Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol

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  • andylav
    andylav Posts: 308
    I'll see FF's Pablo de la Calle and AS.com pieces and raise you, "the Basque Directorate General of Health doubts Contador’s claims that meat caused positive test for Clenbuterol"

    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6464/ ... terol.aspx

    Also amusing that former team mate Jose Rubiera is now suggesting a contaminated amino acid or protein supplement taken at the end of a stage to aid recovery could be the source of the positive test.

    Wonder what odds you might get on a contaminated batch of supplements suddenly being discovered
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    andylav wrote:

    Also amusing that former team mate Jose Rubiera is now suggesting a contaminated amino acid or protein supplement taken at the end of a stage to aid recovery could be the source of the positive test.

    Wonder what odds you might get on a contaminated batch of supplements suddenly being discovered

    Strangely enough you most likely can place bets on something like that somewhere.
  • surista
    surista Posts: 141
    Keep up fighting the good fight FF (your screen name is rather appropriate). Although I'm not sure if it restores or further erodes my faith in humanity that someone can remain blindly hopeful in the face of overwhelming evidence....

    "It doesn't get any easier, you just get faster"
    http://blue-eyed-samurai.com/cycling/
  • surista
    surista Posts: 141
    A bad precedent for Dirty Bertie: A German swimmer's ban was doubled from the original one year to two years, when the courts ruled that she could not prove she took testosterone unintentionally. From ESPN:
    FRANKFURT, Germany -- German swimmer Sonja Schoeber has had her ban for testing positive for testosterone doubled to two years by sport's highest court.

    The Court of Arbitration for Sport imposed the ban Thursday in upholding an appeal from Germany's national anti-doping agency after the country's national swimming federation had suspended Schoeber for only a year.

    Schoeber says her two positive tests, in August and October 2009, came from tainted food supplements. But NADA argued that the former German 100-meter breaststroke champion could not prove her unintentional negligence.

    In other words: you can't just provide a plausible excuse, you have to *prove* it was unintentional negligence. After utterly and completely striking out with his steak gone bad excuse, now Dirty Bertie's team is stretching from 'maybe it wasn't Spanish beef after all' to 'maybe it was stuff he drank after the race'.

    Yeah. Good luck with that...

    "It doesn't get any easier, you just get faster"
    http://blue-eyed-samurai.com/cycling/
  • surista wrote:
    Keep up fighting the good fight FF (your screen name is rather appropriate). Although I'm not sure if it restores or further erodes my faith in humanity that someone can remain blindly hopeful in the face of overwhelming evidence....
    I admire his resilience - if not his reasoning. He is indeed a king when it comes to googling for Spanish (and therefore partisan) articles in support of the little Astana carnivore.
    He has however the same chance of willing this argument as the English footbal team had of winning in South Africa.
    WRT Bertie, this is one instance where the Spanish will not come up smelling of roses (unlike in SA), and will therefore have to hand back the trophy.

    Keep it up FF, as I've said before - you amuse me.
    Can I upgrade???
  • dennisn wrote:
    andylav wrote:

    Also amusing that former team mate Jose Rubiera is now suggesting a contaminated amino acid or protein supplement taken at the end of a stage to aid recovery could be the source of the positive test.

    Wonder what odds you might get on a contaminated batch of supplements suddenly being discovered

    Strangely enough you most likely can place bets on something like that somewhere.
    Yeah I think the South African rugby team were hoping for that one.
  • sampras38
    sampras38 Posts: 1,917
    I really hope he didn't cheat but my gut feeling tells me he had a transfusion sometime after the Dauphine and what was found was the remains of it. I don't know enough about the additional plastisizer blood bag story but it does seem to stink of a transfusion and I certainly don't buy the beef contamination defence.

    I think even if he doesn't get a 2 year ban, this will drag on and pretty much put paid to him entering the 2011 Tour. And even if he comes back after that his reputation will be so shot I doubt whether he'll be able to handle it. Either way he can wave bye bye to any form of Tour legacy imo.
  • pedro118118
    pedro118118 Posts: 1,102
    Anything other than a 2-year ban will have massive implications across the sport. He is guilty. He's tested positive for a banned substance, which is not permitted in any quantity. Whether he knowingly or unkowingly ingested it is completely irrelevant, given any athlete's obligation/responsibility under the WADA code. Ignorance is no defence. It may be tough luck, but that's life and them's the rules. If this was Carlos Climba, some off-the-radar Columbian, he would've been sanctioned by now and such a decision would've been supported by all concerned. It's ridiculous.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Anything other than a 2-year ban will have massive implications across the sport. He is guilty. He's tested positive for a banned substance, which is not permitted in any quantity. Whether he knowingly or unkowingly ingested it is completely irrelevant, given any athlete's obligation/responsibility under the WADA code. Ignorance is no defence. It may be tough luck, but that's life and them's the rules. If this was Carlos Climba, some off-the-radar Columbian, he would've been sanctioned by now and such a decision would've been supported by all concerned. It's ridiculous.


