Speed over 30 miles?

freehub

mrwibble wrote:

stagger wrote:

mrwibble wrote:

I'm 42 and recently did 30 miles at 20 mph average on my onw. I was broken after though...

is it a fast bike, the onw?

jeez, round the peak district this time of year 14-15mph is hard enough , all you boys doing 20mph obviously live somewhere not too hilly...!

most of it was flat, I live in the Vale of York... I was still buggered tho

Where bouts in the Vale of York? Some of it is quite bumpy you know!, get to Sheriff Hutton, you can get some long drags and a nice 17%er there, I use a 10 mile circuit there as a benchmark, actually a club 10 circuit for the club 10 of Clifton CC club.

oldwelshman wrote:

freehub wrote:

I'm going to think twice before racing again cause I don't want to write another bike off.

Maybe you should try insurance !

Doe snot cover against crashes in a race tho.

briantrumpet

freehub wrote:

Doe snot

That must be even worse than wet leaves at this time of year.

oldwelshman

freehub wrote:

mrwibble wrote:

stagger wrote:

mrwibble wrote:

I'm 42 and recently did 30 miles at 20 mph average on my onw. I was broken after though...

is it a fast bike, the onw?

jeez, round the peak district this time of year 14-15mph is hard enough , all you boys doing 20mph obviously live somewhere not too hilly...!

most of it was flat, I live in the Vale of York... I was still buggered tho

Where bouts in the Vale of York? Some of it is quite bumpy you know!, get to Sheriff Hutton, you can get some long drags and a nice 17%er there, I use a 10 mile circuit there as a benchmark, actually a club 10 circuit for the club 10 of Clifton CC club.

oldwelshman wrote:

freehub wrote:

I'm going to think twice before racing again cause I don't want to write another bike off.

Maybe you should try insurance !

Doe snot cover against crashes in a race tho.

Really? I got £4300 for a crash in July paid into my account 2 weeks later after repair estimate.

freehub

oldwelshman wrote:

freehub wrote:

mrwibble wrote:

stagger wrote:

mrwibble wrote:

I'm 42 and recently did 30 miles at 20 mph average on my onw. I was broken after though...

is it a fast bike, the onw?

jeez, round the peak district this time of year 14-15mph is hard enough , all you boys doing 20mph obviously live somewhere not too hilly...!

most of it was flat, I live in the Vale of York... I was still buggered tho

Where bouts in the Vale of York? Some of it is quite bumpy you know!, get to Sheriff Hutton, you can get some long drags and a nice 17%er there, I use a 10 mile circuit there as a benchmark, actually a club 10 circuit for the club 10 of Clifton CC club.

oldwelshman wrote:

freehub wrote:

I'm going to think twice before racing again cause I don't want to write another bike off.

Maybe you should try insurance !

Doe snot cover against crashes in a race tho.

Really? I got £4300 for a crash in July paid into my account 2 weeks later after repair estimate.

Who you with?

How much does it cost to insure it?

briantrumpet wrote:

freehub wrote:

Doe snot

That must be even worse than wet leaves at this time of year.

I believe wet leaves and all the crap is known as "Belgian toothpaste"

Velonutter

Pokerface wrote:

OK - props to WIll for doing a 180 mile ride at 19mph avg. I couldn't do a 180 miles without putting a bullet in my brain from the boredom, let alone at 19mph - and a big climb in there too.

Bloody hell, have to agree Pokerface...180 miles at 19 mph +, bloody brilliant result.

When we did the Manc 100 this year we averaged 19.6 for the first 55 miles then paid for it big style for the remaining 45 miles which brought the overall average down to 18.5.

The course only had 3500 ft of climbing and most of the ride the wind wasn't a problem.

On my own I usually average 18-19.5 mph over up to 50 miles, but can I get my average over 20...nah at 51 my max heart rate has been 171, but I can hold 150 for quite a while.

On social club runs our speeds can be as slow as 15mph to 19.5mph, horses for courses really and depends what you want from the ride that day.

Don't forget winter clobber, cold weather and your winter trainer bike will drop your average up to 2-3 mph.

Willy waving.... I wish I could but at my age it's gone into hibernation :shock:

freehub

My winter bike is my only bike now, all my rides I did on it, miss the CAAD9.

