being a complete alcaholic, and it's ok to show up to a concert your doing for your fans completely wasted, not being able to sing, and barely even able to stand.
And balthazar. anyone can take 2 word snippets out of a post to make someone look "awful". However it appears people, just like I am, are unable to even recognize the other view point because of their own little world.0 -
That was no editing trick. I do not give a damn for your "little thesis", either way. In my mind, the sentiments conveyed in the quoted comments alone are reprehensible, and chilling.someone wrote:And balthazar. anyone can take 2 word snippets out of a post to make someone look "awful". However it appears people, just like I am, are unable to even recognize the other view point because of their own little world.
What a miserable thread.0 -
balthazar wrote:Some descriptions of a young lady who died recently.
By somebody called "MountainMonster":
(In reply to news of her death)MountainMonster wrote:Thank god.MountainMonster wrote:a herion crazed whore alcaholic,
...a drug crazed lunatic,
...a crack whore
...Same with the majority of hookers, why should I feel sorry for them when they get AIDs and die.
...just another dead junkie
Collating those comments was one of the most unpleasant half-hours I've ever spent.
Agreed - pretty nasty stuff.
But I wouldn't worry about it too much. Whenever I browse these forums I see his posts all over the place. But I put that down to him being one of these people who feel the need to post despite having nothing interesting to say.0 -
An addict dies from a drugs related issues (which may or may not be the case with Ms Winehouse - but there's a lot of gun-jumping going on). A self destrcutive path that has led to a death.
A soldier, knowingly, and willingly takes arms and walks into a battlezone. Also pretty damned self destructive.
The only thing we're arguing now is the morality/stupidity balance of either action. Both are dead because of what they beleived in.
I, personally, can feel sympathy for the friends and family of both.
I question the morality and humanity of those that only feel for one, not the other.
Also strange: Kurt Cobain lived his life in addiction, yet there wasn't the same outpouring of schadenfreude towards him when he took his own life. He was a victim. Janis Joplin. Jimi Hendrix. Paul Gray. Many others. Now look at Steve Tyler, who beat addcition. Dave Gahan, who beat addcition. Ozzy Osbourne - these guys are viewed as heros to many. Just because they got lucky and broke the cycle before it killed them. Yet a few years earlier.....
Pretty f***ed up world we live in.How would I write my own epitaph? With a crayon - I'm not allowed anything I can sharpen to a sustainable point.
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It is sad when anyone dies, especially the young. Sometimes people just make mistakes and it takes them down roads they are not fit to travel. I think a bit more compassion and reasoning surrounding Amy Winehouse's death may be appropriate. After all, the media recently has has most of its true colours ousted and isn't over yet, just makes you think how much the tabloids and papparazzi add pressure to someone in the limelight for any reason.
Just remember, this was someones little girl, whatever has happened along the way.0 -
El Fredster wrote:balthazar wrote:Some descriptions of a young lady who died recently.
By somebody called "MountainMonster":
(In reply to news of her death)MountainMonster wrote:Thank god.MountainMonster wrote:a herion crazed whore alcaholic,
...a drug crazed lunatic,
...a crack whore
...Same with the majority of hookers, why should I feel sorry for them when they get AIDs and die.
...just another dead junkie
Collating those comments was one of the most unpleasant half-hours I've ever spent.
Agreed - pretty nasty stuff.
But I wouldn't worry about it too much. Whenever I browse these forums I see his posts all over the place. But I put that down to him being one of these people who feel the need to post despite having nothing interesting to say.
Care to back up how most of my posts are nothing of interest? Most of my posts come in threads where the OP has asked, how do I get better at X, and I reply with how to. Not exactly un-interesting, when it is answering the question asked.
As far as you Balthazar, I guess we'll agree to disagree on this topic.0 -
My final thought on this subject is:
What Amy might have been she was still a daughter/sister to her family, in just the same way a soldier is to theirs or a Norwegian student is to thiers or a Somali famine victem is to theirs.
I look at my son and think what if it was him? How would I feel if he died in whatever circumstances? Would I call him a crack crazed whore or a muslim murdering warmonger or a grasping charity case? Of course not! And neither have any of us the right to call someone elses child by those terrible names. Let them all rest in peace and their poor families have some as well.Norfolk, who nicked all the hills?
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MountainMonster wrote:
Care to back up how most of my posts are nothing of interest? Most of my posts come in threads where the OP has asked, how do I get better at X, and I reply with how to. Not exactly un-interesting, when it is answering the question asked.
