Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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I thought it had been proposed much earlier in the life of this never ending thread, that the most reasonable explanation was a rest day transfusion of blood taken slightly too soon after the last "hit" of clen, and thought at the time to be safe (given the known detectable limits at the time). This would also be a reasonable explanation of the presence of plasticiser ...
...or did I just dream it.. who said that, internet forum people ?0 -
Moray Gub wrote:Pokerface wrote:Moray Gub wrote:
When was there anything for him "to get out of or get away with" with respect to his 1999 samples ? As i understand it he never tested positive within the codes applicable at the time with those samples so never faced any procedures.......unless i missed his case being brought before USAC.
Like I said - you can spin it any way you want.
Are you REALLY trying to tell me that regardless of when the test was done, that no EPO was ever found in his samples?
Its not case of spinning it anyway i want that is way it was, clearly thats not to your liking but hey ho and all that.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt apparently.0 -
Moray Gub wrote:Pokerface wrote:Moray Gub wrote:
When was there anything for him "to get out of or get away with" with respect to his 1999 samples ? As i understand it he never tested positive within the codes applicable at the time with those samples so never faced any procedures.......unless i missed his case being brought before USAC.
Like I said - you can spin it any way you want.
Are you REALLY trying to tell me that regardless of when the test was done, that no EPO was ever found in his samples?
Its not case of spinning it anyway i want that is way it was, clearly thats not to your liking but hey ho and all that.
Well, without spin, in 1999 the samples were not positive, and there was no test for EPO being done at that time. When the remaining samples were tested for EPO at a later date, albeit not in a procedure done with intention of any form of prosecution for it, a bunch of his showed EPO.0 -
Does anyone know if AC is riding in the TDF?0
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I know the Clinic picks up on some stories, kind of a zoo too over there. A bit too irreverent.
Anyway, I did not find this there, another news search people might try is just on 'Clenbuterol.'
This finding to me and I try to be neutral turns this case on it's head. This may have been mentioned here or may have been missed when the forum went down for a few days. I wonder if the Velo news outlets reported on this?
"Clenbuterol Found in 22 European Athletes While in China; "
"THE German anti-doping agency NADA (National Anti-Doping Agentur) based in Bonn, issued a press release and the Koln Sporthoch Schule (Koln Sport University for Germany) issued a travel advisory warning for athletes planning and preparing to travel to China.
Twenty-two cyclists recently returned to Germany (from China) and all tested positive for Clenbuterol, found on the WADA anti-doping banned substance list. "
http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/la ... ealth-Risk
"The World Anti-Doping Agency has asked China for information on the use of steroids in raising cattle after some athletes blamed their positive doping tests on tainted beef."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... 46884411c9
No way am I going to believe 22 German cyclists with intention ingested clenbuterol. It's just in this case, it occurred from a trip apparently to China.0 -
Contador was with Saxo Bank-SunGard at the velodrome in Mallorca on Saturday morning to hone his time trial form. The Spaniard’s Danish teammate, Nicki Sørensen, is impressed all-round with the level Contador has shown in his first month with the team.
“I’ve never seen anyone ride as strongly in training as he does. Never. And I’ve been riding for a long time and together with a lot of good cyclists,” he says.
According to Sørensen, no other member of the team can compare with the Spaniard.
“He’s scary strong. In a class above all of us,” said the Dane, meaning that no one shoud fear for Contador’s form, even though the reigning Tour de France winner had to take an involuntary break from cycling because of his clenbuterol case.
“I have no fears about his form. Certainly not. I’ve never seen anything like it. I think it’ll be fun to ride for him in the big races.”
The guy is a champion racer. Shame for you guys that you have to continue hating him.Contador is the Greatest0 -
frenchfighter wrote:The guy is a champion racer. Shame for you guys that you have to continue hating him.
What about those of us who like him, but still believe that the most plausible explanation is that he doped?0 -
Garry H wrote:frenchfighter wrote:The guy is a champion racer. Shame for you guys that you have to continue hating him.
What about those of us who like him, but still believe that the most plausible explanation is that he doped?
Exactly.Mens agitat molem0 -
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Contador was with Saxo Bank-SunGard at the velodrome in Mallorca on Saturday morning to hone his time trial form. The Spaniard’s Danish teammate, Nicki Sørensen, is impressed all-round with the level Contador has shown in his first month with the team.
“I’ve never seen anyone ride as strongly in training as he does. Never. And I’ve been riding for a long time and together with a lot of good cyclists,” he says.
According to Sørensen, no other member of the team can compare with the Spaniard.
