Strictly Come Dancing 2010

mrushton

She isn't required to be anything more than well-dressed/attractive. That's how Brucie always likes the ladies on his show. If she had a degree in Quantum Physics and was the winner of RAAM, no-one would care but a dodgy outfit/haircut/extra kg and that will generate a lot of publicity

finchy

simonaspinall wrote:

Simon's law - A television show can only have 2 series from commissioning upon pain of death (3 if it is saved by the public in a vote) - So so so many good TV shows had so few series, or were best thought of in their early years.

Ditto for albums and bands - You're a band with 5 years and 5 albums and after that you must disband. No reforming with one different member or stupid ego supergroups. Just 5 albums and if you can't make your mark and fortune then you shouldn't have got the myspace page you insisted on forcing down people's throats.

Just consider the creative overdrive and energising force of death or glory! No more gold-plated pensions for actors being put out to pasture in some teriible dribble of a show that should have been burned down years ago. Think of the innovation, the brilliant turnover of new programming and music. Think of the comeuppance of the commissioning editor who dares to break the law!

Objection! The rule works in general, but some should be saved:

For television, I'd like to save Red Dwarf, which was at its best in series 3-6, Wildlife on One, which continued being superb for many years, Peep Show and Frasier up until the point Niles and Daphne got back together.

For bands I tend to agree, although there are exceptions like Pulp and Blur. Solo artists are a different kettle of fish entirely, maybe because they can change backing musicians.

sloboy

Yeah I reckon that observation's not far off - with some honourable exceptions. I'd cite Scrubs and REM (my favourite album, I think was their 10th). In TV series I think the key enable of longevity is the writer(s) discovering something surprising in the minor characters - so Janitor and Kelso in Scrubs and Niles in Frazier - or where ensemble acting is critical.

But then, the slow maturing series can produce the highest heights of all.

simonaspinall

johnfinch wrote:

simonaspinall wrote:

Simon's law - A television show can only have 2 series from commissioning upon pain of death (3 if it is saved by the public in a vote) - So so so many good TV shows had so few series, or were best thought of in their early years.

Ditto for albums and bands - You're a band with 5 years and 5 albums and after that you must disband. No reforming with one different member or stupid ego supergroups. Just 5 albums and if you can't make your mark and fortune then you shouldn't have got the myspace page you insisted on forcing down people's throats.

Just consider the creative overdrive and energising force of death or glory! No more gold-plated pensions for actors being put out to pasture in some teriible dribble of a show that should have been burned down years ago. Think of the innovation, the brilliant turnover of new programming and music. Think of the comeuppance of the commissioning editor who dares to break the law!

Objection! The rule works in general, but some should be saved:

For television, I'd like to save Red Dwarf, which was at its best in series 3-6, Wildlife on One, which continued being superb for many years, Peep Show and Frasier up until the point Niles and Daphne got back together.

For bands I tend to agree, although there are exceptions like Pulp and Blur. Solo artists are a different kettle of fish entirely, maybe because they can change backing musicians.

Whhaaaaat!? Series 3-6 just got a bit slapstick - The first 2 really got to the core of the whole storyline - That there were 2, 3 then 4 people trapped in deep space!

Pulp I grant you, but Blur went down the road of the 'musical project' band which invariably involves singing choirs, 64 piece orchaestras or collaborations with random 'world music' outfits usually found as the token band on Jools Holland.

Can't remember if AC/DC released Back in Black + or - the five album limit, ditto with The Black album with Metallica. But the general spirit of the law is worth it to deny long, vacuous careers for awful dross such as My Family, Strictly, Britain's got sh*t for talent, S*it factor, Eastenders and so on.

Look at Fawlty Towers, The Young Ones, The Inbetweeners, The A-Team, This Life etc etc...2 series is where they were best and should've stayed.

And also on Dave - Never said I agreed or liked it, I was pointing out its success was due to blokes desperate to watch something not aimed at women or was sport based - Unfortunately as pointed out this means a lot of repeats of Top Gear.

Ben6899

Tess Daly is dead behind the eyes.

singlespeedexplosif

She isn't required to be anything more than well-dressed/attractive
well, quite. Which begs the question, how does she still have the job?

outofbreath2

Ben6899 wrote:

Tess Daly is dead behind the eyes.

Gavin's dead from the neck up.

rick_chasey

Ben6899 wrote:

Tess Daly is dead behind the eyes.

Buzzcocks called - they want their joke back.

finchy

simonaspinall wrote:

Whhaaaaat!? Series 3-6 just got a bit slapstick - The first 2 really got to the core of the whole storyline - That there were 2, 3 then 4 people trapped in deep space!

Pulp I grant you, but Blur went down the road of the 'musical project' band which invariably involves singing choirs, 64 piece orchaestras or collaborations with random 'world music' outfits usually found as the token band on Jools Holland.

