Pro Tour Pundit 2010

afx237vi
afx237vi Posts: 12,630
edited January 2011 in Pro race
Hello and welcome to Pro Tour Pundit 2010 - the 5th annual edition of everyone's favourite pro cycling prediction game.

How To Play

Playing along with PTP is extremely simple - you don't have to sign up or join anything other than the Bikeradar forums. If you're already a member here, that means you're already eligible to play.

The rules of the game are simple too. A few days before each of the races listed below, a PTP thread will be started in the Pro Race forum. That thread will contain a start list of riders and some other info like the race map, relevant links, past winners and so on. Just consider who you think is likely to win and post their name in that thread. It's that simple. If the race in question is a stage-race, you also get to predict the daily stage winners.

As you play, your scores will be totted up and the overall season rankings will be updated in this thread. Take a look below for the scoring system.

2010 Calendar

As usual, there has been a bit of a rejig with the calendar this year. The Tour of California and the Critérium International have been dropped and we have added the E3 Prijs and Scheldeprijs to the Spring programme and the two Canadian one-dayers to the late season.
Feb    27 - Omloop Het Nieuwsblad
       
Mar     6 - Monte Pasche Eroica
     7-14 - Paris-Nice
    10-16 - Tirreno-Adriatico
       20 - Milan-San Remo
       27 - E3 Prijs Vlaanderen
       28 - Gent-Wevelgem
       
Apr     4 - Tour of Flanders
     5-10 - Tour of the Basque Country
        7 - Scheldeprijs
       11 - Paris-Roubaix
       18 - Amstel Gold Race
       21 - La Fleche Wallone
       25 - Liege-Bastogne-Liege
     27-2 - Tour de Romandie

May  8-30 - Giro d'Italia

Jun  6-13 - Dauphiné Libéré
    12-20 - Tour de Suisse

Jul  3-25 - Tour de France
       31 - Clasica San Sebastian
       
Aug   1-7 - Tour of Poland
       15 - Vattenfall Cyclassics
    17-24 - Eneco Tour
    28-19 - Vuelta a Espana
   
Sep    10 - GP de Québec
       12 - GP de Montréal
       29 - Worlds ITT (Women)
       30 - Worlds ITT (Men)

Oct     2 - Worlds RR (Women)
        3 - Worlds RR (Men)
       10 - Paris-Tours
       17 - Giro di Lombardia

Points System

Same as last year.
TdF = Tour de France / G/V = Giro/Vuelta / Reg = Regular season

GC and one-day winners:

     TdF | G/V | Reg
---------------------
 1 | 100 | 85  | 50 |
 2 | 75  | 65  | 40 |
 3 | 60  | 50  | 35 |
 4 | 55  | 45  | 30 |
 5 | 50  | 40  | 25 |
 6 | 45  | 35  | 20 |
 7 | 40  | 30  | 15 |
 8 | 35  | 26  | 10 |
 9 | 30  | 22  | 5  |
10 | 25  | 19  | 2  |
11 | 20  | 16  |    |
12 | 15  | 13  |    |
13 | 12  | 11  |    |
14 | 10  | 9   |    |
15 | 8   | 7   |    |
16 | 6   | 5   |    |
17 | 5   | 4   |    |
18 | 4   | 3   |    |
19 | 3   | 2   |    |
20 | 2   | 1   |    |

Stage winners:

     TdF | G/V | Reg
---------------------
  1 | 12 | 10  | 6  |
  2 | 10 |  8  | 5  |
  3 | 8  |  6  | 4  |
  4 | 7  |  5  | 3  |
  5 | 6  |  4  | 2  |
  6 | 5  |  3  | 1  |
  7 | 4  |  2  |    |
  8 | 3  |  1  |    |
  9 | 2  |     |    |
 10 | 1  |     |    |

Past Winners

Still no-one has managed to win the overall title more than once. Andyp almost managed it last year, but was just pipped by FJS in a thrilling finalé. Also, check out GroupOfOne's amazing consistency!
2006                           2007
 -------------------------------------------------------
  1. mangaman          817       1. andyp            723
  2. Dave_1            769       2. andrewgturnbull  687
  3. yace              737       3. yace             679
  4. iainf72           692       4. mangaman         631
  5. Timoid            668       5. laurence         607
  6. andrewgturnbull   665       6. afx237vi         599
  7. MarkM             621       7. Noodley          592
  8. RichN95           568       8. GroupOfOne       589
  9. afx237vi          561       9. Stephen Sorba    580
 10. GroupOfOne        549      10. Greggyr          573
 
