The Lance hits the fan...

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Ah the old Moray: "you are all LA obssessives bar me," deflection approach.

    Let's point him in the direction of the CyclingNews Clinic forum. Then he'll know what LA obsessives are really like.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Just got back from a really nice ski trip and am glad to see you guys are still at it. In the two weeks I was gone I never saw the forum, or thought about cycling, or checked the stock market, or really did anything other than the usual ski resort stuff. It was quite nice. You guys should try it. Much better than worrying about doping in cycling, or even worrying about cycling period. :wink::wink::wink:
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    dennisn wrote:
    Just got back from a really nice ski trip and am glad to see you guys are still at it. In the two weeks I was gone I never saw the forum, or thought about cycling, or checked the stock market, or really did anything other than the usual ski resort stuff. It was quite nice. You guys should try it. Much better than worrying about doping in cycling, or even worrying about cycling period. :wink::wink::wink:

    I did once. I broke two ribs. Never again. I hate snow.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784

    But there was no scenario in my mind where I was ever going to get the chance to race the Tour de France and win clean. There was no good scenario. It was either cheat or get cheated. And I’d rather not be the guy getting cheated.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Firecrakka
    Firecrakka Posts: 81
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Firecrakka wrote:
    Dave_1 wrote:
    Firecrakka wrote:
    apparently not. :lol:

    indeed. Care to expand on the point you think I miss?

    You seriously don't see anything on that old poster that could be considered amusing?

    NO. I like cycling and have a grudging respect for anyone who was that good. Do you?

    I have respect for anyone that competes at the highest level in any sport. A respect for their abilities.
    Now when the reasons for those abilities come in to question, I tend to reserve my judgement and respect until such time that I am happy with all the information I have at hand to make a considered decision. My respect is not given blindly.

    I also have a sense of humour that is totally independant of my respect for ones abilities.
    Obviously, you do not. That's fine, humour is subjective.
    I'm happy for you to be a humourless grouch as it make no difference to me what so ever.
    Have a lovely day. :lol:
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Arkibal wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Arkibal: This will cheer you up. :wink:
    Floyd tells all to Paul Kimmage.

    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/public/magazine/article524615.ece
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    Out tomorrow.

    Thanks! :D
    I trust you will quote the best parts?

    How can anybody be down on a man wearing a hat as cool as that?
    ___________________

    Strava is not Zen.
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    I guess Dennis didn't pick up a copy of Sports Illustrated whilst he was on his ski trip then?
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Monty Dog wrote:
    I guess Dennis didn't pick up a copy of Sports Illustrated whilst he was on his ski trip then?

    I didn't pick up a copy of anything other than a resort trail map and a few charge card receipts. Don't even know what happened with SI and strangely enough I really don't care. :wink::wink:
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Nice to have you back, Dennis.

    Unfortunately, I spent £2.20 of my hard earned cash on a copy of The Sunday Times just so I could read the Kimmage article (which was actually quite disappointing, for Kimmage anyway). Anyway, I chanced upon a rather disturbing article on chalet girls, y'know, the sex, the drugs, the drink that you skiers have to indulge in.

    Oh, and a couple of pages purely devoted to speculating on The Wedding Dress.
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Tusher wrote:
    Nice to have you back, Dennis.

    Unfortunately, I spent £2.20 of my hard earned cash on a copy of The Sunday Times just so I could read the Kimmage article (which was actually quite disappointing, for Kimmage anyway). Anyway, I chanced upon a rather disturbing article on chalet girls, y'know, the sex, the drugs, the drink that you skiers have to indulge in.

    Oh, and a couple of pages purely devoted to speculating on The Wedding Dress.

    I know. It's a tough thing to have to do. Having all that fun, food, and drink, but someone has to do it. Oh, the sacrifices I make!!
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Welll, I've re-read it, and I think I preferred it second time around.

    Oh, and there's baby stuff about Elton John and his husband. And some pretty photos (in the Landis article, not the Elton baby one, well, also the baby one).

    Actually, because it's in the magazine and not the Sports Sections, it'll attract an entirely different section of the population. It's well written, of course, and easily digestible to a drowsy Sunday afternoon readership. This is Mainstream with a capital M.