Can't remember if AC/DC released Back in Black + or - the five album limit, ditto with The Black album with Metallica. But the general spirit of the law is worth it to deny long, vacuous careers for awful dross such as My Family, Strictly, Britain's got sh*t for talent, S*it factor, Eastenders and so on.

Look at Fawlty Towers, The Young Ones, The Inbetweeners, The A-Team, This Life etc etc...2 series is where they were best and should've stayed.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Red Dwarf. I personally thought that Kryten completed the show.

For Blur, I was thinking more of the "blur" album with Song 2 and MOR, but I've just checked it and seen that was the 5th album, so that does meet your criteria, but 13 (their 6th album) was OK.

I agree that MOST TV series should stop after 2, I was just saying that some deserve to be spared. Not on a public vote, though, get somebody of undoubted good TV taste like Charlie Brooker decide. Or me.

rick_chasey

johnfinch wrote:

I agree that MOST TV series should stop after 2, I was just saying that some deserve to be spared. Not on a public vote, though, get somebody of undoubted good TV taste like Charlie Brooker decide. Or me.

Given the standard of Brooker's show on channel 4, I'm not so sure.

Screenwipe & newswipe yes. You Have Been Watching, no.

simonaspinall

johnfinch wrote:

simonaspinall wrote:

Whhaaaaat!? Series 3-6 just got a bit slapstick - The first 2 really got to the core of the whole storyline - That there were 2, 3 then 4 people trapped in deep space!

Pulp I grant you, but Blur went down the road of the 'musical project' band which invariably involves singing choirs, 64 piece orchaestras or collaborations with random 'world music' outfits usually found as the token band on Jools Holland.

Can't remember if AC/DC released Back in Black + or - the five album limit, ditto with The Black album with Metallica. But the general spirit of the law is worth it to deny long, vacuous careers for awful dross such as My Family, Strictly, Britain's got sh*t for talent, S*it factor, Eastenders and so on.

Look at Fawlty Towers, The Young Ones, The Inbetweeners, The A-Team, This Life etc etc...2 series is where they were best and should've stayed.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Red Dwarf. I personally thought that Kryten completed the show.

For Blur, I was thinking more of the "blur" album with Song 2 and MOR, but I've just checked it and seen that was the 5th album, so that does meet your criteria, but 13 (their 6th album) was OK.

I agree that MOST TV series should stop after 2, I was just saying that some deserve to be spared. Not on a public vote, though, get somebody of undoubted good TV taste like Charlie Brooker decide. Or me.

Good call on Charlie Brooker - Also I thought Kryten was included in series 2.

And Rick Chasey has just brought my law into disripute with the buzzcocks which instantly improved when Simon Amstell joined after 17 series, I think...though this would've again been better if it was only for two series with Amstell at the helm.

rick_chasey

HBO should have given The Wire the proper 13-15 episodes for season 5.

Season 4 was excellent, as was season 3, and 2, and 1....

This has nothing to do with sequins and cha cha chas mind.

simonaspinall

Rick Chasey wrote:

HBO should have given The Wire the proper 13-15 episodes for season 5.

Season 4 was excellent, as was season 3, and 2, and 1....

This has nothing to do with sequins and cha cha chas mind.

Casualties will be had, but if it stops another series of Casualty, Holby City.....

finchy

simonaspinall wrote:

Good call on Charlie Brooker - Also I thought Kryten was included in series 2.

And Rick Chasey has just brought my law into disripute with the buzzcocks which instantly improved when Simon Amstell joined after 17 series, I think...though this would've again been better if it was only for two series with Amstell at the helm.

Kryten was only in one episode of series 2. He became a regular character in series 3.

finchy

Rick Chasey wrote:

johnfinch wrote:

I agree that MOST TV series should stop after 2, I was just saying that some deserve to be spared. Not on a public vote, though, get somebody of undoubted good TV taste like Charlie Brooker decide. Or me.

Given the standard of Brooker's show on channel 4, I'm not so sure.

Screenwipe & newswipe yes. You Have Been Watching, no.

I've never seen Charlie Brooker's TV shows, only read his Guardian column. I chose him because he is good at lauding or loathing other people's work, not for his own TV talent (or lack of).

AndyRubio

To the haters: if you don't like it, don't watch it. There's so much telly these days that no-one has to watch anything. I remember when there were just 3 channels and no video players blah blah etc etc.

It's the pursuit of souplesse exactly right.

Tess does what she does, looks good and reads the links. I like Claudia on the weekday show more because her personality comes out, she's less polished. Sadly she's becoming as ubiquitous as the also great David Mitchell.

Yes Ruth Kara has her attractions for sure, but she bores me to sleep when she's interviewed.

