Amy Winehouse Dead
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fast as fupp wrote:addiction is a disease not a lifestyle choice
No, a disease is something completely different. Addiction is completely psychological, ie. completely in the head. Should you choose to stop, given a strong enough will, you will stop that addiction. You don't choose when you don't have a disease anymore, but you can choose to end your addiction to cocaine, heroin, cigarettes or chocolate.
Saying addiction is a disease is like saying obesity is a disease. You get diseases from being obese, but it's not a disease.0 -
lifestyle choice? oh yeah i think ill become a smackhead today!
its not a conscious choice addiction is often a symptom of a mental illness or condition to say its a lifestyle choice is facile.
it seems de rigeur these days to attack the more unfortunate and troubled members of our society
i.e the undeserving poor, good AIDS v bad AIDS well be bringing back Bedlam next and the workhouses.'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0 -
Why do people think she had any sort of talent? Too my ears her voice grated like a tom-cat spoiling for a fight. And then she vandalised herself with shabby tats, what a role model!0
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Cressers wrote:Why do people think she had any sort of talent? Too my ears her voice grated like a tom-cat spoiling for a fight. And then she vandalised herself with shabby tats, what a role model!
You're confusing someone with talent and role models.
She wrote good quality pop songs. Not to my taste, but that's a different discussion.0 -
You can cover-up a lot with some competent musicians.0
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Boyzone sold a lot of records and were/are well liked.0
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That you can be popular without having any talent, and that your death, though tragic, can be overblown by the media.0
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Various forms of addiction are defined under mental disorders in the ICD-9 (the International Classification of Diseases), a medical classification system adopted by the WHO and the World Medical Council. http://www.icd9data.com/2011/Volume1/29 ... efault.htmMountainMonster wrote:fast as fupp wrote:addiction is a disease not a lifestyle choice
No, a disease is something completely different. Addiction is completely psychological, ie. completely in the head. Should you choose to stop, given a strong enough will, you will stop that addiction. You don't choose when you don't have a disease anymore, but you can choose to end your addiction to cocaine, heroin, cigarettes or chocolate.
Saying addiction is a disease is like saying obesity is a disease. You get diseases from being obese, but it's not a disease.
obesity appears here:
http://www.icd9data.com/2011/Volume1/24 ... /278.0.htm0 -
Unless I'm missing something, this seems to be a coding system for death certificates, rather than a strict classification of diseases. Other codes include ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code E881.0 : accidentally falling from a ladder
http://www.icd9data.com/2011/Volume1/E000-E999/E880-E888/E881/E881.0.htm
The terrible disease that killed Rod Hull, IIRC.
I don't mean to make light of Amy Winehouse's death. I'm not in a position to make any judgements on her life. But she struck me as a bloody strong willed individual who lived life on her own terms. I think it's somehow disrespectful to imply that she was a victim of anything other than her own wilful nature. She did what she wanted and it killed her.0 -
It is a code for diagnosing diseases and causes of death, but various forms of dependency appear in the section "mental disorders".CrackFox wrote:Unless I'm missing something, this seems to be a coding system for death certificates, rather than a strict classification of diseases. Other codes include ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code E881.0 : accidentally falling from a ladder0 -
New to the world of medical coding? ICD-9-CM codes are used throughout the healthcare industry to describe diseases, injuries, symptoms and conditions.
Obesity is not a disease, addiction is not a disease, mental health issues are not diseases, they are conditions.0 -
alfablue wrote:
It is a code for diagnosing diseases and causes of death, but various forms of dependency appear in the section "mental disorders".CrackFox wrote:Unless I'm missing something, this seems to be a coding system for death certificates, rather than a strict classification of diseases. Other codes include ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code E881.0 : accidentally falling from a ladder
Yep, it's a coding system. Not a definition, or as it likes to be called, classification system. It may have started out life as disease classification, but it isn't anymore.
Simply by including '2011 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis Code E881.0 Accidental fall from ladder' contradicts it's title, of International Disease Classification. That's not to say that nothing in there is a disease, just that not everything in there is a disease.
You hit the nail on the head by stating that various forms of dependency appear in the section "mental disorders". Disorders, not diseases.
This in itself again indicates that the IDC is just a title, and nothing more, as something like herion addiction is a physiological dependency, not a mental disorder, or a disease.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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No, they can be a result of a disease, but they are not diseases in themselves. See the definition above.pb21 wrote:schweiz wrote:mental health issues are not diseases
Yes they are.