I find your off topic posts interesting, amusing and worth a read, so carry on.0 -
One Man And His Bike wrote:MountainMonster wrote:
Care to back up how most of my posts are nothing of interest? Most of my posts come in threads where the OP has asked, how do I get better at X, and I reply with how to. Not exactly un-interesting, when it is answering the question asked.
I find your off topic posts interesting, amusing and worth a read, so carry on.
I won't be stopping don't worry. I don't scared or intimited by 14 posters 0 -
MountainMonster wrote:One Man And His Bike wrote:MountainMonster wrote:
Care to back up how most of my posts are nothing of interest? Most of my posts come in threads where the OP has asked, how do I get better at X, and I reply with how to. Not exactly un-interesting, when it is answering the question asked.
I find your off topic posts interesting, amusing and worth a read, so carry on.
I won't be stopping don't worry. I don't scared or intimited by 14 posters
Fair enough. Perhaps when my post count is higher you'll be 'intimited'. Or even intimidated.
Not entirely sure that my intention was to 'scare' you mind. Rather, I was trying to find a reason for some of your previous comments. Anyway...0 -
When I last told you to go away, MountainMonster, you sloped off back to Crudcatcher and promptly wrote an insulting post.
Judging by your decision to disappear from here, there is hope that your studies in diplomacy are finally beginning to rub off.0 -
deptfordmarmoset wrote:When I last told you to go away, MountainMonster, you sloped off back to Crudcatcher and promptly wrote an insulting post.
Judging by your decision to disappear from here, there is hope that your studies in diplomacy are finally beginning to rub off.
When was it you told me to go away? Which post was this insulting post if you wouldn't mind linking? I have hardly disappeard, kind of hard to reply when nothing new has been posted!
You sure are a touchy one though it seems. Didn't know you could get so worked up about a forum, and a post about the death of a popstar!0 -
All of the above bickering is childish. :roll:0
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deptfordmarmoset wrote:
deptfordmarmoset - all I can say is thank you for linking that first topic. It almost made me laugh out loud. This guy is studying diplomatic relations? :shock:0 -
With a bit of luck, Pete Doherty will be next.Remember that you are an Englishman and thus have won first prize in the lottery of life.0
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deptfordmarmoset wrote:
Wow you refer to 2 posts 6 months ago?
And when was it you told me to go away? As i've only been in road forum for about 2 months at most!0 -
MountainMonster wrote:Didn't know you could get so worked up about a forum, and a post about the death of a popstar!
Imagine what it will be like when Simon Cowell pops his clogs? :shock:0 -
MountainMonster wrote:deptfordmarmoset wrote:
Wow you refer to 2 posts 6 months ago?
And when was it you told me to go away? As i've only been in road forum for about 2 months at most!
In the first link. I'll quote it for you.MountainMonster, from time to students do ask for survey responses. Usually they are polite and constructive and so are the respondents. You have just made a body of cyclists less likely to take other more interested students' work less seriously.
In effect, where advice was given, your response has been that you don't really care, that it's not important. If it's not important get yourself a job in a call centre and leave us (and our amassed expertise) in peace. You're patronising us, and spoiling the ground for other more serious students. Go away!0 -
Ah yeah, that little snippet of magic!
I remember that, brought a right smile to my face! Just like this thread!0 -
Just a thought that struck me today... Is there some gender issue here? Only reason I ask is because you use the word 'whore' which is quite gender specific. (Not sure why you called her that but that's another question)
If this had been September 1970 and Jimi Hendrix had just died and we were posting on a cycling forum back then, what would your thoughts have been on that? Given that he died at the same age and it was a drugs/alcohol related death?
Just trying to figure out where your intense dislike comes from.
Oh by the way, after much thought I think this is my favouite Amy Winehouse song... well, today anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojdbDYahiCQ&ob=av3n
...although I think this was her first single and the first time I fell in love with her music...
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Heavymental wrote:Just a thought that struck me today... Is there some gender issue here? Only reason I ask is because you use the word 'whore' which is quite gender specific. (Not sure why you called her that but that's another question)
If this had been September 1970 and Jimi Hendrix had just died and we were posting on a cycling forum back then, what would your thoughts have been on that? Given that he died at the same age and it was a drugs/alcohol related death?
Just trying to figure out where your intense dislike comes from.
