NY Times - Cyclists are said to back claims Armstrong doped
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Dave_1 wrote:you guys must be praying on a daily basis for Jeff'n to announce a court case.
I too was on Miami Beach a month ago and I didn't hear the mouth. ?
Lovely and warm though.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Oscar Freire also said same, bench riders, ban them but don let the media know. I don't agree but marketing professionals like JV and HTC staff...they should turn down the volume. Can see where LA is coming from.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstro ... estigation0 -
Yeah, mouthing off in the media is bad for the sport. Cycling in no way needs transparency. If you'd like to read more of LA's mouthing off to the media about, er, mouthing off to the media see below:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/6975/Armstrong-says-hes-not-dwelling-on-federal-investigation.aspx0 -
While we await the WSJ's latest expose, it seems that the "dark place", also known as CyclingNew's clinic, have come up with a scoop of their own.
Lance and his Tailwind connection. When did it start and what was his roll? (also Mr Bruyneel)
Seems a document has turned up, over there:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=11733
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
EPIC #FAILFckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Rick Chasey wrote:iainf72 wrote:EPIC #FAIL
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"I was a rider on the team. I was contracted with Tailwind Sports, I never had any dealings with the Postal Service - zero. I didn't own the company [Tailwind Sports]. I didn't have an equity stake. I didn't have a profit stake. I didn't have a seat on the board. I can't be any clearer than that."
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/lat ... r-not.html
= EPIC# FAIL"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Turns out Armstrong took a salary from Astana, despite saying several times that he wasn't doing so:
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7078/ ... -2009.aspx
I suppose it's possible the salary was paid into a charity account or some other explanation but like the "I was just a rider, never had much to do with Tailwind" claim, it seems he's either very careless when it comes to money and his business affairs or he was misleading people.0 -
Since this was on the US Yahoo site I don't think any of you would have seen it.
Armstrong bemoans cycling’s doping record
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap ... -armstrong0 -
Gee, it must be great to have credibility. :roll:Q: During the training camp and at other times, you're wearing the Livestrong kit but your teammates are in the Astana kit. Could you tell me about that arrangement?
L.A: Those guys are paid to race. I'm not paid to race. I'm racing as a volunteer for Livestrong. Legally, I can't wear Livestrong in the race or I would, but anytime outside of a race I am going to fulfill my commitment to my organization.
Again, it would different if it were Discover Channel (his former team) and you were getting a big, fat salary. You have to train in that kit. But the fact that I'm not taking a salary from Astana means that I can wear what ever I want to wear, I think?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:Gee, it must be great to have credibility. :roll:Q: During the training camp and at other times, you're wearing the Livestrong kit but your teammates are in the Astana kit. Could you tell me about that arrangement?
L.A: Those guys are paid to race. I'm not paid to race. I'm racing as a volunteer for Livestrong. Legally, I can't wear Livestrong in the race or I would, but anytime outside of a race I am going to fulfill my commitment to my organization.
Again, it would different if it were Discover Channel (his former team) and you were getting a big, fat salary. You have to train in that kit. But the fact that I'm not taking a salary from Astana means that I can wear what ever I want to wear, I think?
He's just getting slack in his old age.0 -
Is it actually possible that anyone who's watched cycling unfold in the last 20 years could possibly think that LA didn't dope? it just seems absolutely laughable to me... (and before some idiot mentions some 'LA bias', I mean, come on, common sense!!!!! I don't mind the guy, but I for one hope he gets 'done' just like anyone else who's ever done it, no more, no less).
I cant believe for a single second that anyone in their right mind could presume the guy has 'never taken a thing', it is just an absolute joke (in the context of 'not just him' ...shitloads of them)
Thanks to everyone who keeps these threads up-to-date with the real news though, cos it makes a good stop-off to see what's happening with it all.0 -
mfin wrote:........ I don't mind the guy, but I for one hope he gets 'done' just like anyone else who's ever done it, no more, no less).
And if or when he gets "done" this will make you feel how? When all the others have gotten "done" how did it make you feel? Superior in some way? What???? :? :?0 -
dennisn wrote:mfin wrote:........ I don't mind the guy, but I for one hope he gets 'done' just like anyone else who's ever done it, no more, no less).
And if or when he gets "done" this will make you feel how? When all the others have gotten "done" how did it make you feel? Superior in some way? What???? :? :?
Oh, I dunno, like 'Hey, there's one less cheater riding. Cool.' maybe?___________________
Strava is not Zen.0 -
@mfin
You don't have to search too hard to find people that think Lance didn't dope. Essentially many take the view that if you don't test positive then you didn't dope. There are postings from people that don't accept you doped even when testing positive, because the rider in question has flair, makes stylish attacks and rides with panache.
@Dennis
We must like these circular arguments as we go round and round with no end in sight. What does how anyone feels matter, why do you question such irrelevant points. Surely when you read a paper or see a news broadcast you have some reaction, that's human nature, but it's not really the point here, is it? LA has ridden he publicity train, made a lot of money doing so, and yes I believe that quite a few people will enjoy seeing him taken down if it happens. He's never cared much who he's abused along the way has he? So why wouldn't people take a little pleasure in his downfall, should it take place.0 -
He cuts a very different figure in 2011 than he did in 2008.