    Which is Good.
  • wicked
    wicked Posts: 844
    A bit more from the mechanic Anderson here
    http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/02/ ... him_158382
    It’s the most beautiful sport in the world but it’s governed by ***ts who have turned it into a crock of ****.
  • hommelbier
    hommelbier Posts: 1,556
    The Tour of California organisers have changed the responsibility for doping control from the UCI to USADA but could it really be to allow LA to race in the event, as it seems he may not have been eligible up to now?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j81oSh2_NPlz2xGkViE62VRYSTGA?docId=CNG.f968fdb92bea70bffa0a5d1a3fc0559e.821
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    hommelbier wrote:
    The Tour of California organisers have changed the responsibility for doping control from the UCI to USADA but could it really be to allow LA to race in the event, as it seems he may not have been eligible up to now?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j81oSh2_NPlz2xGkViE62VRYSTGA?docId=CNG.f968fdb92bea70bffa0a5d1a3fc0559e.821

    If he rode the TDU, he must have an up tp date passport, so I doubt doping controls would be a bar to his entry.
    However, Cali did have a rule in 2010 that would have probably kept Armstrong out.
    So what did they do? Remove the rule, of course.
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/amgen-t ... ation-rule
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • moray_gub
    moray_gub Posts: 3,328
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    hommelbier wrote:
    The Tour of California organisers have changed the responsibility for doping control from the UCI to USADA but could it really be to allow LA to race in the event, as it seems he may not have been eligible up to now?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j81oSh2_NPlz2xGkViE62VRYSTGA?docId=CNG.f968fdb92bea70bffa0a5d1a3fc0559e.821

    If he rode the TDU, he must have an up tp date passport, so I doubt doping controls would be a bar to his entry.
    However, Cali did have a rule in 2010 that would have probably kept Armstrong out.
    So what did they do? Remove the rule, of course.
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/amgen-t ... ation-rule

    "[It was] USADA's recommendation to us that we remove that rule," said AEG president Andrew Messick. "It is not consistent with the WADA code, and USADA believes that it is not consistent with due process and the rights of athletes, either. The UCI (International Cycling Union) is no longer enforcing that rule is what we've been told. We feel it is inappropriate for us to be out of compliance with both USADA and the UCI with regard to issues relating to the eligibility of athletes."
    Gasping - but somehow still alive !
  • hommelbier
    hommelbier Posts: 1,556
    "The UCI (International Cycling Union) is no longer enforcing that rule" implies that the rule still exists.

    Seems to me that ToC organisers were OK with complying with the rule until it got in the way.
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Or that they've just purchased a shiny new sysmex machine :wink:
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Another example of why the Toccy Woccy isn't worthy.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    OK, more pointedly:
    "[It was] USADA's recommendation to us that we remove that rule," said AEG president Andrew Messick. "It is not consistent with the WADA code, and USADA believes that it is not consistent with due process and the rights of athletes, either. The UCI (International Cycling Union) is no longer enforcing that rule is what we've been told. We feel it is inappropriate for us to be out of compliance with both USADA and the UCI with regard to issues relating to the eligibility of athletes."


    It appears this rule change has taken place after some form conversation.
    There doesn't appear to be any written ammendment.
    Or has anyone seen a UCI press release to this confirming this is the case?
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
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    Contador is the Greatest
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    for all the talk on this thread so far the investigation hasn't actually gone anywhere. The Grand Jury, I think is over, but nothing has actually come out.

    Either there will be a massive bombshell or this might just end up going away
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    sherer wrote:
    for all the talk on this thread so far the investigation hasn't actually gone anywhere. The Grand Jury, I think is over, but nothing has actually come out.

    Either there will be a massive bombshell or this might just end up going away

    Nope. Grand jury still sitting I believe.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    Grand Jury is very much still ongoing...the fact that they haven't stopped probably means that they are still reviewing the 'evidence' - remember Greg Lemond's was 70 file boxes alone.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • hommelbier
    hommelbier Posts: 1,556
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/cycling/wires/02/12/2080.ap.cyc.lance.armstrong.investigation.1821/index.html

    Looks like it's going to be a while yet before anything is made public - if ever.

    Better maybe to look forward to watching some racing over the next few months, concentrating on the PTP instead.
  • dave_1
    dave_1 Posts: 9,512
    maybe the Lance will never hit the fan? Not looking like Jeff Novitsky going to charge LA anytime soon
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBacb2V ... ata_player
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    How long did the Balco Grand Jury take? Months? Years?

    And isn't some of it still ongoing?
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Seems by the time anything comes out of this no one will even remember who LA was
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    Ah, but all good things come to those who wait.

    Presumably, LA and company are sweating fear, enduring sleepness nights, life on hold- for how long? A short, sharp gaol sentence following a confession could come as a relief.
    And cheaper too.
  • Homer J
    Homer J Posts: 920
    If he did confess, i wonder how many he could take down with him, after all he has ridden with some of the biggest names in the sport.
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    I can't see LA ever confessing it doesn't seem to be inhis nature. I'm also pretty sure he's sleeping fine too. He's the teflon king of the peloton and so far even the GJ isn't touching him

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