Cavendish "two finger" signals....
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there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Massive cav fan but this was rather childish. Will still cheer for him.
the interesting thing will be when he wins the worlds everyone who was unhappy with him is celebrate a british winner.0 -
Sorry, silly mistake. I should have prefaced it with "It appears that", "The UCI give the impression" or a similar phrase.Stuey01 wrote:
who says they would rather? They could, doesn't mean they will.Simon E wrote:The UCI would much rather ban a rider for a two-fingered gesture than for violating the ethics and rules of the sport.
@intothe12, I think he takes his job very seriously. Maybe a bit too seriously at times.
@TheHelpfulDevil - would be great, as long as he tries a different salute on the line.Aspire not to have more, but to be more.0 -
dennisn wrote:intothe12 wrote:Just been catching up with this.
The lad is a really a top class poster boy for his sponsors.
He has said at least once that he is a "paid professional. This is not a f****** hobby!"
Clearly he does not take it too seriously.
Bloody Hypocrite.
The kid just goes lower and lower in my estimation.
Not following you. What does he not take seriously? :? :?
IMO he is not taking his “professional” career seriously.
Being professional is not just about the wins.
It’s about representing your sponsor (both on and off the bike) and showing them in a positive light, that is unless you take the view that all publicity is good publicity.0 -
Simon E wrote:
Sorry, silly mistake. I should have prefaced it with "It appears that", "The UCI give the impression" or a similar phrase.Stuey01 wrote:
who says they would rather? They could, doesn't mean they will.Simon E wrote:The UCI would much rather ban a rider for a two-fingered gesture than for violating the ethics and rules of the sport.
@intothe12, I think he takes his job very seriously. Maybe a bit too seriously at times.
Clearly the guy is passionate about what he does.
He also seems not to be mature enough to take any negative media pressure. Cycling is a hard sport. But he seems to make it harder still by courting further scrutiny by his gestures, comments etc.. When i say comments, negative comments about his fellow athletes.
IMO the greatest sports people took losing with style but also won with style. I really liked Cav when he came on the scene. I thought the book, if somewhat simplistic, was a good enjoyable read, I though it showed how he overcame a lot to win and succeed. But, we are now 2 years on, he should know the ropes, his old routine of being a mouth piece and overly aggressive is not refreshing to me anymore, its old hat and to be honest if some of the other sprinters gave him a kicking, well so be it.0 -
When you're one of the best, you honestly don't need to act like this. Pretty stupid really. Only going to cause issue with sponsors, colleagues, supporters, the UCI, other riders, the media etc etc. Why do it? Most unprofessional.Scott Scale 20 (for xc racing)
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iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:Now I realize I'm old, don't understand "this younger generation", or have completely missed something, but what is the significance of this two finger salute????
What does it mean, if anything???
Up yours.
That's what it means. I'm not cussing you.
Interesting. Over here it's just the middle finger. No need for two. One says it all. Must be a Euro thing??? Either that or I just don't get out enough. :? :?0 -
Your 'logic' is letting you down again Dennis. Being a doper or a bit of an immature, arrogant prick does not necessarily mean that you are a 'bad person'. Then again, plenty of others on here have already pointed this out to you.dennisn wrote:I'm sort of with Moomin23 on this one(sorry BB). Once again I'll cast my vote for him being a good person until he isn't. Although I will say that I don't support / not support people simply because they are /aren't "one of ours". That's definitely not my style.0 -
intothe12 wrote:dennisn wrote:intothe12 wrote:Just been catching up with this.
The lad is a really a top class poster boy for his sponsors.
He has said at least once that he is a "paid professional. This is not a f****** hobby!"
Clearly he does not take it too seriously.
Bloody Hypocrite.
The kid just goes lower and lower in my estimation.
Not following you. What does he not take seriously? :? :?
IMO he is not taking his “professional” career seriously.
Being professional is not just about the wins.
It’s about representing your sponsor (both on and off the bike) and showing them in a positive light, that is unless you take the view that all publicity is good publicity.
I see where you're coming from and tend to agree with what you say, with the exception
of "....not just about the wins." As near as I can tell American football coach Vince Lombardi was right on the money when he said "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." In the world of Pro sports this is exactly where things are at. If you don't win, you don't get to play.0 -
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intothe12 wrote:IMO he is not taking his “professional” career seriously.
Being professional is not just about the wins.
It’s about representing your sponsor (both on and off the bike) and showing them in a positive light, that is unless you take the view that all publicity is good publicity.