Oh by the way, after much thought I think this is my favouite Amy Winehouse song... well, today anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojdbDYahiCQ&ob=av3n
...although I think this was her first single and the first time I fell in love with her music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYE0DYI ... ure=relmfu
I use the term whore for any girl who feels the need to dress in skimpy clothig in an attempt to have sex appeal. Although men can be whores as well, as they only think about sex, and if you have multiple partners you are a whore. Not saying that was the case with Winehouse, but could very well have been.
Jimi Hendrix is the same thing for me, he may have had talent, but he was just a druggie at the end of the day, so opinion is of the same. Kurt Kobain too.0 -
MountainMonster wrote:Heavymental wrote:Just a thought that struck me today... Is there some gender issue here? Only reason I ask is because you use the word 'whore' which is quite gender specific. (Not sure why you called her that but that's another question)
If this had been September 1970 and Jimi Hendrix had just died and we were posting on a cycling forum back then, what would your thoughts have been on that? Given that he died at the same age and it was a drugs/alcohol related death?
Just trying to figure out where your intense dislike comes from.
Oh by the way, after much thought I think this is my favouite Amy Winehouse song... well, today anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojdbDYahiCQ&ob=av3n
...although I think this was her first single and the first time I fell in love with her music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYE0DYI ... ure=relmfu
I use the term whore for any girl who feels the need to dress in skimpy clothig in an attempt to have sex appeal. Although men can be whores as well, as they only think about sex, and if you have multiple partners you are a whore. Not saying that was the case with Winehouse, but could very well have been.
Jimi Hendrix is the same thing for me, he may have had talent, but he was just a druggie at the end of the day, so opinion is of the same. Kurt Kobain too.
Oh ok. That's interesting. So the obvious follow up to that I suppose is the question about drugs. Do you look down on anyone who used drugs or just those who died from using them? And is alcohol included or is it just harder drugs you object to? Obviously there's many examples of musicians and other artists who have used drugs so I guess it's interesting to know where the line is drawn.
I suppose with the clothing issue it's hard to know what her motivation was for what she wore. We can't know if it was purely for 'sex appeal'. I personally wouldn't say that she wore anything too outrageous. I don't think she was renowned for dressing provocatively. I presume you include most women in pop music to be whores? Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Jessy J, Madonna, Rihanna etc?0 -
Heavymental wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Heavymental wrote:Just a thought that struck me today... Is there some gender issue here? Only reason I ask is because you use the word 'whore' which is quite gender specific. (Not sure why you called her that but that's another question)
If this had been September 1970 and Jimi Hendrix had just died and we were posting on a cycling forum back then, what would your thoughts have been on that? Given that he died at the same age and it was a drugs/alcohol related death?
Just trying to figure out where your intense dislike comes from.
Oh by the way, after much thought I think this is my favouite Amy Winehouse song... well, today anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojdbDYahiCQ&ob=av3n
...although I think this was her first single and the first time I fell in love with her music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYE0DYI ... ure=relmfu
I use the term whore for any girl who feels the need to dress in skimpy clothig in an attempt to have sex appeal. Although men can be whores as well, as they only think about sex, and if you have multiple partners you are a whore. Not saying that was the case with Winehouse, but could very well have been.
Jimi Hendrix is the same thing for me, he may have had talent, but he was just a druggie at the end of the day, so opinion is of the same. Kurt Kobain too.
Oh ok. That's interesting. So the obvious follow up to that I suppose is the question about drugs. Do you look down on anyone who used drugs or just those who died from using them? And is alcohol included or is it just harder drugs you object to? Obviously there's many examples of musicians and other artists who have used drugs so I guess it's interesting to know where the line is drawn.
I suppose with the clothing issue it's hard to know what her motivation was for what she wore. We can't know if it was purely for 'sex appeal'. I personally wouldn't say that she wore anything too outrageous. I don't think she was renowned for dressing provocatively. I presume you include most women in pop music to be whores? Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Jessy J, Madonna, Rihanna etc?
Beyonce not so much, as she does often dress with a bit of class, but did you really ask me if I think Lady GaGa dresses like a whore. That's like asking gary glitter if he likes kids!
As far as with the drugs, as I've said many times, if you do drugs and die because of it, I won't feel one bit of sorrow about your death, as it was your bad choice. The family deserves grieving, but I personally couldn't care less.
