israel

fast as fupp

what a bunch of punts!

mikebx

maybe they should remember what happened to their own people in the 40's, and realise they are now no different

ScaldedCat

Isreal are totally out of order yet again, what will anyone do about it?
Bugger all...

Limburger

If Gazza = The Warsaw Ghetto then Israel = The Nazis.

nolf

Stupid barbarism.
Israel has consistently pissed away any and all feelings of pity that anyone may have had for them.

There never was a resolution over the publication of the review by the UN published last year/early this year, recommending prosecuting leading members of the Israeli cabinet for war crimes during the recent invasion.

Several Israeli cabinet members cannot visit western Europe as they have arrest warrants issued.

I sincerely hope that someday those prosecutions will come to fruition, and they will be held accountable for the deaths they caused.

I hope that the international community pulls its finger out and sends in peacekeepers, and I mean into any and all disputed areas, including the illegal settlements by Israeli citizens, and protects aid convoys, forcing Israel to backdown.

that person wot rides a b

i personally believe that what Israel does is fundamentally right. they own the land and are in charge of the sea that the boat was in. if they were shot at, which in all likeliness they were, then they have every right to board the ship. if they weren't, then they still have the right to intercept the ship, if they so wish.

iainment

that person wot rides a b wrote:

i personally believe that what Israel does is fundamentally right. they own the land and are in charge of the sea that the boat was in. if they were shot at, which in all likeliness they were, then they have every right to board the ship. if they weren't, then they still have the right to intercept the ship, if they so wish.

So international waters are shooting ranges now are they. I think it highly unlikely that the Israelis were shot at, maybe the commandos assaulting the boats didn't take kindly to justified outrage at their actions and panicked. Much more likely a scenario to me.

Whatever it's anothe nail in the coffin of Israel - which to me is extremely worrying as what comes then is even more unpredictable. Given how sophisticated they are it's really sad that the Israeli leadership can't see that this type of piracy will only cause more trouble than it will solve.

ilm_zero7

ScaldedCat wrote:

Isreal are totally out of order yet again, what will anyone do about it?
Bugger all...

totally agree - but only when the USA stop backing Israel will they have to act reasonably - international sanctions against Israel are long over due - they seem to hide behind the holocaust, yet their actions against Gaza and the Palestinians are just as bad

I hope to God our new government dont sit on the fence and shame Israel

EKIMIKE

nolf wrote:

Stupid barbarism.
Israel has consistently pissed away any and all feelings of pity that anyone may have had for them.

There never was a resolution over the publication of the review by the UN published last year/early this year, recommending prosecuting leading members of the Israeli cabinet for war crimes during the recent invasion.

Several Israeli cabinet members cannot visit western Europe as they have arrest warrants issued.

I sincerely hope that someday those prosecutions will come to fruition, and they will be held accountable for the deaths they caused.

I hope that the international community pulls its finger out and sends in peacekeepers, and I mean into any and all disputed areas, including the illegal settlements by Israeli citizens, and protects aid convoys, forcing Israel to backdown.

+1

ilm_zero7

that person wot rides a b wrote:

i personally believe that what Israel does is fundamentally right. they own the land and are in charge of the sea that the boat was in. if they were shot at, which in all likeliness they were, then they have every right to board the ship. if they weren't, then they still have the right to intercept the ship, if they so wish.

check your facts - 1 they dont own the land - the Palestinians have the deeds, they are in possession of stolen property - 2 it was in international waters,,, and 3 - if you really believe Israel was shot at first, there really isnt any point in discussing it further, and finally what right do they have to storm an aid ship for people to whom they are as good as comitting genocide against?.... None!

tebbit

The Israeli's have been on the receiving end of attempted invasions since 1948 and their first inception, from the original suggestion of an Israel/Palestinian commonwealth, which was rejected by the Arabs. The Israelis have now developed siege mentality and cannot get out of a spiral of destruction.

Red Rock

that person wot rides a b wrote:

i personally believe that what Israel does is fundamentally right. they own the land and are in charge of the sea that the boat was in. if they were shot at, which in all likeliness they were, then they have every right to board the ship. if they weren't, then they still have the right to intercept the ship, if they so wish.

