Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

iainf72

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZr0_ic1304

Being a decent human being and being a doper are not mutually exclusive you know.

rick_chasey

iainf72 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZr0_ic1304

Being a decent human being and being a doper are not mutually exclusive you know.

That depends who you're doping and what with right?

frenchfighter

iainf72 wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZr0_ic1304

Being a decent human being and being a doper are not mutually exclusive you know.

Showing your age there

frenchfighter

Pokerface wrote:

So like.... how come Michael Rasmussen is having such a hard time getting back into pro cycling? I know he's about to come back (again) with his own 'team' - but why has he struggled so get a ride so far?

Is it anything to do with public opinion of him perhaps?

No.

1. he is no longer a good investment - old, not willing to work for others, wont be able to hang with the big boys
2. attitude. he is an unpleasant person by all accounts, not liked by riders or managers. he has said some pretty awful things
3. not the type of visage or body shape a sponsor would want promoting their product

In short, incomparable to Contador. Ridiculous comparison.

frenchfighter

Ricky young chap, hold it down. Just look at my avatar and quit with the comments.

iainf72

frenchfighter wrote:

2. attitude. he is an unpleasant person by all accounts, not liked by riders or managers. he has said some pretty awful things

Now, I'm no body language expert......

Pokerface

frenchfighter wrote:

In short, incomparable to Contador. Ridiculous comparison.

yeah - I wasn't comparing him to Contador. I was replying to Dennis post that public perception of a rider doesn't matter.

frenchfighter

Got it PF.

Homer J

There's a few pics on here with the known drug cheats shaking hands, maybe it's a close knit circle thing. (Us cheats got to stick together)

dennisn

iainf72 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

2. attitude. he is an unpleasant person by all accounts, not liked by riders or managers. he has said some pretty awful things

Now, I'm no body language expert......

He's got ya there FF. I've got a couple of friends who used steroids, way back when I was a sort of bodybuilder wanna-be, and know a guy who spent time in Federal Prison
for running a gambling operation. They have paid the price for "cheating"(if you will). The bodybuilder has all sorts of problems due to steroids abuse, but all of them are still my friends and we still smile and shake hands when we see each other. They are my friends and they are who they are. If you're my friend before you "cheated", then more than likely you'll still be my friend when it's all said and done. I don't see it being any different simply because someone's a PRO athlete.

ratsbeyfus

frenchfighter wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

Lol

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6644/ ... uilty.aspx

No 'lol' about it. What he says is perfectly accurate. Someone can be handed a prison sentance and be innocent of that crime; likewise for Contador.

The inverse is of course also true. Contador might escape a ban, but that won't mean that he hasn't used PEDs...

Heads I win... tails you fail!

RichN95.

iainf72 wrote:

Now, I'm no body language expert......

It's just a picture., probably posed for the camera.

How would you interpret the body language between these two? They look like good mates don't they?





In reality, to quote Andy Cole: ""I'd rather sit and have a cuppa with Neil Ruddock, who broke my leg in two places in 1996, than with Teddy - who I've pretty much detested for the past 15 years. We played together for years, scored lots of goals and I never spoke a single word to him."

Pokerface

I guess no matter what the verdict, FF will spin it to his side. Either Bertie was unjustly convicted, or he slides, he was 'innocent' all along. I don't know why anyone here bothers arguing - you simply cannot convince him.

dulldave

Pokerface wrote:

I guess no matter what the verdict, FF will spin it to his side. Either Bertie was unjustly convicted, or he slides, he was 'innocent' all along. I don't know why anyone here bothers arguing - you simply cannot convince him.

Agreed. I seem to remember something rather similar with Valverde but I could be wrong.

Homer J

When you are in love with someone, sometimes it's hard to see the wood for the trees

sampras38

dennisn wrote:

iainf72 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

2. attitude. he is an unpleasant person by all accounts, not liked by riders or managers. he has said some pretty awful things

Now, I'm no body language expert......

He's got ya there FF. I've got a couple of friends who used steroids, way back when I was a sort of bodybuilder wanna-be, and know a guy who spent time in Federal Prison
for running a gambling operation. They have paid the price for "cheating"(if you will). The bodybuilder has all sorts of problems due to steroids abuse, but all of them are still my friends and we still smile and shake hands when we see each other. They are my friends and they are who they are. If you're my friend before you "cheated", then more than likely you'll still be my friend when it's all said and done. I don't see it being any different simply because someone's a PRO athlete.

Not quite the same thing though to be honest. I also have a past in the bodybuilding world and trained with many "heavy" users, but drugs are far more accepted in the bodybuilding world, especially at the pro level. Cycling is different.

dulldave

sampras38 wrote:

but drugs are far more accepted in the bodybuilding world, especially at the pro level. Cycling is different.

That made me smile. How exactly is cycling different? Drugs have been an accepted part of pro cycling for decades. Breaking this culture apart seems to be the main problem.

sampras38

dulldave wrote:

sampras38 wrote:

but drugs are far more accepted in the bodybuilding world, especially at the pro level. Cycling is different.

That made me smile. How exactly is cycling different? Drugs have been an accepted part of pro cycling for decades. Breaking this culture apart seems to be the main problem.

lol...yeah I can see how it'd make you smile. Contradiction in terms..right. What I meant was, pro cycling is trying to eradicate drugs from the sport (at least publically they say they are), but in the BB world it's more accepted, unless the competition is a natural only one. ANB Federation for example.

