Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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The worrying thing about this is that his food to easily have been contaminated and what better way to remove one of your next years rivals.
Sometimes things just aren't as black and white as they seem. The sport does seem rotten from the top down, if he has had negative results all season then where did the clenbutoral come from or more to the point, why didn't it show up previously?0 -
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:The worrying thing about this is that his food to easily have been contaminated and what better way to remove one of your next years rivals.
Sometimes things just aren't as black and white as they seem. The sport does seem rotten from the top down, if he has had negative results all season then where did the clenbutoral come from or more to the point, why didn't it show up previously?
Because the positive sample was tested in a lab able to detect the Clen at much lower concentrations."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Rodrego Hernandez wrote:The worrying thing about this is that his food to easily have been contaminated and what better way to remove one of your next years rivals.
Sometimes things just aren't as black and white as they seem. The sport does seem rotten from the top down, if he has had negative results all season then where did the clenbutoral come from or more to the point, why didn't it show up previously?
Because he tranfused Clen-tainted stored blood on the rest day. Simple as that.0 -
gethmetal wrote:Rodrego Hernandez wrote:The worrying thing about this is that his food to easily have been contaminated and what better way to remove one of your next years rivals.
Sometimes things just aren't as black and white as they seem. The sport does seem rotten from the top down, if he has had negative results all season then where did the clenbutoral come from or more to the point, why didn't it show up previously?
Because he tranfused Clen-tainted stored blood on the rest day. Simple as that.
If he had been tested regularly all year then that would have shown up previously. Does anyone know if any of the previous tests were tested by the same place that the tour samples were? Just seems funny that only 1 sample all year showed it. The plasticizers could be from a legitimate source so could be a red-herring.0 -
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:If he had been tested regularly all year then that would have shown up previously. Does anyone know if any of the previous tests were tested by the same place that the tour samples were? Just seems funny that only 1 sample all year showed it. The plasticizers could be from a legitimate source so could be a red-herring.
Hang on, are you saying that he got the plasticizers in his system from eating a herring? WTF is his chef up to?0 -
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:gethmetal wrote:Rodrego Hernandez wrote:The worrying thing about this is that his food to easily have been contaminated and what better way to remove one of your next years rivals.
Sometimes things just aren't as black and white as they seem. The sport does seem rotten from the top down, if he has had negative results all season then where did the clenbutoral come from or more to the point, why didn't it show up previously?
Because he tranfused Clen-tainted stored blood on the rest day. Simple as that.
If he had been tested regularly all year then that would have shown up previously. Does anyone know if any of the previous tests were tested by the same place that the tour samples were? Just seems funny that only 1 sample all year showed it. The plasticizers could be from a legitimate source so could be a red-herring.
Tested to a much lower level of accuracy regularly, yes. His doping Doctor would only have been able to detect much higher concentrations of Clen', and kept blood with Clen' present unwittingly.
What possible legitimate source is there for the placticisers?0 -
ratsbeyfus wrote:Rodrego Hernandez wrote:If he had been tested regularly all year then that would have shown up previously. Does anyone know if any of the previous tests were tested by the same place that the tour samples were? Just seems funny that only 1 sample all year showed it. The plasticizers could be from a legitimate source so could be a red-herring.
Hang on, are you saying that he got the plasticizers in his system from eating a herring? WTF is his chef up to?
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ratsbeyfus wrote:
Hang on, are you saying that he got the plasticizers in his system from eating a herring? WTF is his chef up to?
Possible if it was boil-in-the-bag (Source - Bloke down the pub)0 -
dougzz wrote:ratsbeyfus wrote:
Hang on, are you saying that he got the plasticizers in his system from eating a herring? WTF is his chef up to?
Possible if it was boil-in-the-bag (Source - Bloke down the pub)
Each to their own. I prefer the traditional white sauce with parsley bits myself.0 -
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:gethmetal wrote:Rodrego Hernandez wrote:The worrying thing about this is that his food to easily have been contaminated and what better way to remove one of your next years rivals.
Sometimes things just aren't as black and white as they seem. The sport does seem rotten from the top down, if he has had negative results all season then where did the clenbutoral come from or more to the point, why didn't it show up previously?
Because he tranfused Clen-tainted stored blood on the rest day. Simple as that.