I think you're wrong on two counts there. Firstly, Isreal doesn't own the land it illegally occupies, and secondly, it was an act of piracy to attack a ship/boat in international waters.

It's about time western nations pulled their support for Isreal and stopped trading with them.

Seems ironic that Isreal is now a Nazi state that's fast falling to the same level of inhumanity of the Nazi Germany of 70 years ago.

ilm_zero7

Red Rock wrote:

that person wot rides a b wrote:

i personally believe that what Israel does is fundamentally right. they own the land and are in charge of the sea that the boat was in. if they were shot at, which in all likeliness they were, then they have every right to board the ship. if they weren't, then they still have the right to intercept the ship, if they so wish.

I think you're wrong on two counts there. Firstly, Isreal doesn't own the land it illegally occupies, and secondly, it was an act of piracy to attack a ship/boat in international waters.

It's about time western nations pulled their support for Isreal and stopped trading with them.

Seems ironic that Isreal is now a Nazi state that's fast falling to the same level of inhumanity of the Nazi Germany of 70 years ago.

+ 100 totally right - and about time Israel was frozen out

EKIMIKE

Problem with all this is that no-one will criticise Israel for fear of being called an Anti-Semite.

In fact there is a valid point which I would like to make on this subject but i won't because i fear being called an anti-semite.

saymush

Lets get this right, the general feeling is Israel + BAD

yet they have a blockade to stop arms and other materials into a region where those weapons would and are used against them.

2 years ago the UN wrote of the difficulties caused by the blocade.
2 weeks ago the FT wrote of the total availability of consumer products from White goods to FMCG.

yes there are issues with construction materials

Iran and Syria are activley attempting to supply weapons to HAMAS

Why should Israel not board ships aiming to break its blockade? A blockade designed to protect its own people.

British sailors board ships in international waters every day to stop drug smuggling etc Drug Smuggling is a threat to the UK. Why shouldnt the Israelis defend themselves against an enemy with a stated aim of removing them from the face of the planet.

Plus 15 to Israel

Said

ilm_zero7

EKIMIKE wrote:

Problem with all this is that no-one will criticise Israel for fear of being called an Anti-Semite.

In fact there is a valid point which I would like to make on this subject but i won't because i fear being called an anti-semite.

i an not anti-Jewish , I am anti Israeli, just as I would be anti anyone else who behaved in the same fashion - funny how we went to fight in Iraq against Saddam who persecuted a helpless minority of Kurds, yet we are politically muted when Israel does the same thing - its a disgrace!

Mad Roadie

saymush
simple the blockade is inhumane - Israel cant even stay within the land the international community mistakenly gave to then any more than Tiger Woods can pledge fidelity!

Israel is an occupying force outsides its semi-legitimate boarders. They deserve a good kicking - it doesnt really mater if its the Syrians, Hammas or Hezbollah who gives it to them. The sad thing is those who get caught in the crossfire

Israel could choose to live within its land and make Iran look the madman, but it doesnt and plays the anti-semite card - well sorry but that trick has been play out

EKIMIKE

Not saying you're anti-Jewish. Nor am I. But the very nature of Israel being a Jewish state usually leads to critics of Israel being labelled Anti-Semites. It's wrong.

This documentary: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/defa ... /episode-1 is a great insight into how Israel 'plays the anti-semite card'. It's also a great example of Jewish influence on American society and politics. If you can find a way to watch it, it's rather incredible.

wijnhard

I am an English doctor working in Israel.
The most severely injured patients (Turkish/Israeli - whatever) were transferred to us.
I was the first surgeon to see two of the patients.
I saw a lot of injuries and mess this morning.
There is no way the injuries to the Israeli soldiers were caused by peaceful protesters.
Of course the injuries to the non-Israelis were also horrible.
However, I am pretty sure the young soldier who nearly died on the operating table will at least make it through the night.
By the appearance of the injuries, they were hit from the side or from behind with bar like objects.
He must have been pretty scared boarding that ship to ask them to turn around.
He could have saved himself if he just forgot about talking and had opened fire instead.
I need to ride for an hour before I go back, the streets are open at the moment.
I miss the English roads.

finchy

saymush wrote:

Lets get this right, the general feeling is Israel + BAD

yet they have a blockade to stop arms and other materials into a region where those weapons would and are used against them.