With amy winehouse, the thing I love is that her family offered her help, and she decided to create a song with the lyrics "their trying to make me go to rehab, but I'm like no no no", as if her explicit drug use is something to be proud of. That mixed with the age group of most people who listen to her music being easily influenced, is just a terrible combo. Her family deserves respect for trying to help, but she deserves no respect.I don't even understand why people even care about celebrities in the first place!0 -
MountainMonster wrote:Heavymental wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Heavymental wrote:Just a thought that struck me today... Is there some gender issue here? Only reason I ask is because you use the word 'whore' which is quite gender specific. (Not sure why you called her that but that's another question)
If this had been September 1970 and Jimi Hendrix had just died and we were posting on a cycling forum back then, what would your thoughts have been on that? Given that he died at the same age and it was a drugs/alcohol related death?
Just trying to figure out where your intense dislike comes from.
Oh by the way, after much thought I think this is my favouite Amy Winehouse song... well, today anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojdbDYahiCQ&ob=av3n
...although I think this was her first single and the first time I fell in love with her music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYE0DYI ... ure=relmfu
I use the term whore for any girl who feels the need to dress in skimpy clothig in an attempt to have sex appeal. Although men can be whores as well, as they only think about sex, and if you have multiple partners you are a whore. Not saying that was the case with Winehouse, but could very well have been.
Jimi Hendrix is the same thing for me, he may have had talent, but he was just a druggie at the end of the day, so opinion is of the same. Kurt Kobain too.
Oh ok. That's interesting. So the obvious follow up to that I suppose is the question about drugs. Do you look down on anyone who used drugs or just those who died from using them? And is alcohol included or is it just harder drugs you object to? Obviously there's many examples of musicians and other artists who have used drugs so I guess it's interesting to know where the line is drawn.
I suppose with the clothing issue it's hard to know what her motivation was for what she wore. We can't know if it was purely for 'sex appeal'. I personally wouldn't say that she wore anything too outrageous. I don't think she was renowned for dressing provocatively. I presume you include most women in pop music to be whores? Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Jessy J, Madonna, Rihanna etc?
Beyonce not so much, as she does often dress with a bit of class, but did you really ask me if I think Lady GaGa dresses like a whore. That's like asking gary glitter if he likes kids!
As far as with the drugs, as I've said many times, if you do drugs and die because of it, I won't feel one bit of sorrow about your death, as it was your bad choice. The family deserves grieving, but I personally couldn't care less.
With amy winehouse, the thing I love is that her family offered her help, and she decided to create a song with the lyrics "their trying to make me go to rehab, but I'm like no no no", as if her explicit drug use is something to be proud of. That mixed with the age group of most people who listen to her music being easily influenced, is just a terrible combo. Her family deserves respect for trying to help, but she deserves no respect.I don't even understand why people even care about celebrities in the first place!
Well, the word celebrity has been kind of diluted hasn't it? I mean, there are some people who are labelled 'celebrities' who don't really have any talent at all. Apart from self promotion or infact just a 'car crash tv' quality to them. Jade Goody is a good example here. The trouble is, when people like that die, it's not the end of people like that. It's just the end of that particular incarnation of that trend. Hence we still have 'car crash tv' celebrities now she has gone. Kerry Katona for example. When Simon Cowell dies, another similar individual will take his place. That's the nature of popular culture. The population craves these personalities who fit certain moulds. From Katie Price to Kate Middleton there's usually someone who fits a certain typecast. Jade Goody's death wasn't the end of an era. Just the end of particular player of a part at a point in time. For that reason, there's no point feeling happy as there will be plenty more like her along sooner or later.
That said. It's still morally wrong to laugh or feel relief at her death. She was a harmless sideshow who many people identified with (for whatever reason!)
What's different about Amy Winehouse is that although she was a celebrity, she was a celebrity with enormous talent. Like David Beckham or Beyonce. All three are 'celebrities' but I don't think anyone could argue they have/had talent? Do you not think Amy Winehouse had any talent? You recognise Jimi Hendrix had talent but if this had been 1970, would you not have felt sad that the world didn't get to hear everything he had to offer?
You say you don't understand why people care. Can you not take a stab at trying to understand it or are you really completely in the dark?0 -
Heavymental wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Heavymental wrote:MountainMonster wrote:Heavymental wrote:Just a thought that struck me today... Is there some gender issue here? Only reason I ask is because you use the word 'whore' which is quite gender specific. (Not sure why you called her that but that's another question)
If this had been September 1970 and Jimi Hendrix had just died and we were posting on a cycling forum back then, what would your thoughts have been on that? Given that he died at the same age and it was a drugs/alcohol related death?
Just trying to figure out where your intense dislike comes from.