And, if you're going to make a statement, you should at least back it up.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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MattC59 wrote:
To quote yourself:Disease:
A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
I would say depression is a condition that affects the brain, and is caused by either a genetic defect or anvironmental stress, and has identifiable signs and symptoms.Mañana0 -
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pb21 wrote:schweiz wrote:mental health issues are not diseases
Yes they are.
Nope, diseases have a physical representation of the disease itself, visible problems in terms of medical outlooks. I don't think you can see a mental health issue physically, except for in some cases different activation of neurons in certain sections of the brain. That, however, is brain activity, and not a physical representation.
The ICS is used by morgues to explain ones death, be it the result of falling from a ladder, hit by a car, drug overdose or lung cancer. Just because it appears on the list, does not make it a disease.
As per the title of the mental dependencies, it is a disorder, disorders can often be cured through therapeutic measure (counceling, acupuncture, stress relief exercises....).
Obesity is not a disease. It can be caused by someone who HAS a disease, and as a reult has very low metabolism, or must taking prescription drugs to control the symptoms, which for many of these a side effect is weight gain.
But to say drug addiction, obesity and any addiction in general is a disease, then almost every person on earth has diseases, as there is not a single person on earth who does not have some form of addiction in their life. By that statement as well, all of us cyclists are ridden with diseases, as we are often obsessed and addicted to cycling.
So, wanna rethink your statement?0 -
pb21 wrote:MattC59 wrote:
To quote yourself:Disease:
A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
I would say depression is a condition that affects the brain, and is caused by either a genetic defect or anvironmental stress, and has identifiable signs and symptoms.
Actually, yes you're correct, in what you say above, sort of. But you have missed out one word which changes your above statement completely. "Pathalogical". Depression is a condition, but not a pathological condition, as mentioned above. It's also a specific mental health issue, not the general 'mental health issues' you mention above.
All of which is somewhat irrelevant in this discussion, as drug addication is a physiological addiction, rather than a mental addiction, such as gambling.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved0 -
AW was given plenty of time/chances to sort herself out and failed. The folk on here being less than charitable, what are their feelings to cyclists who have taken drugs be they performance enhancing or recreational, some of whom have perished others that have not?Tail end Charlie
The above post may contain traces of sarcasm or/and bullsh*t.0 -
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Well, if you do anything which is detrimental to your health, or is illegal, and you're given every opportunity to stop, but you don't, and you suffer the consequences, you can hardly expect sympathy.Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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On the 18th July a true british hero was killed fighting for our country. Did you know this? Do you know his name? Do you care? A crackhead (amy winehouse) addicted to drugs and alchohol dies and its all over the news, facebook and twitter in minutes!!!!RIP Corporal Mark Anthony Palin from 1st battalion the rifles0
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millymoose wrote:On the 18th July a true british hero was killed fighting for our country. Did you know this? Do you know his name? Do you care? A crackhead (amy winehouse) addicted to drugs and alchohol dies and its all over the news, facebook and twitter in minutes!!!!RIP Corporal Mark Anthony Palin from 1st battalion the rifles
That's the people who we should be caring about when they die, not some lady who got lucky and hit it big.0 -
Isn't joining the armed forces carrying a gun and accepting the risks of armed conflict a lifestyle choice?'dont forget lads, one evertonian is worth twenty kopites'0
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fast as fupp wrote:Isn't joining the armed forces carrying a gun and accepting the risks of armed conflict a lifestyle choice?
What! like taking drugs? Thereby the grace of god...........0 -
Oh and by the way £16k a year and no 'adoring' fans who gulp down the cult of celebrity and have no airs and graces, they would lay down their liife for you and your right to slag them off.0
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fast as fupp wrote:Isn't joining the armed forces carrying a gun and accepting the risks of armed conflict a lifestyle choice?
possibly a little harsh ! :shock:Science adjusts it’s beliefs based on what’s observed.
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MountainMonster wrote:millymoose wrote:On the 18th July a true british hero was killed fighting for our country. Did you know this? Do you know his name? Do you care? A crackhead (amy winehouse) addicted to drugs and alchohol dies and its all over the news, facebook and twitter in minutes!!!!RIP Corporal Mark Anthony Palin from 1st battalion the rifles
That's the people who we should be caring about when they die, not some SLAG who got lucky and hit it big.
FTFY and yep millymoose is bang on the money!0 -
fast as fupp wrote:Isn't joining the armed forces carrying a gun and accepting the risks of armed conflict a lifestyle choice?
Yes, it is, and as hard as it sounds, for soldiers, dying in Afghanistan is an occupational hazard.
The music industry is awash with booze and drugs and a young artist who is catapaulted to stardom will have those temptations thrown at them.
Who are we to moralize about their behaviour unless we've experienced that for ourselves?0