No-one's mentioned the mighty Dave Arch yet. What a hero he is.

I reckon Felicity will be out this week. There's no story with her, and I'm starting to think that he great British public like a story.

Ben6899

Rick Chasey wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Tess Daly is dead behind the eyes.

Buzzcocks called - they want their joke back.

They'll have to prove I copied 'em!

Seriously did the Buzzcocks sing about Tess Daly?

rick_chasey

johnfinch wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

johnfinch wrote:

I agree that MOST TV series should stop after 2, I was just saying that some deserve to be spared. Not on a public vote, though, get somebody of undoubted good TV taste like Charlie Brooker decide. Or me.

Given the standard of Brooker's show on channel 4, I'm not so sure.

Screenwipe & newswipe yes. You Have Been Watching, no.

I've never seen Charlie Brooker's TV shows, only read his Guardian column. I chose him because he is good at lauding or loathing other people's work, not for his own TV talent (or lack of).

Newswipe is really quite fantastic. They're all on youtube.

Screenwipe is also very good.

simonaspinall

AndyRubio wrote:

To the haters: if you don't like it, don't watch it. There's so much telly these days that no-one has to watch anything. I remember when there were just 3 channels and no video players blah blah etc etc.

It's the pursuit of souplesse exactly right.

Tess does what she does, looks good and reads the links. I like Claudia on the weekday show more because her personality comes out, she's less polished. Sadly she's becoming as ubiquitous as the also great David Mitchell.

Yes Ruth Kara has her attractions for sure, but she bores me to sleep when she's interviewed.

No-one's mentioned the mighty Dave Arch yet. What a hero he is.

I reckon Felicity will be out this week. There's no story with her, and I'm starting to think that he great British public like a story.

Hmmm I think the Haters in general are frustrated that with the BBCs limited programme making budget a lot goes into sh*te, not just strictly...and prevents other programmes from being made. Also, the near total ignorance of male programming. Men WANT to watch TV from the leading public service broadcaster - It's much better as a rule of thumb, but sadly the BBC is dying on its feet with the continually churned out rubbish.

What's the point in men paying the license fee as pretty much all of it is aimed at women!

Oh, one exception to my law earlier - Where there is genuine public interest in the broadcast (The News, Question Time, public info films if they still exist, children in need etc which are of course long running, then they can continue)

Everything else though - 2 series.

finchy

simonaspinall wrote:

What's the point in men paying the license fee as pretty much all of it is aimed at women!

Are you, by any chance, Patrick Moore?

LittleB0b

Strange, of our 2 'older ladies' i'm defiantly backing Pamela (possibly even FTW) - she seems much more fun and sassy.

LittleB0b

simonaspinall wrote:

You wouldn't say the BBC was punching a hole through the bottom of the barrel into a rat infested cellar of tired, lazy programming?

No, and stop putting a downer on my curl up on the sofa on a sunday eveing viewing (No TV so it's iplayer)

sloboy

2 older ladies ?

3 n'est-ce pas ? Flic, Widdy and Pammy are nearly the same age.

outofbreath2

Mais oui. Vous etes quite correct.

Apparentement, Pammy has gone down a couple of dress sizes since the start. Good on her.

outofbreath2

[quote="LittleB0bcurl up on the sofa on a sunday eveing viewing (No TV so it's iplayer)[/quote]

Mine too (but with TV). I've even bought myself a Slanket so I don't have to get my arms cold holding my glass of wine.

Ben6899

I despair.

verylonglegs

AndyRubio wrote:

To the haters: if you don't like it, don't watch it. There's so much telly these days that no-one has to watch anything. I remember when there were just 3 channels and no video players blah blah etc etc.

I couldn't agree more but I object to it and a host of other programs due to the tax I have to pay to fund them, all for the priviledge of owning a tv. The concept of the 'licence fee' is seriously outdated.

simonaspinall

LittleB0b wrote:

simonaspinall wrote:

You wouldn't say the BBC was punching a hole through the bottom of the barrel into a rat infested cellar of tired, lazy programming?

No, and stop putting a downer on my curl up on the sofa on a sunday eveing viewing (No TV so it's iplayer)

Sorry Bridget

AndyRubio

verylonglegs wrote:

AndyRubio wrote:

To the haters: if you don't like it, don't watch it. There's so much telly these days that no-one has to watch anything. I remember when there were just 3 channels and no video players blah blah etc etc.

I couldn't agree more but I object to it and a host of other programs due to the tax I have to pay to fund them, all for the priviledge of owning a tv. The concept of the 'licence fee' is seriously outdated.

I'm sure you're very happy that the current government will be doing all they can to destroy the BBC.

AndyRubio

simonaspinall wrote:

What's the point in men paying the license fee as pretty much all of it is aimed at women!