Oh by the way, after much thought I think this is my favouite Amy Winehouse song... well, today anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojdbDYahiCQ&ob=av3n
...although I think this was her first single and the first time I fell in love with her music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYE0DYI ... ure=relmfu
I use the term whore for any girl who feels the need to dress in skimpy clothig in an attempt to have sex appeal. Although men can be whores as well, as they only think about sex, and if you have multiple partners you are a whore. Not saying that was the case with Winehouse, but could very well have been.
Jimi Hendrix is the same thing for me, he may have had talent, but he was just a druggie at the end of the day, so opinion is of the same. Kurt Kobain too.
Oh ok. That's interesting. So the obvious follow up to that I suppose is the question about drugs. Do you look down on anyone who used drugs or just those who died from using them? And is alcohol included or is it just harder drugs you object to? Obviously there's many examples of musicians and other artists who have used drugs so I guess it's interesting to know where the line is drawn.
I suppose with the clothing issue it's hard to know what her motivation was for what she wore. We can't know if it was purely for 'sex appeal'. I personally wouldn't say that she wore anything too outrageous. I don't think she was renowned for dressing provocatively. I presume you include most women in pop music to be whores? Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Christina Aguilera, Jessy J, Madonna, Rihanna etc?
Beyonce not so much, as she does often dress with a bit of class, but did you really ask me if I think Lady GaGa dresses like a whore. That's like asking gary glitter if he likes kids!
As far as with the drugs, as I've said many times, if you do drugs and die because of it, I won't feel one bit of sorrow about your death, as it was your bad choice. The family deserves grieving, but I personally couldn't care less.
With amy winehouse, the thing I love is that her family offered her help, and she decided to create a song with the lyrics "their trying to make me go to rehab, but I'm like no no no", as if her explicit drug use is something to be proud of. That mixed with the age group of most people who listen to her music being easily influenced, is just a terrible combo. Her family deserves respect for trying to help, but she deserves no respect.I don't even understand why people even care about celebrities in the first place!
Well, the word celebrity has been kind of diluted hasn't it? I mean, there are some people who are labelled 'celebrities' who don't really have any talent at all. Apart from self promotion or infact just a 'car crash tv' quality to them. Jade Goody is a good example here. The trouble is, when people like that die, it's not the end of people like that. It's just the end of that particular incarnation of that trend. Hence we still have 'car crash tv' celebrities now she has gone. Kerry Katona for example. When Simon Cowell dies, another similar individual will take his place. That's the nature of popular culture. The population craves these personalities who fit certain moulds. From Katie Price to Kate Middleton there's usually someone who fits a certain typecast. Jade Goody's death wasn't the end of an era. Just the end of particular player of a part at a point in time. For that reason, there's no point feeling happy as there will be plenty more like her along sooner or later.
That said. It's still morally wrong to laugh or feel relief at her death. She was a harmless sideshow who many people identified with (for whatever reason!)
What's different about Amy Winehouse is that although she was a celebrity, she was a celebrity with enormous talent. Like David Beckham or Beyonce. All three are 'celebrities' but I don't think anyone could argue they have/had talent? Do you not think Amy Winehouse had any talent? You recognise Jimi Hendrix had talent but if this had been 1970, would you not have felt sad that the world didn't get to hear everything he had to offer?
You say you don't understand why people care. Can you not take a stab at trying to understand it or are you really completely in the dark?
I understand the principle behind it, its not hard. I just don't get why people care so much about them. I guess it gives them something to take their mind off their boring life, forcing them to watch the t.v. Because they have nothing better to do. I just don't understand why it is so important for people.
And yes amy winehouse did have talent, as with Hendrix and countless other celebrities. I'm not disputing that fact in any way, I'm just stating that she as a popular person set a terrible stage for her life, let down her family and her fans by barely even performing at concerts that funded her addiction. It may be cold, but think of what she has done, and you will see my point of my view. You may think I'm some big bad arsole cause I don't feel any sadness she is gone, but at the end of the day, if she hadn't have been lucky and landed a record deal, she would probably be living in a crack house or something. I feel pain for her family, for her friends and the people close to her whose lives she selfishly ruined through her addiction, but for herself I don't think its so much of a loss. As you say, another will come take her place anyways to dazzle the gossips columns and give the munchkins something to worship. Hopefully this time, they will set a good example.0 -
Stop feeding time please.0
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dmclite wrote:Stop feeding time please.
Lol no please don't. This is keeping me well entertained.0