The husband of someone I work with works for HTC, mainly as an engineer but also in their marketing department and has met him a couple of times. And apparently they absolutely love him. Since he did that phone thing at the Tour (of which they have big posters in their offices), he can't really put a foot wrong as far as they're concerned.Twitter: @RichN950 -
BikingBernie wrote:
Your 'logic' is letting you down again Dennis. Being a doper or a bit of an immature, arrogant prick does not necessarily mean that you are a 'bad person'. Then again, plenty of others on here have already pointed this out to you.dennisn wrote:I'm sort of with Moomin23 on this one(sorry BB). Once again I'll cast my vote for him being a good person until he isn't. Although I will say that I don't support / not support people simply because they are /aren't "one of ours". That's definitely not my style.
I'm going to take a quick poll here. Sorry for the hijack.
Has BikingBernie ever agreed with anyone's post's?
YES
NO
WHAT A STUPID QUESTION - OF COURSE NOT.
Sorry BB. Couldn't resist. :oops: :oops:
Back to the fingers now.0 -
dennisn wrote:BikingBernie wrote:
Your 'logic' is letting you down again Dennis. Being a doper or a bit of an immature, arrogant prick does not necessarily mean that you are a 'bad person'. Then again, plenty of others on here have already pointed this out to you.dennisn wrote:I'm sort of with Moomin23 on this one(sorry BB). Once again I'll cast my vote for him being a good person until he isn't. Although I will say that I don't support / not support people simply because they are /aren't "one of ours". That's definitely not my style.
I'm going to take a quick poll here. Sorry for the hijack.
Has BikingBernie ever agreed with anyone's post's?
YES
NO
WHAT A STUPID QUESTION - OF COURSE NOT.
Sorry BB. Couldn't resist. :oops: :oops:
Back to the fingers now.
In a similar vein - have YOU ever agreed with anyone's posts?
As you were.0 -
iainf72 wrote:dennisn wrote:Now I realize I'm old, don't understand "this younger generation", or have completely missed something, but what is the significance of this two finger salute????
What does it mean, if anything???
Up yours.
That's what it means. I'm not cussing you.
Sorry, one last stupid question. Up who's??? To whom was this foul wrath directed??
I'm outraged(if I'm supposed to be). 0 -
Pokerface wrote:dennisn wrote:BikingBernie wrote:
Your 'logic' is letting you down again Dennis. Being a doper or a bit of an immature, arrogant prick does not necessarily mean that you are a 'bad person'. Then again, plenty of others on here have already pointed this out to you.dennisn wrote:I'm sort of with Moomin23 on this one(sorry BB). Once again I'll cast my vote for him being a good person until he isn't. Although I will say that I don't support / not support people simply because they are /aren't "one of ours". That's definitely not my style.
I'm going to take a quick poll here. Sorry for the hijack.
Has BikingBernie ever agreed with anyone's post's?
YES
NO
WHAT A STUPID QUESTION - OF COURSE NOT.
Sorry BB. Couldn't resist. :oops: :oops:
Back to the fingers now.
In a similar vein - have YOU ever agreed with anyone's posts?
As you were.
Oh my God. I'M BikingBernie??? Say it isn't so. :shock: :shock:0 -
dennisn wrote:
Sorry, one last stupid question. Up who's??? To whom was this foul wrath directed??
I'm outraged(if I'm supposed to be).
At the nasty journalists who said he was finished because he'd performed so badly this year.
Imagine he had to exist in the real world - If he got refused a job he'd probably send the person who interviewed him some dog crap in the post.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
dennisn wrote:I see where you're coming from and tend to agree with what you say, with the exception
of "....not just about the wins." As near as I can tell American football coach Vince Lombardi was right on the money when he said "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." In the world of Pro sports this is exactly where things are at. If you don't win, you don't get to play.
The winning at all costs argument has been used to justify all manner of actions, infringements, indiscretions etc....
Dopers, cheats, etc.. use the same argument.
For most Cycling fans, the original attraction to the sport has been the panache and style of the mountain climbers traversing the alps, the heroics of the hardened classic riders racing across cobbles and the pain of the futile break away specialists in the Grand Tours. It has not necessarily been the obsession with who crosses the line first. What this says to me, is that most fans who are not let’s say superficial fans, care about the manner in which riders carry themselves and ride. Some of the most loved cyclists have been the ones that have won the least.
Whilst this may not be the norm for American Football or Soccer fans, it is to a large degree the norm for cycling fans, or for other fans of minority sports who feel that their sport is something special and that the substance of the sport is something more than just who is the winner.0 -
Of course. For example, my post on page three of this very thread...dennisn wrote:I'm going to take a quick poll here. Sorry for the hijack.
Has BikingBernie ever agreed with anyone's post's?BikingBernie wrote:
Spot on...knedlicky wrote:I think Cav's gesture unfortunately adds a lot of weight to what many Europeans already suspect (correctly or not) about how most Brits think and behave.
