Contador tests positive for Clenbuterol
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dennisn wrote:
I disagree. You can't stop watching. You like compalining too much and without the Pro Tour what would you have to b*tch about. Anyway, like I said in another post, it's sort of like watching a train wreck, you can't take your eyes off it.
Kind of like your post Den.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:
I disagree. You can't stop watching. You like compalining too much and without the Pro Tour what would you have to b*tch about. Anyway, like I said in another post, it's sort of like watching a train wreck, you can't take your eyes off it.
Kind of like your post Den.
Being the idiot that I am, I'm going to take that as a complement. Thanx0 -
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bompington wrote:
The pompous facade has to crack and logic win the day at some point
Mens agitat molem0 -
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Contador is the Greatest0 -
bazbadger wrote:bompington wrote:
The pompous facade has to crack and logic win the day at some point
What makes you think that logic and FF have ever crossed paths?0 -
My personal problem is that I don't like the stuff they spray Fruit and Veg with.Snorebens wrote:
What they do to Dairy products, Drinking water. etc
I have no control over any of my foodstuffs except what I grow in the garden.
Argentinian Steak restaurants are appearing all over Europe. :roll:
The subject is not Black & White, IMO.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
So the cows have never failed a dope test and therefore cannot have been injected with clen? By that rationale we have to accept the defense of [insert name of well known TdF winner] when they say they haven't ever tested positive and have therefore never doped
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This argument was posted upthread somewhere...Pross wrote:So the cows have never failed a dope test and therefore cannot have been injected with clen? By that rationale we have to accept the defense of [insert name of well known TdF winner] when they say they haven't ever tested positive and have therefore never doped
Yes, it's prima facie the same thing, but when you look deeper, it's very, very different.
It's only the same if the testing of cyclists is post mortem & they know when they are going to die.
The analogy would be if the OOC testing timetable is published years in advance with huge gaps in it. Or when OOC testing didn't occur. "Food animals" are not really tested ante-mortem & not at all whilst being "grown." The regulations are also largely written by the producers.
I'd bet my life savings on there being next to no clen in EU meat products that are routinely bought, which is an utterly different statement from suggesting clen isn't used0 -
As I've harped on, I'm no Agricultural Attorney but I"m not even sure if one can find a test of someone who got clenbuterol in their system from tainted beef.
So, does that sound farfetched? It would have been easier if Alberto had said they had eaten a pork product.
Or speaking of a dead horse, I even came across some info, yes, on feeding clen to horses.Because the drug increases oxygen to the lungs, it has also been used illegally in performance horses because some people believe it may make them run faster and perform better if they can get more oxygen. To determine if clenbuterol was effective in increasing performance, several studies have been performed.
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Conten ... ourceID=69
Seriously, if anyone can point out a Joe Schmoe ate contaminated beef and show levels of clenbuterol, I want to see it. I don't think this has been proven in anyway.0 -
Contador himself speaking from the http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-its-a-great-step-forwards-for-the-sport article:
"...and on the basis of the data that is available on the internet they have exonerated me.”
Basis of data that is available on the internet? I suppose with a lack of any real evidence then all one is left with is to 'Google it' and hope something useful comes up.
Perhaps something got lost in the translation in the article, but it really does sound like straw clutching with mittens on.Mens agitat molem0 -
frenchfighter wrote:AP
Intriguing.
Dunno what it means though.
I'm speculating here FF, but does posting a picture of contador looking worried, mean you are starting to doubt his honesty?--
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andrewjoseph wrote:I'm speculating here FF, but does posting a picture of contador looking worried, mean you are starting to doubt his honesty?
One man's worry is another man's resolve.0 -
this whole affair makes me wonder why they bothered to use this new lab with new detection levels if this was going to be the outcome.
I think the UCI was behind the tests so if that is the case then surely they must be appealing, otherwise they might as well just not bother looking for anything.0 -
bazbadger wrote:"...and on the basis of the data that is available on the internet they have exonerated me.”
They have obviously been reading FF's well reasoned arguments and they have been convinced.0 -
davelakers wrote:bazbadger wrote:"...and on the basis of the data that is available on the internet they have exonerated me.”
They have obviously been reading FF's well reasoned arguments and they have been convinced.
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gattocattivo wrote:davelakers wrote:bazbadger wrote:"...and on the basis of the data that is available on the internet they have exonerated me.”
They have obviously been reading FF's well reasoned arguments and they have been convinced.
Data? Internet?
How ironic that this was the last post on this thread before "The Big BR Forum Outage" TM
I blame Wiggle"Impressive break"
"Thanks...
