Speed over 30 miles?
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just saying ,he was the who said he liked to push himself,kill himself at times, his post just appears to be full of contradiction,hey but what do i know,i stand corrected0
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I don't contradict myself, it's evident when I push myself or kill myself, I can kill myself up a hill if I wish.0
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Yeah, that's the face I'd have if I was going at 50mph up Winnats Pass.0
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Freehub is obviously a keen cyclist and seems to be putting in the miles.
I believe to get the most out of his cycling,if he is doing that much training, he should go full out this year to enter as many time trials as possible. Then he will discover his true ability and be able to demonstrate it to others.
New 2011 CTT handbook out this week. Get your copy now.0 -
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inseine wrote:Or even do some proper racing
Not until I can afford to replace bike bits, I crashed too often last year so I am not doing much proper racing this year, I'll do some TT's but I'm never that interested in em cause I know my times are crap and have only improved 1min 5 seconds over 2 years.
I'm not doing much cycle at the moment, probs averaging 60 miles per week.0 -
thats what ive pointed out, your training speeds you say you can kill yourself .but your times are slow,compared to what you can ride when training, a true mystery me thinks :?:0
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Freehub I live ilkeston side so it's very up and down before I get to cromford, matlock, etc.
I climb well simply because I have done fell running for years.
I've ran the Ben Nevis up and down in 1 hr 50 mins and always at the sharp end at most fell races I enter. This means I have very strong legs. I'm not so good on the flat but climbing is my thing.
You seem a good rider an I appreciate your posts.
To give you some idea of what the pros are like , I was lucky enough to be coming down the a6 and some of the British cycling lads were riding back to ilkeston. Dave brailsford hails from here and they can be seen doing hill reps up one of my local climbs.
I'd done about 50 miles, think I'd been to buxton. They let me ride with them until the hurt arms. God I was truly on the rivet, 53 x 11 and red lining, you can imagine the speed. I did one turn on the front and they were just chatting. They left me going up to sawmills and I was bollixed. I'd managed about 10 miles. It's amazing what a bit of competitiveness does for you. That was my five mins in the sun and I enjoyed it.
I truly feel that I train as much as I can as I work full time and have a family. Genes play a big part.
If we can get out on the bike and do a decent speed and to a point enjoy it then that's brilliant.
Cycling isn't about going fast all the time. I have my dreams and if I can do a good ride at 20mph then I'm lucky and blessed but I respect all road bikies.
If you can only manage 13 mph then so what.
There's always someone faster. , enjoy your cycling, we arnt here long enough not to.0 -
Yeh in the Manc Wheelers club there is this guy called John Brown, he is a fell runner for GB and he's proper quick up the hills, I'm lucky if I can keep up with him for one hill.0
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Oh and someone said what training you put in. I suppose a bit over a hundred miles a week on the bike and def over 40 miles running over the hills with my running partner.
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freehub wrote:Yeh in the Manc Wheelers club there is this guy called John Brown, he is a fell runner for GB and he's proper quick up the hills, I'm lucky if I can keep up with him for one hill.
Yes John does the odd fell race and is an elite fell runner.
You get one or two of the top lads riding bikes. Nick Craig who sometimes turns out for my club pennine is another.
Most people couldn't hold John brown on one hill. Maybe only 20 lads in the whole of uk fell running. They are the top ones.
I'd be about a mile a minute behind him.
Good luck with your riding this year. Appreciate the posts.0 -
Thanks.
Have you ever being on a bike with him?0 -
Interesting - I've never been a competitive fell runner but I was a mad keen hill walker and scrambler in my formative years when I lived in Scotland. I've always felt that the reason I'm fairly good on hills on the bike has a lot to do with that. It's as much psychology as anything else - when I see a hill I am in my element and feel positive about attacking it. There's also something about having a feeling for exactly where your sustainable threshold effort is that is very similar when climbing a hill on a bike (especially when out of the saddle) and on foot, but is somehow different when cycling on the flat.0
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I'm pretty crap on the flat I think, or maybe average, but when it comes to hills, I seem to be able to beat people who can absolutely paste me in races and TT's, maybe it's the fact when I am on rides I never push really hard on the flats, but when I get to hills I love em and I give it my all up them they're just so much fun, for me at least.