2 years ago the UN wrote of the difficulties caused by the blocade.
2 weeks ago the FT wrote of the total availability of consumer products from White goods to FMCG.

yes there are issues with construction materials

Iran and Syria are activley attempting to supply weapons to HAMAS

Why should Israel not board ships aiming to break its blockade? A blockade designed to protect its own people.

British sailors board ships in international waters every day to stop drug smuggling etc Drug Smuggling is a threat to the UK. Why shouldnt the Israelis defend themselves against an enemy with a stated aim of removing them from the face of the planet.

Plus 15 to Israel

Said

Of the people on board the flotilla, who had a stated aim of removing Israel from the face of the planet?

Anonymous

Fair play to Israel every time.

Westerberg

dmclite wrote:

Fair play to Israel every time.

storming an aid ship in international waters and killing 10 people. fair play?!?!?

Mad Roadie

dmclite wrote:

Fair play to Israel every time.

Ah Fairplay - a concept israel hasnt recognised since its inception. What is fair play to do with it? to the woman who witnesses the death of her phospohr bombed baby in Beirut when the Israeli forces trapped and cluster bombed the civilian population there - Robert Fisk described two Lebanese infant victims of the phosphorus shells:Dr. Shamaa’s story was a dreadful one and her voice broke as she told it. “I had to take the babies and put them in buckets of water to put out the flames,” she said. “When I took them out half an hour later, they were still burning. Even in the mortuary, they smouldered for hours.” Next morning, Amal Shamaa took the tiny corpses out of the mortuary for burial. To her horror, they again burst into flames.

http://zionismkills.wordpress.com/2008/ ... ddle-east/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20971.html

wijnhard

[quoteBy the appearance of the injuries, they were hit from the side or from behind with bar like objects[/quote]

He was wearing his helmet....
....before anyone asks.

EKIMIKE

dmclite wrote:

Fair play to Israel every time.

Must be joking, right?

saymush

Come on John, is it not concievable that the flotilla might have had motives other than the provision of aid? Could it not be that deliberate engagement in this way was an objective?

Look at the collection of non essential staff on the boat many of whom could have been described as human right / ant israel / pro hamas protesters, is it not concievable that there presence would create greater publicity and lend a false legitamcy to the venture. Surely they dont accompany every cago to the west bank?

mallinov

Yeah - what's Isreal's problem? They get to enter Eurovision don't they?

Cloudy_Wheat

Lets look back at the peace process and who has every time ruined the peace process by killing civlian people.
We in the UK had a bus and a train attack and we sent our armed forces to the other side of the world to sort the Taliban out.
Israel has to deal with this on a daily basis.
There isnt much of a differnce between the Taliban and Hamas both hate werstern culture and wouldnt think twice about killing civlians in the UK or Israel.

EKIMIKE

saymush wrote:

Come on John, is it not concievable that the flotilla might have had motives other than the provision of aid?

So what? They were in International Waters. It wasn't like they were building illegal settlements in Israel.

snakehips

Westerberg wrote:

storming an aid ship in international waters and killing 10 people. fair play?!?!?

While not wishing to condone the use of excessive force , or indeed some of the things that go on in the state of Israel , I am dubious about the purpose of this convoy.
I have read that the Mavi Marmaris had 500 people on board. Aid ships typicaly carry aid , the crew , and perhaps some people to manage the aid.

Snake

My Library

saymush

EKIMIKE wrote:

saymush wrote:

Come on John, is it not concievable that the flotilla might have had motives other than the provision of aid?

So what? They were in International Waters. It wasn't like they were building illegal settlements in Israel.

would you be happy to let terrorsits ship goods to britain potentially make bombs to klll you or your family or would you expect someone to intercept them? And before you bring up the international waters so what irrespective of the l;aw stop and search happens in international waters every day of the week. (for your safety and security).

unless of course the jews deserve everything they get?