    This is where you are wrong. It is important to note that while the athlete is ultimately responsible for what goes in their body, there is leeway when it comes to sentencing depending on how they got the illegal substance in their body.

    This wouldn't be the first time an athlete got a reduced sentence for a 'mistake'. Not that I think he made a 'mistake' in this case.
  • What I don't understand is how the cow ate a plastic bag too.
  • pb21
    pb21 Posts: 2,171
    What I don't understand is how the cow ate a plastic bag too.

    You are in luck, it doesn't need to be understood as it didn't 'officially' happen.
    Mañana
  • dougzz
    dougzz Posts: 1,833
    Pokerface wrote:

    This wouldn't be the first time an athlete got a reduced sentence for a 'mistake'. Not that I think he made a 'mistake' in this case.


    Sure he did, he didn't get his blood screened by a lab as capable as the one in Cologne :)
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    So Bertie is off to training camp with his new Saxo mates. But... I mean..... would you? Would you really? Talk about the 'elephant in the room'!
  • Pokerface wrote:
    So Bertie is off to training camp with his new Saxo mates. But... I mean..... would you? Would you really? Talk about the 'elephant in the room'!

    Hopefully someone with a sense of humour will present him with one of these, to break the ice so to speak.

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  • 2 years ban and a years salary forfeit - hooray !

    Sastre for the Grand Tour treble !
  • Whole thing should be handled by a totally independant tribuneral - none of this home country inquisition nonsense.

    Show him the comfy chair !
  • Watch out boys, when he comes back he will rip up the opposition with style.

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    Contador is the Greatest
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Watch out boys, when he comes back he will rip up the opposition with style.

    'Course he will. He's on the jungle juice.
  • dulldave
    dulldave Posts: 949
    Watch out boys, when he comes back he will rip up the opposition with style.

    AP
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    Nothing stylish about cheating to win, no matter how many stupid pistols signs you do as you cross the line.

    Personally I hope he lives up to his promise and f***s off if he gets banned.
    Scottish and British...and a bit French
  • Homer J
    Homer J Posts: 920
    Watch out boys, when he comes back he will rip up the opposition with style.

    AP
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    Even his team mates dont' want to ride with him.
  • nick hanson
    nick hanson Posts: 1,655
    Pokerface wrote:
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    This is where you are wrong. It is important to note that while the athlete is ultimately responsible for what goes in their body, there is leeway when it comes to sentencing depending on how they got the illegal substance in their body.

    This wouldn't be the first time an athlete got a reduced sentence for a 'mistake'. Not that I think he made a 'mistake' in this case.

    There may well be leeway in the sentancing,BUT,the sentance is automatically doled out,then a REDUCTION MIGHT be given.
    so many cols,so little time!
  • andylav
    andylav Posts: 308
    There isn't one aspect of that photo that could be considered stylish
  • Haha, keep trying, your comments do no harm whatsoever to me. I find them all quite funny.

    As for style, I forget that most on this forum are of the black socks + black shoes + black helmet + various other abominations = style.
    Contador is the Greatest
  • shinyhelmut
    shinyhelmut Posts: 1,364
    Haha, keep trying, your comments do no harm whatsoever to me. I find them all quite funny.

    As for style, I forget that most on this forum are of the black socks + black shoes + black helmet + various other abominations = style.

    Style is winning clean. It doesn't matter what they're wearing.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    More statements from Contador's defence lawyers:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb-dYVEBtfM&feature=related
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • Tusher
    Tusher Posts: 2,762
    I'm not even going to ask how you chanced upon that clip.

    (most concerned that I truly enjoyed it though. Is this what my life has come to?)
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Not only is he a drug cheat, but now we have photographic evidence that he's a pavement riding lycra lout!
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • ratsbeyfus
    ratsbeyfus Posts: 2,841


    I had one of them red bikes but I don't any more. Sad face.

    @ratsbey