If he had been tested regularly all year then that would have shown up previously. Does anyone know if any of the previous tests were tested by the same place that the tour samples were? Just seems funny that only 1 sample all year showed it. The plasticizers could be from a legitimate source so could be a red-herring.
A couple of things - first, the clen has a very short half-life and only stays in the system for around 24 hours. So, even if he 'gets tested all year round', unless he is tested RIGHT after he took a dose, it wouldn't show up.
Next - he wouldn't be using clen all year round. By all accounts, he took it after the Dauphine to shed a few kilos. It would have been a few doses over a few days, so again, wouldn't show up the rest of the year.
Lastly, as many people keep saying, the tests are normally done in a regular lab with less sensitive equipment - so he could have had MORE in his system those other times and still flown under the radar.0 -
Fair enough, I thought it stayed in the system longer than 24h.
Just out of interest, it used to be available OTC in Spain to treat asthma until fairly recently.0 -
Pokerface - very succinctly put, Sir.0
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I don't understand it.Pokerface wrote:
Lastly, as many people keep saying, the tests are normally done in a regular lab with less sensitive equipment - so he could have had MORE in his system those other times and still flown under the radar.
The Radar standard is set to catch dopers I thought.
This test with more sensitive equipment showed a miniscule positive that is far below the recognised radar limit.
Are you saying that all testing so far, has been a waste of time and all riders are flying under the present radar limit. ??
Question : Will this mean that all future tests will be to this New lower radar standard with sensitive equipment. ??Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
deejay wrote:
I don't understand it.Pokerface wrote:
Lastly, as many people keep saying, the tests are normally done in a regular lab with less sensitive equipment - so he could have had MORE in his system those other times and still flown under the radar.
The Radar standard is set to catch dopers I thought.
This test with more sensitive equipment showed a miniscule positive that is far below the recognised radar limit.
Are you saying that all testing so far, has been a waste of time and all riders are flying under the present radar limit. ??
Question : Will this mean that all future tests will be to this New lower radar standard with sensitive equipment. ??
It's pretty simple. The 'limit' they are allowed to have is ZERO. It doesn't matter what piece of equipment detects it - If it's there - you're busted.
As testing methods and equipment improve, they will be able to detect smaller amounts - but this doesn't change the rules.0 -
FF stand by your man... he could be free by Christmas!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-decision-could-come-any-day-attorney-says
I think this article is suggesting that Contador could only have been doped by kissing a cow.0 -
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ratsbeyfus wrote:FF stand by your man... he could be free by Christmas!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-decision-could-come-any-day-attorney-says
I think this article is suggesting that Contador could only have been doped by kissing a cow.
Rofl.. Cows on Coke? Reminds me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FavUpD_IjVY
Thinks are looking up for him based on this..Perhaps more relevant to Contador's case is that of German table tennis player Dimitrij Ovtcharov, who also tested positive for Clenbuterol this fall. He was cleared of the charges after the German federation found that the test resulted from contaminated meat he ate while at a tournament in China.
e2a: I hope he is cleared so I don't have to change my avatar! cba with that sh!t
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ratsbeyfus wrote:FF stand by your man... he could be free by Christmas!
They say that to all the turkeys."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:In case you haven't already realised I laugh at the feeble attempts of the majority to destabilise me.
Oh come on FF lets be positive after all your hero is'Do not compare your bike to others, for always there will be greater and lesser bikes'0 -
The reason we keep getting these bullsh!t excuses from people who are caught red handed is because there are people who keep believing them.
Like everyone who believed in Floyd Landis.
Stop it.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:The reason we keep getting these bullsh!t excuses from people who are caught red handed is because there are people who keep believing them.
Like everyone who believed in Floyd Landis.
Stop it.
I'm not so sure that AC or FL or anyone caught cheating really cares if "we" (you, me, race fans in general) believe him or not. He's simply trying to convince the people, who will make the decision on his career, that it's possible that he didn't cheat. You and I aren't involved in his thinking. Also, isn't it human nature to deny you did anything wrong?
Look how many innocent people are in prison(or so they claim).
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dennisn wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:The reason we keep getting these bullsh!t excuses from people who are caught red handed is because there are people who keep believing them.
