do people waste money???
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Surely you mean Dock Leaves? Duck leaves make a terrible mess.0
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You mean you were joking, sheeps?
GASP! :shock:0 -
yeehaamcgee wrote:You mean you were joking, sheeps?
GASP! :shock:
haha, who'd have thunk it!!0 -
Certainly not me, obviously. I believe 100% in my new regime.0
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me too.
im off to buy a shokwave in the morning.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:me too.
im off to buy a shokwave in the morning.
No need to buy one, just mug a chav.I don't do smileys.
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RichardSwt wrote:CraigXXL wrote:No he doesn't he has penis envy.
He dose have a point.
His point was "need".
No they don't need.
But they do want, which is fair enough, but they don't need it.
On the subject of need or want, how does the average newcomer get to know this?
I've seen posts before assuming that 'overbiked' newbies have probably read 'what mountain bike' and believed the hype, that is just an assumption, never went near a newsagent myself for example when considering buying a 1st bike.
In my case, I did some 'googling' on the subject and was eventually led to 2 threads on this site, the 'what HT and FS' threads in the buying section, which turned out to be helpful to a degree. (minus the bickering
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But let's not just assume people arm themselves with info either, after all, I found it a bit of a headache to be honest, a bit like buying a mobile phone, too many choices.
Now we get on to the LBS scenario, some are very honest, if Mr Moneybags walked into Swinnertons at Cannock trail centre, I'm highly confident he would not get talked into some super bike, I've been talked out of a 1k Ht myself and steered toward a 500 quid HT instead.
Are all bike stores honest like this one? Doubt it.
Mr Moneybags walks into those and some sales person is smelling a big commission, I got to ride a Spesh Epic Expert recently, the carbon version is 3k and I can see why a newbie would be wooed by it in the shop, compared to my Giant HT or Spech FSR comp, this thing wanted to take off like a rocket, I was equally impressed by the brain system in the shock which made me feel I was on a good HT on the climbs.
So, the newbie sits on a bike like this or something worth more, you can see why they would consider it even though they may have never ridden before, although I'm sure they must think in the back of their minds that they had better stick to this 'hobby' as it;s a lot of cash to part with when you're talking 3k and up.
As people are talking in this thread about 'how it makes them sick' and what they need vs what they want, seriously, how do you regulate something like that? :? How do you educate the general public that they don't deserve anything over 'said price' until they are gnarly til the power of rad? 0 -
OP so what you're basically saying is you want a top end Orange or Cube or whatever but can't afford it, and are bitter that other people can. To make up for your self esteem issues you tell yourself and anyone who will listen (no-one) that they have all the gear but no idea BUT YOU ARE THE SUPERIOR RIDER0
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but to be fair to the OP, i see it all the time, every time i ride my bike i see some webster who isnt as good as the limits of his bike and it annoys the heck out of me, folk should do their learning on simpler machines so they can deal with a trail properly instead of crashing through it like 90% of riders do these days.
it doesnt suprise me that the people are responding the way they are on here, this place defines all the gear, no idea.
im moving to singletrackworld.0 -
They would never accept you on singletrack world, you don't have a little beard or a singlespeed fixie 29er rigid with all the gay matching parts and you haven't been bummed by brant richards.0
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el loco pollo wrote:They would never accept you on singletrack world, you don't have a little beard or a singlespeed fixie 29er rigid with all the gay matching parts and you haven't been bummed by brant richards.
not yet but soon i will be one of them.0 -
Let Them Be... Rich People Have More Money Than Sense Sometimes. Especially If They Are New To The Sport. I Think It's Fine For Them To Have An Expensive Bike And Kit To Ride. At Least They Are Riding. Besides Makes It Funny When You over Take Them On Your Cheap Slightly Naff Bike And Your Cheap Naff Clothing.0
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Uchiga wrote:Let Them Be... Rich People Have More Money Than Sense Sometimes. Especially If They Are New To The Sport. I Think It's Fine For Them To Have An Expensive Bike And Kit To Ride. At Least They Are Riding. Besides Makes It Funny When You over Take Them On Your Cheap Slightly Naff Bike And Your Cheap Naff Clothing.
yeah man, i love showing people up on their pricey bikes, makes me feel awesome.0 -
I love it how a perfectly innocent question gets blown out of all proportion.do people really need to spend that kind of money if they dont push the limits??
No, they don't really need to.Do People Waste Money?
Yes, but hey that's up to them.
But then it goes down hill from there with people talking about "penis envy" and all other sorts of nonsense.
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sheepsteeth wrote:Uchiga wrote:Let Them Be... Rich People Have More Money Than Sense Sometimes. Especially If They Are New To The Sport. I Think It's Fine For Them To Have An Expensive Bike And Kit To Ride. At Least They Are Riding. Besides Makes It Funny When You over Take Them On Your Cheap Slightly Naff Bike And Your Cheap Naff Clothing.
yeah man, i love showing people up on their pricey bikes, makes me feel awesome.
I love doing the same, there can be nothing better in this world than going uphill slightly faster than someone else who you don't know, who doesn't know you, when they don't know you're racing them, and probably don't realise that you are clearly the superior rider because you have overtaken them going uphill.