...I can taste blood"0 -
or that amateur bloke who took EPO...Attica wrote:I blame Wiggle0 -
that was Dan Staite0
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Contador was found guilty of taking 40m picograms.Looked up what a picogram is and got quite a shock,its hardly a PED in the amount thats in his system.The Mechanic wrote:I am finished with cycling as a sport which has now proved that you can get away with anything as long as you are famous (as opposed to infamous). I hope everyone in this years tour will dope up to their eyebrows, it's OK, the authorities don't care.
I will not be watching the tour again or any other protour race.0 -
vision267 wrote:
Contador was found guilty of taking 40m picograms.Looked up what a picogram is and got quite a shock,its hardly a PED in the amount thats in his system.The Mechanic wrote:I am finished with cycling as a sport which has now proved that you can get away with anything as long as you are famous (as opposed to infamous). I hope everyone in this years tour will dope up to their eyebrows, it's OK, the authorities don't care.
I will not be watching the tour again or any other protour race.
Yes but isn't that missing the whole point somewhat?Colnago C60 SRAM eTap, Colnago C40, Milani 107E, BMC Pro Machine, Trek Madone, Viner Gladius,
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Pross wrote:So the cows have never failed a dope test and therefore cannot have been injected with clen? By that rationale we have to accept the defense of [insert name of well known TdF winner] when they say they haven't ever tested positive and have therefore never doped
Sounds more like a statement than a defense to me. He doesn't have to defend himself, particularly against you or I. He never tested positive therefore he never tested positive.
The "therefore never doped" thing is your idea. That's the difference between you and I, he doesn't have to prove anything to me, you on the other hand feel he "owes" you something. Here's the bad news, he doesn't owe you anything. So you can either sit around for the rest of your life b*tching and moaning about doping in cycling and certain riders in particular OR you can make you own way in this world instead of living vicariously through the exploits of others.0 -
dennisn wrote:Pross wrote:So the cows have never failed a dope test and therefore cannot have been injected with clen? By that rationale we have to accept the defense of [insert name of well known TdF winner] when they say they haven't ever tested positive and have therefore never doped
Sounds more like a statement than a defense to me. He doesn't have to defend himself, particularly against you or I. He never tested positive therefore he never tested positive.
The "therefore never doped" thing is your idea. That's the difference between you and I, he doesn't have to prove anything to me, you on the other hand feel he "owes" you something. Here's the bad news, he doesn't owe you anything. So you can either sit around for the rest of your life b*tching and moaning about doping in cycling and certain riders in particular OR you can make you own way in this world instead of living vicariously through the exploits of others.
But he DID test positive. Just because he got out of it doesn't mean he didn't test positive.0 -
Pokerface wrote:
Armstrong didn't fail the test, though. Something people seem to constantly overlook. He was well below the allowable threshold, as were several others.
You can read the reports of the time here: http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/ ... ul22.shtml
Taken from a post from Rich from few days ago, its not a positive if you are below the allowable limit.Gasping - but somehow still alive !0 -
I was talking of testing positive for EPO. It can be spun any way you want - but the EPO was there. That is a positive test. Just because he got away with it doesn't change that particular fact.
Will be interesting to see what happens if/when his 99 Tour samples are turned over and retested (if they get tested, etc).0 -
Pokerface wrote:I was talking of testing positive for EPO. It can be spun any way you want - but the EPO was there. That is a positive test. Just because he got away with it doesn't change that particular fact.
Will be interesting to see what happens if/when his 99 Tour samples are turned over and retested (if they get tested, etc).
Read the facts Lance Armstrong has NEVER failed a dope test.0 -
Gazzaputt wrote:Pokerface wrote:I was talking of testing positive for EPO. It can be spun any way you want - but the EPO was there. That is a positive test. Just because he got away with it doesn't change that particular fact.
Will be interesting to see what happens if/when his 99 Tour samples are turned over and retested (if they get tested, etc).
Read the facts Lance Armstrong has NEVER failed a dope test.
So the EPO they found wasn't his? Like I said - you can spin it any way you want. But it was there. "not a failed test", "didn't test positive", etc, etc, etc - all true.
But what do you call it when the banned substance is found in his samples?0 -
"RobbieHunter Mmmmm RT @PaulSherwen: WADA-accredited lab showed that 22/28 people recently back from China tested positive 4 low levels of clenbuterol"0
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FJS wrote:"RobbieHunter Mmmmm RT @PaulSherwen: WADA-accredited lab showed that 22/28 people recently back from China tested positive 4 low levels of clenbuterol"
My reaction is "and?" Wow, people eating meat in a country that uses clen widely in meat production show traces of it? Amazing.
Maybe Paul can make up another "African proverb" about it. I'll give him double points for making it quaint and involving some kind of animal.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