“He’s scary strong. In a class above all of us,” said the Dane, meaning that no one shoud fear for Contador’s form, even though the reigning Tour de France winner had to take an involuntary break from cycling because of his clenbuterol case.
“I have no fears about his form. Certainly not. I’ve never seen anything like it. I think it’ll be fun to ride for him in the big races.”
He is strong because he doped.0 -
You obviously don't understand binary logic, which is what the internet, being computer based, runs on.Garry H wrote:frenchfighter wrote:The guy is a champion racer. Shame for you guys that you have to continue hating him.
What about those of us who like him, but still believe that the most plausible explanation is that he doped?
You have to be either a delirious fanboy or a foaming-at-the-mouth hater, nothing else is permissible.
At least in some people's utterly closed minds that's how it is.0 -
When will the UCI/WADA or whoever has the power re-instate the ban? :?0
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andi1363 wrote:When will the UCI/WADA or whoever has the power re-instate the ban? :?
The UCI and WADA have a month to appeal to CAS against the decision.
If either of them choose to appeal, it's most likely they'll wait until close to the full month before the appeal is lodged.0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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“I would just like that they read the whole dossier without preconceptions and without yielding to external pressures,” Contador told Gazzetta dello Sport.
arf.___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
peterst6906 wrote:andi1363 wrote:When will the UCI/WADA or whoever has the power re-instate the ban? :?
The UCI and WADA have a month to appeal to CAS against the decision of the RFEC.
If either of them choose to appeal, it's most likely they'll wait until close to the full month before the appeal is lodged.0 -
iainf72 wrote:
Anyone else get naffed off with the word 'believe' when it comes to doping??? Belief is taking whatever you want to be true when whatever it is is unprovable isnt it. Better to deal with scientific facts when it comes to doping.0 -
There is a lot of Money that has flowed under the bridge to help you believe that.Gazzaputt wrote:
Read the facts Lance Armstrong has NEVER failed a dope test.
I might even agree if I see Alessandro Ballan, (a similar level of rider to a former two balls Texan) win a couple of Tour de France.
Actually I belittle the Italian because he is a better rider that "has" won a Monument
Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Shame you guys are on the hating side. Feel for you, lol.MARCA - Fran Contador escaped on Friday, the day of the queen stage at the Volta ao Algarve. At the top of the Alto de Malhão, he couldn’t take the bouquet of flowers, like he did last year, but he went back to Madrid convinced that his brother Alberto is on the right track and, above all, that he’s on the best possible team.
“I have no words to describe how well they’re behaving, both the team and the sponsors. At every moment, even the darkest, they’ve sent us support and reassurance. It’s the best option that we could’ve chosen,” he said before starting the trip home.
The same can’t be said for Astana, whom he didn’t want to talk about even though it owes them a pile of money: “They have their particular version of the facts and they’re acting accordingly,” he responds curtly, not wanting to say more, although the truth is that they’ve gone since September without collecting one euro of payment from the Kazakhs.
Like Alberto, the oldest of the Contador children has gone through hell in the last few months: “I wouldn’t wish something like this on anybody, not even my worst enemy.” Sleepless nights, tension, sadness, the feeling of injustice and powerlessness…
“The worst moment was when they told us that the positive was going to be leaked, because until then they had told us that everything was in order and that everything would be done with discretion. Only the two of us knew it, that’s why the first thing we did was go and tell our parents, who were already in bed because it was 11:30 at night. They couldn’t believe it. Seeing your loved ones suffer has been the worst, even though now, like everybody, they feel a little relieved because they see that, to some extent, justice has been done, even though, as my brother says, this is going to leave a huge scar forever.”
In all this time, however, one thing they haven’t lost has been the support of the fans: “It might seem a bit silly, but it helps a lot because we’ve always felt a lot of support, especially from the people of Pinto. Thanks to that, even on the worst days, when truly terrible things were being said, you come up with the strength to keep fighting and working.”
Although Alberto hasn’t been sitting on his hands, Fran has been the one who has led and organized the defense from day one: “From the beginning it was clear that in order to defend the matter legally, we had to defend it scientifically, and prove, with the best possible experts, that the only hypothesis possible was that of food contamination. We’ve spent a lot of money on that—some reports have cost a fortune.” He doesn’t give figures, but the rumors going round the peloton say that a particular one could have exceeded 30,000 euros.
“We’ve been able to do it thanks to the fact that Alberto has the means at his disposal,” meaning that, as number 1 in the world, he has been the best-paid cyclist in the peloton.
“Others have not been able to defend themselves,” he admits. “Now, with everything that we have, we can go anywhere in the world to defend the case and to explain why my brother is innocent. We have everything perfectly well-founded, everything based on science, therefore the RFEC Competition Committee’s ruling has been exculpatory. It’s consistent with the law, anyone who reads the resolution will arrive at that conclusion. The truth is on our side.”