Not all but a lot of BB fans go to the shows to see the freaks and they mostly accept how they got there..;-)

andy_wrx

There was some program on in the week where they showed bodybuilders and held them up as some sort of example of positive mental attitude, how if you really wanted something and really focussed on it you could attain it.

Hmm I was thinking. These people are focussed alright, and they do know what they want, but the lengths they go to achieve it, the effect on their health...
And as for them having positive mental attitudes, aren't most of them insecure narcissists with body-dismorphic problems ?

sampras38

andy_wrx wrote:

There was some program on in the week where they showed bodybuilders and held them up as some sort of example of positive mental attitude, how if you really wanted something and really focussed on it you could attain it.

Hmm I was thinking. These people are focussed alright, and they do know what they want, but the lengths they go to achieve it, the effect on their health...
And as for them having positive mental attitudes, aren't most of them insecure narcissists with body-dismorphic problems ?

Slight generalisation me thinks.

dennisn

andy_wrx wrote:

Hmm I was thinking. These people are focussed alright, and they do know what they want, but the lengths they go to achieve it, the effect on their health...
And as for them having positive mental attitudes, aren't most of them insecure narcissists with body-dismorphic problems ?

I agree that people will go to great lengths to attain what they think they want. As for their health, I have my doubts that they consider the effects of drugs on their health.
Most of the athletes who use drugs are young and therefore immortal, and have the attitude of "it won't happen to me, that's what happens to others, I know what I'm doing".
As for getting caught, I think they all know that it's a possiblity, but once again they believe the rewards are way to great and the punishment is "no big deal" or "won't happen to me, I'm smart".
As for bodybuilders being "insecure narcissists.....", well, ALL of us have something wrong with us.

Pokerface

Former world champion and classics winner Moreno Argentin has blasted the UCI, modern day riders and especially Alberto Contador for their lack of character, describing them as spineless and soft.

"Contador is a carefully calculated racing machine, made in a laboratory for one race: the Tour. It doesn’t seem to matter if he’s got personality or not. He and Schleck are the same. You know how they’re going to race; you know where to wait for them to do something. They haven’t got any originality.”



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/argenti ... nd-the-uci

pb21

Pokerface wrote:

Former world champion and classics winner Moreno Argentin has blasted the UCI, modern day riders and especially Alberto Contador for their lack of character, describing them as spineless and soft.

"Contador is a carefully calculated racing machine, made in a laboratory for one race: the Tour. It doesn’t seem to matter if he’s got personality or not. He and Schleck are the same. You know how they’re going to race; you know where to wait for them to do something. They haven’t got any originality.”



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/argenti ... nd-the-uci

i reckon if Moreno Argentin and Frenchfighter met each other the universe would explode!

andyp

Retired pro in "today's riders are soft" shock!

Who'd have thought it?

ratsbeyfus

Cow muncher to be made sacrificial goat? Poor little lamb.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6766/Spanish-Olympic-Committee-president-wants-maximum-ban-if-Contador-found-guilty.aspx

cajun_cyclist

Per the Body Building Talk above.

Don Dorans! One time "Mr. Britain" in 1943 in Body Building was an Avid Cyclist. A body builder told me that who really knows the field and of course, weight lifting too.

http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition ... Dorans.htm

Not sure if he was a vegetarian but the guy I know who knows a lot about this is a vegan.

Body building can be divided before and after the steroids era and too, that is virtually before and after the pivotal figure of Arnold Schwarzenegger. This is a general time line. There is also a lot of overlap with not only weightllifting but the early strong men. Back in the day, Strongmen were in Carnivals and would do things like pick up horses and other great feats. We all know, we see cartoons of old time strongmen with big walrus mustaches and bald, maybe wearing a leopard skin outfit and picking up barbells with big weights that are like balls, it's a stereotype.

There is a history of all this by Randy Roach, http://www.musclesmokeandmirrors.com/ and it is interesting from a nutritional viewpoint. Talks of all the kinds of diets, raw food diets, supplements, etc. etc. Volume I is more or less the pre steroid era, nowadays, you see a muscle magazine on the newsstand and one can figure most if not all of those guys use steroids except there are "natural bodybuilders" out there too, don't look as radical as the 'roid users, maybe they look more like Don Dorans.

Pokerface

No decision before mid-January expected now. Plus it'll end up going to CAS no matter what the verdict, so it;s going to drag on and on and on...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... nuary.html

ratsbeyfus

Contodour denies links to dodgy cycling coach, and reiterates that he has never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6803/Alberto-Contador-denies-links-to-accused-Madrid-doping-coach.aspx

Pokerface

Dutch mountain biker jumping on the tainted meat bandwagon (although this time it was in Mexico):

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-hou ... lenbuterol

attica

CyclingNews wrote:

The 26-year-old has said he will fight he charges. “I'm going to do everything I can to prove I am innocent,” he said, and has already given a sample for a hair analysis test.

Has Contador provided a similar hair sample? Does that actually do any good?
I'd be rather glad if Contador could prove his innocence beyond any doubt, I somehow doubt he'd ever be able to if he were innocent.