It's the same with cars. I love overtaking douchebags who are clearly overcarred in my knackered old fiesta. I overtook some all the gear no idea IDIOT in a BMW yesterday, I just breezed past him at 72mph on the motorway, the look on his face was probably priceless. I had a much less expensive car but I overtook him in his expensive ridiculous thing that he wasn't using to its full potential. It is clear that I am the superior driver and that all anyone needs is a knackered old fiesta because it is clearly and irrefutably faster than a BMW driven by some yuppie IDIOT.0 -
yeah man, competing to be the best is what separates us from the animals.0
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sheepsteeth wrote:folk should do their learning on simpler machines so they can deal with a trail properly instead of crashing through it like 90% of riders do these days.
But HT bikes are for poor? A true learning is on FS machine, especially if it is bling and shiny.What could have been (Video)
I'll choose not put too much stake into someone's opinion who is admittingly terrible though0 -
popstar wrote:sheepsteeth wrote:folk should do their learning on simpler machines so they can deal with a trail properly instead of crashing through it like 90% of riders do these days.
But HT bikes are for poor? A true learning is on FS machine, especially if it is bling and shiny.
ht bikes are cheaper but thats a good thing, riding a pricey bike before you ven know if you like riding is foolish. the skills you learn on a ht will stay with you forever and are essential for riding a fs bike. even peaty rides a ht y'know.0 -
I would say HT bike is a donkey to take me through the mud of winter. Skillz and extra fittness will follow after that as well as appreciation of dusty dry'n'fast trails in the summer season. Even then HT bikes are for poor . What could have been (Video)
I'll choose not put too much stake into someone's opinion who is admittingly terrible though0 -
I have to say I agree with the general 'mind your own business' consensus. One other thing to bear in mind is that someone might look overbiked on a particular trail but they might well use that same bike on much tougher stuff. From talking to people round Surrey I get the impression that a lot of riders spend a lot of time heading off to Wales/Scotland, etc.
Also, returning to the OP's point about being stuck behind slower riders on superbikes, surely this is a trail etiquette issue, if someone behin is clearly faster, let them past.0 -
HT Bikes are better than full sus's up a hill though... I know im worse than a few riders and i still beat them uphills simply because i use the HT to its full potential in comparison to a FS simply getting the power through the back wheel whilst you travel uphill makes a HT better than a full sus. For cross country as well you dont need a full sus. Full sus's are for downhill all mountain and marathons where comfort over a long distance or comfort over big rocky stuff is necessary.0
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Uchiga wrote:HT Bikes are better than full sus's up a hill though... I know im worse than a few riders and i still beat them uphills simply because i use the HT to its full potential in comparison to a FS simply getting the power through the back wheel whilst you travel uphill makes a HT better than a full sus. For cross country as well you dont need a full sus. Full sus's are for downhill all mountain and marathons where comfort over a long distance or comfort over big rocky stuff is necessary.
couldnt agree more, fs are heavy and sap your pedalling efficiency all the time except for downhill. the direct drive of a ht makes climbs loads more efficient and faster.0 -
I have owned both a full suss and now a HT. The HT climbs quicker on the road,fireroad and less lumpy climbs.
The full suss definitely climbed better on technical,rough,rotted and rooty climbs.,far less spinning out. I I will be buying another full suss.Ffor the riding I do in the Lake district it would make sense to use a HT for certain rides and the full suss for others.
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I definitely find that my HT i faster up climbs, but the FS keeps traction better so you can just sit back and spin. It's definitely slower but somehow easier, physically and mentally.0
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thats the thing with full sus bikes, they make everything so EAsy, there i no skill required, you just sit down and thump along.0
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I can't comment. I've never ridden a full susser. Ever, not even borrowed a friends. Not even the infamous Shockwave.
If it looks a bit bumpy I just let a little air out the back tyre.0 -
Sheepsteeth, that is a fair point, It's kind of the main criticism of FS but also the main appeal. To honest, for where I ride (Surrey) a HT is plenty of bike (by far the fastest rider I've seen round here uses a single speed) but I also love my FS and can't wait to take it onto some more nadgery trails.
So in answer to the original question, I know I waste money,0 -
RichardSwt wrote:If it looks a bit bumpy I just let a little air out the back tyre.
This ^
In the Summer when the trails are hard packed I use the fatest trye I can fit to help with this.
And to answer one of the OP's questions - Do people waste money ?
Yes in my opinion, if they go out and ride it then that fine with me, although 6" of travel front and back for a canal path is a waste, it's the new bikes you see for sale on here and ebay that kill me, "only been ridden twice" now that is a waste and they deserve a hit on the sell price
All expensive new bikes should be fitted with a tracker, if not ridded then it would send an alert the nearest chave who would then steal it, this is surely a lesser crime than not riding.0 -
UncleMonty wrote:RichardSwt wrote:If it looks a bit bumpy I just let a little air out the back tyre.
This ^
In the Summer when the trails are hard packed I use the fatest trye I can fit to help with this.
This year I used a Maxxis Crosmark, ran tubeless on a Stan's rim. Worked a treat on hardpacked trails. The Crossmark is surprisingly high volume for it's size and tubeless you can use quite low pressures if you need to.0