However, the game is still not over perhaps, since both the UCI and WADA could appeal to CAS. “We’d like to think that it’s over—why not if everything has a scientific explanation? –but in any case, we’ve taken an important step.”
The exhaustive anti-doping controls that cyclists go through, mainly in the Tour de France, have helped in the clarification of the case. ”Thanks to the fact that Alberto has controls from before and after, it’s been possible to rule out other ways” that clenbuterol could have entered his system. “It’s the difference between him and other athletes, who’ve only done sporadic controls. We’ve been able to prove that the only way has been food contamination.”
Ovtcharov, for example, needed hair analysis for acquittal. “His is a similar case, although since he didn’t have more controls to put on the table, what he did was, through hair analysis, prove that the entrance of clenbuterol into his system did not occur over a prolonged period of time. His case is a precedent.”
After the expedited special masters in medicine, veterinarian medicine, chemistry and sports law that has been done in recent months, Fran Contador thinks that “it’s necessary to set a threshold for certain substances. Not only for clenbuterol, which is our concern, but also for other substances which, according to the experts, can be found in food.
"It’s the only way, ultimately, for the athlete not to be wronged by a situation that’s out of his hands and beyond his control. How great it would be, if, because of our case, no other innocent athlete had to go through pain like this!”
Contador is already competing, but his case, unfortunately, still isn’t closed: “We’ll see it through, if we have to, to the end,” even if necessary to the regular courts and to the *Court at Strasbourg.
“I will throw all my heart and soul into defending the innocence of my brother,” warns Fran.Contador is the Greatest0 -
My heart bleeds for them.0
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So his brother didn't think he did it. Who knew?
I imagine he got in with a bad crowd.
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frenchfighter wrote:Shame you guys are on the hating side. Feel for you, lol.
Did you actually laugh out loud there? If you did, I'd imagined it as an evil cackle...0 -
I just laud the incredible dedication Bertie is showing in pursuing this case so that no other, less well-off, cyclists will be caught in the same trap.
We haven't seen altruism like that since Armstrong coughed up for the Symex machine to help the plucky yet poor UCI combat doping.___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Shame you guys are on the hating side. Feel for you, lol.
I know I shouldn't bite, but enough is enough. Surely after reading all the info and all the posts you don't still think it's about hate? It's about science and facts, and a positive test for a banned substance. You like the guy, I get it. Yes he's been an exciting cyclist to watch, but maybe, just maybe that's because of factors outside natural ability. There has been no presentation of real evidence that the clen was ingested through food contamination. Strict liability. Therefore ban. It doesn't matter how he rides, how many of the peloton like him, or even how many photographs of him you have. He failed a dope test. End of. It's not hate, as was previously pointed out, what about all the people that like him but still think he doped? I notice you ducked that post.0 -
I'm done responding. I've said everything I want to. My logic and basis has been set forth. My articles and facts are there. All in hundreds of posts. No more repeating myself.Contador is the Greatest0
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frenchfighter wrote:I'm done responding. I've said everything I want to. My logic and basis has been set forth. My articles and facts are there. All in hundreds of posts. No more repeating myself.
I hope that's true. Then people who look at evidence and then decide, can have a proper debateOver 50mph on Malaucene descent0 -
dougzz wrote:frenchfighter wrote:Shame you guys are on the hating side. Feel for you, lol.
I know I shouldn't bite, but enough is enough. Surely after reading all the info and all the posts you don't still think it's about hate? It's about science and facts, and a positive test for a banned substance. You like the guy, I get it. Yes he's been an exciting cyclist to watch, but maybe, just maybe that's because of factors outside natural ability. There has been no presentation of real evidence that the clen was ingested through food contamination. Strict liability. Therefore ban. It doesn't matter how he rides, how many of the peloton like him, or even how many photographs of him you have. He failed a dope test. End of. It's not hate, as was previously pointed out, what about all the people that like him but still think he doped? I notice you ducked that post.
I'm actually on FF's side on this one, sort of. You want him banned for doping. Well, what you WANT and / or THINK should happen didn't and you wishing it so is usless. You don't matter and neither do I or FF. AC wasn't cleared because FF wanted him to be.
No one, and I mean no one, asked our opinions. Don't think for a minute that the people who make those decisions care what you, or I or FF think. They did what they thought was right, at least let's hope so, and if they did the wrong thing, intentionally or unintentionally, it still doesn't matter. He's out there riding. Deal with it. Or better yet just forget about the whole thing.0 -
