Giro Stage 11 *spoiler*

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  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Some riders coming in 46 minutes after the first riders. No time limit on this stage?
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Vino is blaming Liquigas. They should've chased earlier because Basso is more likely to win that Vino.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123
    Kléber wrote:
    On the one hand these riders sat up, knowing there wasn't a jersey to win or lose. But at the same time the likes of Vino, Evans, Basso, Cungego etc didn't push the pace too much. Nibali and Scarponi tried a move each but not convincingly. Only Tondo rode away.

    One way or another we'll find about about Porte soon.

    That made me shiver :shock:
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Iain, that photo speaks volumes.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    iainf72 wrote:
    Vino is blaming Liquigas. They should've chased earlier because Basso is more likely to win that Vino.


    I think its clear to everyone they all should have chased earlier
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    This is proper old school style....

    You occasionaly read about these odd days where a couple good riders 10 mins down on GC make their way in to some massive break and gain it back on one day. I'm always left thinking "how on earth did that happen?"

    Given that we missed the split on tv, I'm still thinking the same.
    _
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    iainf72 wrote:
    Vino is blaming Liquigas. They should've chased earlier because Basso is more likely to win that Vino.

    Classic cycling error though, everybody looking to the Jersey to get his team on the front, him looking at everybody else thinking he's not going to rinse his team for nothing... Meanwhile 50 guys are up front making hay.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    "No, after you..."
    "No, after you, I insist"
    etc

    In the meantime the break was motoring. As much as some teams did not chase, the break was being driven very hard by Sky, Saxo and Caisse.
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Liquigas were in a weird situation with Agnoli and Kiserlovski being in the break until the finish.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    afx237vi wrote:
    Liquigas were in a weird situation with Agnoli and Kiserlovski being in the break until the finish.

    If i was Nibs or Basso watching the highlights on telly tonight and I saw either of those two doing anything even resembling work in that break i'd be beating them with their now off white Sidis.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Did anyone see a bike change for Bakelandts? Look at his bike, not sure why it is not on the team car and he wouldn't have been able to ride it...
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    afx237vi wrote:
    Liquigas were in a weird situation with Agnoli and Kiserlovski being in the break until the finish.

    If i was Nibs or Basso watching the highlights on telly tonight and I saw either of those two doing anything even resembling work in that break i'd be beating them with their now off white Sidis.

    Actually, I just had to go and check the results to make sure they did go all the way and weren't called back to help Basso / Nibbly. Don't recall seeing them at all during the coverage.

    Liquigas must have mixed feelings about what happened today, though. Yeah, two of their riders got catapulted into a great position on GC... but who knows how they're gonna cope in the next ten days?
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    I don't know why they weren't either at the front of the break soft pedalling through, hogging the front at lower speeds, messing up the relay or dropped back to help the chase. Sitting in only helps those two and not the two nominated team leaders.

    This way, they've got 4 protected riders (possibly) in a team of 9, that's a situation that can't last.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Just watching the highlights on Eurosport, but I kinda figured something had happened today. Even though this thread had "spoiler" written on it, it had far too many postings for just a lumpy trasition stage. :D

    Maybe it's already been said, I don't want to read through 17 pages of thread, reminds me of the '06 Tour, obviously, but also the '90 Tour where Bauer, Pensec, Maassen and Chiappucci took 10 mins or so out of everyone on the first stage. Everyone said it was race over as Bauer had finished 4th in '88, but then it turned out to be Chiappucci who was the real threat. Wonder if there is another rider in that break who we haven't really heard of who will go on to win?

    Still, like Sastre and Wiggins so quite happy. Really good race so far and I'm on holiday next week. Looks like I'm going to be spending alot of it in front of the telly :D
  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    just watched my recording and what a stage. Shame we missed how 56 men managed to get away and it seems Harmon didn't really know either. Are they at the giro or just commentating from the studio ?

    Sastre and Wiggo are 7 and 8 mins back and only 7 in front if Vino so it is still close between them but this race is going to be really exciting now as if it wasn't already.

    if only the tour was this good every year
  • Gazzetta67
    Gazzetta67 Posts: 1,890
    Giro BEST stage race and has been for years

    Tour = Snoozefest for years, downhill finishes 70kms from the last col
    high mountain stages my arsenal. last years "fireworks" stage on ventoux was like watching paint dry. take note mr prudhomme this is how a stage race should be like.
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    take note mr prudhomme this is how a stage race should be like.

    Well there's been nothing in the route (except maybe the Strade Bianche) that would have suggested this would have happened. This excitement has largely come from the weather and the riders.

    Perhaps Prudhomme should use the full PR or RvV route for a stage eh?
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  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    redddraggon wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    take note mr prudhomme this is how a stage race should be like.

    Well there's been nothing in the route (except maybe the Strade Bianche) that would have suggested this would have happened. This excitement has largely come from the weather and the riders.

    Perhaps Prudhomme should use the full PR or RvV route for a stage eh?