Before his comeback I always thought of Armstrong as a very complex character.
Ever since, I see the very opposite.0 -
dennisn wrote:So you're going to sit back with a big "Ahhhhhhh, that felt good" if or when he, or anyone, gets "done"??? Seems, at the very least, a bit creepy to me.
Where Lance is concerned I think it's a big if rather than a when, but should it happen I'll probably just think something along the lines of what goes around comes around. I have to confess when Ricco got done I was pleased, can't really explain why it's just an emotion. In Bertie's case I simply thought wow, what a surprise, which to be honest is my reaction to pretty much anyone, it's not like its easy to have real faith in any athlete these days.
Do you not feel any emotion towards the people involved when you read or hear stories connected to things you like or have an interest in?0 -
dennisn wrote:dougzz wrote:So why wouldn't people take a little pleasure in his downfall, should it take place.
So you're going to sit back with a big "Ahhhhhhh, that felt good" if or when he, or anyone, gets "done"??? Seems, at the very least, a bit creepy to me.
Why on earth would it be creepy to take a small amount of pleasure (I'll hardly be popping champagne corks or organising a party) in seeing those that have damaged the sport we love pay for what they've done?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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$1.5 million in bonus payments for Armstrong from the 2001 Tour alone. That's quite some fraud he may have perpertrated, eh?0
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No tA Doctor wrote:dennisn wrote:dougzz wrote:So why wouldn't people take a little pleasure in his downfall, should it take place.
So you're going to sit back with a big "Ahhhhhhh, that felt good" if or when he, or anyone, gets "done"??? Seems, at the very least, a bit creepy to me.
Why on earth would it be creepy to take a small amount of pleasure (I'll hardly be popping champagne corks or organising a party) in seeing those that have damaged the sport we love pay for what they've done?
Well, there are levels of creepy. Kinda creepy, creepy, and really creepy.
Let's take, as an example, one of the more prolific Lance haters on this forum. No names but here's a hint. The chart. Now IF, and it's a big IF, this person is really serious about all the anti LA stuff he has posted, AND NOT just playing around(i.e. troll), then I find that really creepy. Sort of stalker type stuff. It's creepy, really creepy to be that obsessed about someone. Now, I'm somewhat obsessed with wanting to know why all the hatred and that makes me think of myself as a bit creepy. That's why the "creepy" comment.0 -
iainf72 wrote:andyp wrote:$1.5 million in bonus payments for Armstrong from the 2001 Tour alone. That's quite some fraud he may have perpertrated, eh?
The letter is quite an interesting read
The comments are flying in and they don't make for pretty reading.
Seems the US public are turning their support into anger now that actual money figures have
been revealed."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
iainf72 wrote:
That links not working for me, anyone got an alternative?"I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
Ok, so this is my first foray into a doping thread, so be gentle!
All this seems very much like Al Capone. Just like it was impossible to convict him of all the obvious gangster stuff he got up to, he was instead put away for tax evasion. I just wonder whether it'll ever be proved he doped, but that he'll get punished for some other reason, i.e. all these dodgy contracts.0 -
I think the institutionalised doping at the USPS team will be part of the case. My interpretation is that they are going to try and prove that federal funds, which is how the USPS is funded, were fraudulently obtained by using banned substances or methods, so the $1.5 million in bonuses from the 2001 Tour are very, very pertinent.
I could be wrong of course.0 -
I'm not holding my breath on any kind of outcome any time soon.
I actually don't care that much about the USPS case to be honest. Well, I am interested, but it's all a bit academic what happened nearly ten years ago. To me, the Contador case is far more important, what with the season starting in just a few days."I have a lovely photo of a Camargue horse but will not post it now" (Frenchfighter - July 2013)0 -
dennisn wrote:No tA Doctor wrote:dennisn wrote:dougzz wrote:So why wouldn't people take a little pleasure in his downfall, should it take place.
So you're going to sit back with a big "Ahhhhhhh, that felt good" if or when he, or anyone, gets "done"??? Seems, at the very least, a bit creepy to me.
Why on earth would it be creepy to take a small amount of pleasure (I'll hardly be popping champagne corks or organising a party) in seeing those that have damaged the sport we love pay for what they've done?
Well, there are levels of creepy. Kinda creepy, creepy, and really creepy.
Let's take, as an example, one of the more prolific Lance haters on this forum. No names but here's a hint. The chart. Now IF, and it's a big IF, this person is really serious about all the anti LA stuff he has posted, AND NOT just playing around(i.e. troll), then I find that really creepy. Sort of stalker type stuff. It's creepy, really creepy to be that obsessed about someone. Now, I'm somewhat obsessed with wanting to know why all the hatred and that makes me think of myself as a bit creepy. That's why the "creepy" comment.0