Garz

Save up for a Cannondale super six will.

freehub

Garz wrote:

Save up for a Cannondale super six will.

I sort of want a CAAD 10.

briantrumpet

freehub wrote:

Garz wrote:

Save up for a Cannondale super six will.

I sort of want a CAAD 10.

I haven't ridden one of those, but the Super Six is really lovely, and that's saying something as I also have a CAAD9. Both are great rides, the Super Six just a bit more forgiving.

pompy

Managed just over an av of 20mph last summer Aylesbury to Maidenhead on my fixed Pompino, I knew there was a pub at the end of it though!

dodgy

pompy wrote:

Managed just over an av of 20mph last summer Aylesbury to Maidenhead on my fixed Pompino, I knew there was a pub at the end of it though!

Doesn't count unless you finished at the same place you started. 8)

badly_dubbed

i have just came in from a 33 mile run with one other guy, mixed bag freezing wet and a few ups and we averaged 17.2mph

and that was quite hard these 23mph+ guys must be androids lol

sturmey

My fastest average speed this year in an open 10m TT was 27.3mph.

Yet I have never averaged more than 19.9mph over a 30+ mile training run. Am usually in the range 18 to 19 mph average.

My training/racing stats are the mirror opposite of at least one poster on here.

How weird?

freehub

sturmey wrote:

My fastest average speed this year in an open 10m TT was 27.3mph.

Yet I have never averaged more than 19.9mph over a 30+ mile training run. Am usually in the range 18 to 19 mph average.

My training/racing stats are the mirror opposite of at least one poster on here.

How weird?

People are different.

jibberjim

freehub wrote:

People are different.

They certainly are (I'm 28.3mph for a 10 and have done 2 training rides over 30 miles over 20mph in the last 2 years - including lots of group rides)

But it is extremely surprising for someone to have such a flat power profile that they can do pretty much the same power for 25 minutes as 3 hours - I've certainly never heard of anyone who has such a flat power profile, I'm surprised it's physiologically possible. Given that profile you will be very, very good at 100 mile and 12 hour TT's, you should really consider it.

thel33ter

jibberjim wrote:

freehub wrote:

People are different.

They certainly are (I'm 28.3mph for a 10 and have done 2 training rides over 30 miles over 20mph in the last 2 years - including lots of group rides)

But it is extremely surprising for someone to have such a flat power profile that they can do pretty much the same power for 25 minutes as 3 hours - I've certainly never heard of anyone who has such a flat power profile, I'm surprised it's physiologically possible. Given that profile you will be very, very good at 100 mile and 12 hour TT's, you should really consider it.

I'm like that, not incredibly quick at 17ish MPH average, but I can keep that pace up for ages, and I don't really train either. I just get bored after 50 miles or so :roll:

freehub

jibberjim wrote:

freehub wrote:

People are different.

They certainly are (I'm 28.3mph for a 10 and have done 2 training rides over 30 miles over 20mph in the last 2 years - including lots of group rides)

But it is extremely surprising for someone to have such a flat power profile that they can do pretty much the same power for 25 minutes as 3 hours - I've certainly never heard of anyone who has such a flat power profile, I'm surprised it's physiologically possible. Given that profile you will be very, very good at 100 mile and 12 hour TT's, you should really consider it.

Hopefully eventually I'll be working on lowering my 25 and 10 times. I'm not really pushing atm, like did a proper hilly rides, ok I pushed up the drags, but on the flats took it steady, was a group ride, we only averaged 13.5mph overall.

a_n_t

I've done 26.3mph for a 25 mile TT and got dropped on yesterdays chaingang which averaged 21!

Thats where doing nothing for 2 months gets you!

Airwave

But some TT courses are drag strips.So if your on a full aero bike&skinsuit in good conditions.Your going to be faster than when your out training on just a road bike..Saying someone who can"only"do a 25min 10mile TT should be able to go faster is not right if they're on a bog standard road bike.It makes sense that Will's TT performance is closer to his normal riding than someone with both a TT bike&a road bike.Where there's going to be more of a speed difference between racing&training speeds than someone with just one bike for training&racing.

jibberjim

Airwave wrote:

But some TT courses are drag strips.So if your on a full aero bike&skinsuit in good conditions.Your going to be faster than when your out training on just a road bike..Saying someone who can"only"do a 25min 10mile TT should be able to go faster is not right if they're on a bog standard road bike.