When I'm on a hill, I know how much I can give and I can push to the line where I know it is sustainable, where as on the flats, I don't really know how much I can give, when I did the ryedale rumble I was murdering it up the hills but at a level I know I could sustain (apart from blakey bank, I got scared at the top of there, I pushed so hard that at the top I was breathing so fast I almost could not get my breath back and felt like passing out, I did this because there was a guy going to overtake me, and I am competitive on the hills) and then coasting at 20mph on the flats (with a tailwind), and it was irritating the person behind me.0 -
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fao freehub: a comma is not a full stop.0
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"im pretty crap on the flat" but you can average 23mph over 30 miles lol lol lol priceless0
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B3rnieMac wrote:fao freehub: a comma is not a full stop.
A full stop is a full stop.chalford wrote:"im pretty crap on the flat" but you can average 23mph over 30 miles lol lol lol priceless
Well yea, I certainly was trying, it's not very good in terms of TT standards, I need to be getting to the level where on the same course I did that on I'm doing 26mph avg.0 -
the gap from riding a 25 to going to a 21 or lower is imense0
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Recording fast training averages seems to have become a new sport! I can't get near 23 mph it training but I've done 50 mile tts in under 2 hours. Like someone said, at least we're all out there riding, whatever the speed.0
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Seems a bit obvious, but some people are a lot faster on TT's than in training because TT courses are generally flatter while the bikes and clothing are more aero.
If freehub is TT'ing on his road bike then it explains a lot. Personally I don't see his training rides as particularly fast, but his TT times are poor in comparison.0 -
i must be in the wrong sport, av speed of 23mph over 30 miles on a road bike ,when training ,is very very fast,back to playing twister.rememb thats an av so your well above that speed a lot of the time, the pro tour for this guy ,ill contact sky0
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when riding solo I'll average around 16-18mph for a steady ride anything from 30-60miles, I don't think I have ever put the hammer down and gone flat out for a full 30 miles in training, tend to save that for racing (not that I'm any good, still 4th Cat after my first year and only picked up a couple of points) maybe that's where I'm going wrong. My hard rides in the summer will be mainly interval based. My average speeds from those rides are terrible ;-)0
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I do everything on one bike, it was a nice CAAD9 then I wrote it off so I'm on my old Genesis which feels sluggish compared to it. 23mph may be very fast but I'm not impressed by it pushing hard on a summer day with abit of wind.chalford wrote:i must be in the wrong sport, av speed of 23mph over 30 miles on a road bike ,when training ,is very very fast,back to playing twister.rememb thats an av so your well above that speed a lot of the time, the pro tour for this guy ,ill contact sky
But it means nothing unless I can repeat that and improve on that.
For a 10 mile TT on my road bike, and I'm not taking my mudguard off I'm aiming for under 25 this year, if I get a good 24 then I'll aim for 23, I'm going to be putting i more TT specific training, today I went out spinning fast which I never do, but apparently it helps, it wrecked me after 25 miles of it, lungs tired out, I ended up ding 56 miles at 18.0 -
Let's be clear that anything over 20 mph is moving on a 30 mile undulating course.
I don't use a computer or garmin very often just the trusty old seiko. I've done my training rides for that many years I know the exact distances.
Don't get to het up about speed over distances. We arnt getting paid to ride. Yes be competitive but try to enjoy it guys.0 -
freehub wrote:I I'm going to be putting i more TT specific training, today I ended up ding 56 miles at 18.
Not really TT specific is it?
2 x 20 intervals got me a long 22 last season.0 -
a_n_t wrote:freehub wrote:I I'm going to be putting i more TT specific training, today I ended up ding 56 miles at 18.
Not really TT specific is it?
2 x 20 intervals got me a long 22 last season.
No I know.
But I'm not like you, If all I did was short stuff like that and intervals I'd not get faster cause I'd be bored and never do them, fair enough you have a familiy and a full time job so you can't do anywhere near as much as me if you even wanted to. But atm I don't like to cycle only to do TT's.0 -
do you ever stop and read through your posts ,and realise how stupid you sound0