Like everyone who believed in Floyd Landis.
Stop it.
I'm not so sure that AC or FL or anyone caught cheating really cares if "we" (you, me, race fans in general) believe him or not. :
Yes they do.
Fans ultimately pay their wage. If they're unpopular, who will sponsor them fo the same cash they were given before?
Floyd's bullsh!t stories managed to persuade people to part cash to pay for the legal fight of the lie in court.
Also - many people like to be liked. If you are liked for something, in this case, winning bike races, only for them to find out that you cheated - you are likely to be liked less.0 -
dennisn wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:The reason we keep getting these bullsh!t excuses from people who are caught red handed is because there are people who keep believing them.
Like everyone who believed in Floyd Landis.
Stop it.
I'm not so sure that AC or FL or anyone caught cheating really cares if "we" (you, me, race fans in general) believe him or not.
Dennis not sure about something. Well that's my world turned upside down.Le Blaireau (1)0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:dennisn wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:The reason we keep getting these bullsh!t excuses from people who are caught red handed is because there are people who keep believing them.
Like everyone who believed in Floyd Landis.
Stop it.
I'm not so sure that AC or FL or anyone caught cheating really cares if "we" (you, me, race fans in general) believe him or not. :
Yes they do.
Fans ultimately pay their wage. If they're unpopular, who will sponsor them fo the same cash they were given before?
Still, I would think that their main concern would be the people capable of banning them and possibly ending their careers. You and I can't do that. Convincing me that you didn't dope is not really going to help your cause.0 -
dennisn wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:
Yes they do.dennisn wrote:
I'm not so sure that AC or FL or anyone caught cheating really cares if "we" (you, me, race fans in general) believe him or not. :Rick Chasey wrote:The reason we keep getting these bullsh!t excuses from people who are caught red handed is because there are people who keep believing them.
Like everyone who believed in Floyd Landis.
Stop it.
Fans ultimately pay their wage. If they're unpopular, who will sponsor them fo the same cash they were given before?
Still, I would think that their main concern would be the people capable of banning them and possibly ending their careers. You and I can't do that. Convincing me that you didn't dope is not really going to help your cause.
Crossed wires here. Of course AC's first concern will be convincing the anti-doping authorities, but he still needs to be popular with the fans to get those nice big sponsorship deals afterwards.0 -
There is such a thing as the "court of public opinion" though it is a rather abstract and nebulous idea. Presumably riders feel that if they are popular enough or have put their "I'm innocent, me" story across well enough, then at some point where a decision has to be made about going after them, the relevant individual will be slightly influenced (even subliminally) and will come down on the rider's side. Kind of like the crowd at a football match with the referee. Think of it as a "marginal gain", but if your career is on the line you will do everything you can to save it.
See the massive PR battles undertaken by Hamilton and Landis, for example (though also a lot of this was about raising money for the legal battle, as already pointed out).
If only there was some sort of present-day US figure we could look to for a further example of this behaviour...Le Blaireau (1)0 -
DaveyL wrote:There is such a thing as the "court of public opinion" though it is a rather abstract and nebulous idea. Presumably riders feel that if they are popular enough or have put their "I'm innocent, me" story across well enough, then at some point where a decision has to be made about going after them, the relevant individual will be slightly influenced (even subliminally) and will come down on the rider's side. Kind of like the crowd at a football match with the referee. Think of it as a "marginal gain", but if your career is on the line you will do everything you can to save it.
See the massive PR battles undertaken by Hamilton and Landis, for example (though also a lot of this was about raising money for the legal battle, as already pointed out).
If only there was some sort of present-day US figure we could look to for a further example of this behaviour...
Hmmmmmm.... I'm racking my mind for a name but can't seem to come up with one.
If only....0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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iainf72 wrote:
No 'lol' about it. What he says is perfectly accurate. Someone can be handed a prison sentance and be innocent of that crime; likewise for Contador.
And it is true, as a person he has a lot to be admired and is a good example of a decent human being and role model.Contador is the Greatest0 -
So like.... how come Michael Rasmussen is having such a hard time getting back into pro cycling? I know he's about to come back (again) with his own 'team' - but why has he struggled so get a ride so far?
Is it anything to do with public opinion of him perhaps?0