Unfortunately a lot of Brits just love this sort of yobbish behaviour. Just look at some of the comments on here for confirmation...0 -
Spot on.intothe12 wrote:The winning at all costs argument has been used to justify all manner of actions, infringements, indiscretions etc.... Dopers, cheats, etc.. use the same argument.
For most Cycling fans, the original attraction to the sport has been the panache and style of the mountain climbers traversing the alps, the heroics of the hardened classic riders racing across cobbles and the pain of the futile break away specialists in the Grand Tours. It has not necessarily been the obsession with who crosses the line first. What this says to me, is that most fans who are not let’s say superficial fans, care about the manner in which riders carry themselves and ride. Some of the most loved cyclists have been the ones that have won the least.
Yet another one for Dennis... 0 -
iainf72 wrote:Imagine he had to exist in the real world - If he got refused a job he'd probably send the person who interviewed him some dog crap in the post.
I think you may well be right!
(Still counting Dennis?)0 -
Of course Cav should be meek, humble, polite, and a loser ... you know the type of sportsman favoured by the Great British public !.. who said that, internet forum people ?0
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intothe12 wrote:dennisn wrote:I see where you're coming from and tend to agree with what you say, with the exception
of "....not just about the wins." As near as I can tell American football coach Vince Lombardi was right on the money when he said "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." In the world of Pro sports this is exactly where things are at. If you don't win, you don't get to play.
The winning at all costs argument has been used to justify all manner of actions, infringements, indiscretions etc....
Dopers, cheats, etc.. use the same argument.
For most Cycling fans, the original attraction to the sport has been the panache and style of the mountain climbers traversing the alps, the heroics of the hardened classic riders racing across cobbles and the pain of the futile break away specialists in the Grand Tours. It has not necessarily been the obsession with who crosses the line first. What this says to me, is that most fans who are not let’s say superficial fans, care about the manner in which riders carry themselves and ride. Some of the most loved cyclists have been the ones that have won the least.
Whilst this may not be the norm for American Football or Soccer fans, it is to a large degree the norm for cycling fans, or for other fans of minority sports who feel that their sport is something special and that the substance of the sport is something more than just who is the winner.
I think you've got me wrong here. I wasn't talking about fans. I was saying that for PRO ATHELETES AND COACHES winning is all there is. They are not in sports for the "something special" or "the substance" of which you speak.0 -
Of course it is quite possible to be meek, humble, polite, and a winner...rockmount wrote:Of course Cav should be meek, humble, polite, and a loser ... you know the type of sportsman favoured by the Great British public !
It does seem, however, that 'the Great British Public' does prefer either plucky 'losers' or 'winners' who are arrogant, immature yobs. Just look at football.0 -
I'd say none of us should be "casting stones". We all have "lost it" once or twice in our lives and "flipped" someone off for some imagined or real wrong they have done to our person or persons.0
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He apologized.
I take it all back -- what a fine, upstanding young gentleman.0 -
dennisn wrote:I'd say none of us should be "casting stones". We all have "lost it" once or twice in our lives and "flipped" someone off for some imagined or real wrong they have done to our person or persons.
Sure, but I've never done that at work. I take my job seriously, it's not a f***ing hobby...0 -
According to an article on Wikipedia, it supposedly has historical origins but that is probably a myth...dennisn wrote:Interesting. Over here it's just the middle finger. No need for two. One says it all. Must be a Euro thing??? Either that or I just don't get out enough. :? :?According to a popular legend the two-fingers salute and/or V sign derives from the gestures of longbowmen fighting in the English army at the Battle of Agincourt (1415) during the Hundred Years' War. The story claims that the French claimed that they would cut off the arrow-shooting fingers of all the English longbowmen after they had won the battle at Agincourt. But the English came out victorious and showed off their two fingers, still intact. Historian Juliet Barker quotes Jean Le Fevre (who fought on the English side at Agincourt) as saying that Henry V included a reference to the French cutting off longbowmen's fingers in his pre-battle speech. If this is correct it confirms that the story was around at the time of Agincourt, although it doesn't necessarily mean that the French practised it, just that Henry found it useful for propaganda, and it does not show that the 'two-fingers salute' is derived from the hypothetical behaviour of English archers at that battle. Indeed, there is no record of this explanation for the V sign before the 1970s, and it seems to be a popular myth.0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:dennisn wrote:I'd say none of us should be "casting stones". We all have "lost it" once or twice in our lives and "flipped" someone off for some imagined or real wrong they have done to our person or persons.
Sure, but I've never done that at work. I take my job seriously, it's not a f***ing hobby...
Hee hee0