Okay, I've done 23 minute 10- so 26mph in the very same kit and set up as I train in (and it's not a drag strip, it's a pretty sporting course where sub 20's are extremely rare Dr Hutch and Wouter Sybrandy are the only two I know of) it's my club 10 course and I often do it in pure road set up - and I still almost never average 20mph in a 2 hour ride, and never in a 3 hour ride.

Which is why I say Will should get riding longer TT's they must very much suit him. And with TT equipment it would be even more impressive.

Airwave

jibberjim wrote:

Airwave wrote:

But some TT courses are drag strips.So if your on a full aero bike&skinsuit in good conditions.Your going to be faster than when your out training on just a road bike..Saying someone who can"only"do a 25min 10mile TT should be able to go faster is not right if they're on a bog standard road bike.

Okay, I've done 23 minute 10- so 26mph in the very same kit and set up as I train in (and it's not a drag strip, it's a pretty sporting course where sub 20's are extremely rare Dr Hutch and Wouter Sybrandy are the only two I know of) it's my club 10 course and I often do it in pure road set up - and I still almost never average 20mph in a 2 hour ride, and never in a 3 hour ride.

Which is why I say Will should get riding longer TT's they must very much suit him. And with TT equipment it would be even more impressive.

I know your fast&i was'nt demeaning what you can do,i wish i could do the same or even close.
I'm in the same position as Will as i do 2-3hrs rides at 20-22mph on my own during the summer,usualy once a week.But when it comes to TTs i struggle to maintain a speed above 24mph.I can go along for hours at 80-88%MHR.Maybe i don't train hard enough for the shorter distances or i might just be banging up against my limits for top speed?

Bozman

Reading this post has made me feel a hell of a lot better. I'm generally a solo rider and I've been busting a gut trying to beat 20mph average for a 30/40 mile ride, i'm roughly doing 18.5-19 and the best was 19.7(these aren't Norfolk runs), maybe if i ate the right food and gave up the ale i'd beat that 20av, but for now this 42yr old is happy with a few pints of Bass and a 19mph av.

inseine

i do 2-3hrs rides at 20-22mph on my own during the summer

here we go again.............

Garz

Hmmm.

If you (airwave) and will can do these speeds over long distances then that's because your built for that. Similar to running, when I was younger my forte was sprinting however there were guys that could pull off mega fast lap after lap on the track but top end full out sprint they were useless.

Horses for courses I would say.

thel33ter

Garz wrote:

were guys that could pull off mega fast lap after lap on the track but top end full out sprint they were useless.

Horses for courses I would say.

Thats me

inseine

I"m just saying that you can ride at 20-22 or whatever but to really average it, door to door, with a warm up etc, well it's mighty good going. I can do a 50 in under two hours and I've ridden plenty of chain gangs with good riders (pros) and you only have to cough and you're below that average. Not saying people here aren't doing 23 as has been suggested but it would be a shame not to see you up there in a real race to make use of your talent.

Airwave

inseine wrote:

i do 2-3hrs rides at 20-22mph on my own during the summer

here we go again.............

Reread it.The point i'm making is my&Wills not very good TT times&why that might be.Don't worry i know i'm only an ave. club rider.By 42yrs you know your place in the sheme of things.

inseine

I reread it and that's still a mega good average! Way better than mine, but then you've got 5 years on me

Airwave

inseine wrote:

I reread it and that's still a mega good average! Way better than mine, but then you've got 5 years on me

In another 5yrs i will be old&doddery

SBezza

Airwave wrote:

inseine wrote:

i do 2-3hrs rides at 20-22mph on my own during the summer

here we go again.............

Reread it.The point i'm making is my&Wills not very good TT times&why that might be.Don't worry i know i'm only an ave. club rider.By 42yrs you know your place in the sheme of things.

Psychological, or the fact you don't train your body to hit 95%+ of HR Max for a 25 min period, or even a 1 hour effort. 42 is not that old, plenty of the top TTer's are nearing 40, or even older.

I am 41 myself, and certainly do not see this as a limiter at all. To be honest if you can do that sort of speed regularly on a training ride, then I would say it is more psychological, for a TT you just have to accept it will hurt, and push as hard as your body will let you, and not how much your head wants to push the body.