    Pfft, lightweight. Someone should fwd this to him:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8683075.stm
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    Giro BEST stage race and has been for years

    Tour = Snoozefest for years, downhill finishes 70kms from the last col
    high mountain stages my arsenal. last years "fireworks" stage on ventoux was like watching paint dry. take note mr prudhomme this is how a stage race should be like.

    It's easy to look back on races we know the results for.

    I think the 2006-2008 Tours were all pretty exciting. In none of those races was the winner decided til the last TT and even then it was quite close (especially 2007 where Contador, Leipheimer and Evans all had a chance of winning it).
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  • deal
    deal Posts: 857
    iainf72 wrote:
    Not one to post pictures usually but

    giro_2010_st_11_EVANS_FINISH.jpg

    good to see Evans Is finally getting some support from BMC :lol:

    poor guy
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
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    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    FJS wrote:
    And the Giro hasn't properly started yet...... I really wonder how many will be at the finish...
    All the talk is about the Zoncolan and PLan Corones, but the real time differences witll be in made on the Mortirolo and Gavia stages..

    death ride
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    redddraggon wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    take note mr prudhomme this is how a stage race should be like.

    Well there's been nothing in the route (except maybe the Strade Bianche) that would have suggested this would have happened. This excitement has largely come from the weather and the riders.

    Perhaps Prudhomme should use the full PR or RvV route for a stage eh?

    Why not?
    _
  • lmrt
    lmrt Posts: 935
    redddraggon wrote:
    Gazzetta67 wrote:
    take note mr prudhomme this is how a stage race should be like.

    Well there's been nothing in the route (except maybe the Strade Bianche) that would have suggested this would have happened. This excitement has largely come from the weather and the riders.

    Perhaps Prudhomme should use the full PR or RvV route for a stage eh?

    He doesn't need to. He's already starting the Tour de France this year in Holland and we all know the chaos that caused for the riders!! :x
  • stagehopper
    stagehopper Posts: 1,593
    sherer wrote:
    just watched my recording and what a stage. Shame we missed how 56 men managed to get away and it seems Harmon didn't really know either. Are they at the giro or just commentating from the studio ?

    They're at the Giro.

    The break occurred very early on (first 20 km) way before TV coverage started when almost all the commentators were still travelling from the start town to the finish.

    Here's an explanation from Hugo Gladstone of Cycling Weekly who was a guest in the Sky team car today:

    "There was an aggressive start to the day and the peloton split on the first climb. It then started raining heavily on the descent so the bunch with the favourites sat up to get their wet weather gear, and voila, before anyone had noticed the gap was ten minutes.

    Several of the weaker teams were left in the grupetto so the chase wasn't what it could have been. The onus was on BMC and Astana to chase, but both had already lost several riders out of the back.

    Hey presto, one of the most exciting grand tours in history."

    and Wiggins's take from Cycling Weekly:

    "Those sorts of things happen once every ten years. It was a bit strange for 60 riders to go clear, and once we were 60 I don't think there was no way anyone was going to get us back". The last time I can remember [something similar] was watching the Tour de France as a kid in 2001, when Stuart [O'Grady] took the yellow jersey back in the Tour de France. Those days are pretty rare in cycling."

    "It was strange, I don't know quite what happened with Vino, if they didn't quite realise how many guys were up the road. Essentially, it was 30 riders, then it split on the climb and another 30 came across. So I don't know if they thought we were the 30-man breakaway, but everyone who was in the break profited.

    "I think there was a bit of a stalemate, no one wanted to commit and chase. They paid the price for that, and it didn't help with the weather and distance. It was epic."
    @stagehopper
  • greasedscotsman
    greasedscotsman Posts: 6,962
    Anyone else noticed how Vino seems to be pulling faces whenever the camera is on him? Is he the new Richard Virenque?
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Liquigas is to blame!

    "I felt that nobody wanted to start the chase, and it shouldn't be me who they look at to do even more [work]. I wore the pink jersey for five days, and riders like Basso and Nibali are more likely to win the Giro than me," Vinokourov explained about his decision to let them go.

    "It wasn’t me who had [the responsibility] to work for them. Nobody thought the break would earn much time. In the beginning we gave to the chase with Acqua e Sapone and BMC, but after a while we said 'Basta!' The others have to work!"

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Liquigas is to blame!

    Says the man who's responsibility it was to chase.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    FF is Vino? :shock:

    It would explain the narcissism though.
  • FJS
    FJS Posts: 4,820
    iainf72 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Liquigas is to blame!

    Says the man who's responsibility it was to chase.

    Vino blaming Liquigas is a bit rich, but there is a point in that Liquigas gambled a bit too much - in a situation as dramatic as yesterday it becomes the joint responsibilty of all GC favourite teams to chase. Liquigas pointing to Agnoli and Kiserlovski in the break is tactical, but it has kind of mis-fired. Liquigas has shifted from a very strong position of having 2 candidates for the overall win with 2 competitors, to having 4 candidates for the overall, with about 7 competitors.

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