     2008                           2009
 -------------------------------------------------------
  1. Richrd2205        977       1. FJS             1403
  2. thomasmc          922       2. andyp           1401
  3. paul27            884       3. Kléber          1388
  4. redddragon        873       4. thomasmc        1364
  5. Bronzie           848       5. Bronzie         1307
  6. andyp             837       6. graham56        1305
  7. Greggyr           823       7. mididoctors     1297
  8. GroupOfOne        816       8. scwxx77         1287
  9. scwxx77           814       9. alanmcn1        1195
 10. LangerDan         800      10. GroupOfOne      1186

That's it. Have a good season everyone!
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Comments

  • Woohoo!
    "A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"

    PTP Runner Up 2015
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Can't wait for HN! Although I fear another season of disappointment...
    ___________________

    Strava is not Zen.
  • Been hanging for this since it finished last year. Intresting that the ToC is out leaves may rather bare expect the Giro was there a reason i thought this year we might get a different winner which would have been good for PTP
    Take care of the luxuries and the necessites will take care of themselves.
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Oh no. More time spent scanning Cycling Quotient, checking weather forecasts and sifting results, not to mention the nerves during a race, a few times last year it didn't matter who won a race, it was where my PTP pick finished relative to the others that mattered!

    I'm in 8)
  • First Time Pundit!

    Can't wait to get started :)
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Looking at the past results - there I was in the top ten back in 2006, seen as the next big thing - and then absolutely nothing since. Essentially I'm the Cyril Dessel of PTP.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    :lol:

    Look on the bright side, you're guaranteed a place on a French team for the rest of your career. :wink:
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    can I get on the podium... have I the emotional energy to invest in this event?

    can be draining at times

    guess so...
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    can I get on the podium... have I the emotional energy to invest in this event?

    can be draining at times

    guess so...

    There's nothing worse than the gut wrenching feeling I get as I zoom across France on a TGV the way to a conference.. and realise I've forgotten to post a stage pick.

    Or God forbid, for GC :shock:
    ___________________

    Strava is not Zen.
  • Bring it on. Hopefully i will remember to compete in every event this year :lol:

    Thanks for doing this again afx.
  • ms_tree
    ms_tree Posts: 1,405
    Past Winners

    Still no-one has managed to win the overall title more than once. Andyp almost managed it last year, but was just pipped by FJS in a thrilling finalé. Also, check out GroupOfOne's amazing consistency!

    In light of some of the opinons on here, perhaps we should be asking what he is on ? :?

    Thanks for taking this on again AFX -king of the spreadsheets. i'm looking forward to my occasional inspirational picks!
    'Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers. A librarian can bring you back the right one.'
    Neil Gaiman
  • Ms Tree wrote:
    Also, check out GroupOfOne's amazing consistency!

    In light of some of the opinons on here, perhaps we should be asking what he is on ? :?

    Just think of me as Francisco Mancebo, floating around the top ten but not winning anything...oh wait, perhaps that wasn't the best example...
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Gonna have my first go! Obviously I have no chance against the experts (one in particular) :wink:
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Pross wrote:
    Gonna have my first go! Obviously I have no chance against the experts (one in particular) :wink:

    Is that me? It's me isn't it? Flattery will get you nowhere, though. Cash, on the other hand... :wink:

    First race is done with. Stefrees takes an early lead, being the only person to pick Flecha for Het Nieuwsblad. Here's the top 20.

    Overall scores after Het Nieuwsblad
    Name            Score
    ---------------------------
    1     stefrees           50
    2     Allez Mark         40
    3     bring_back_jan     40
    4     gattocattivo       40
    5     jimmerslimmer      40
    6     Moomaloid          40
    7     Woosha             40
    8     alanmcn1           20
    9     Art Vandelay       20
    10    BenBlyth           20
    11    camerone           20
    12    FransJacques       20
    13    HenryS             20
    14    incog24            20
    15    ironman595         20
    16    josame             20
    17    jp1985             20
    18    Kléber             20
    19    Neil McC           20
    20    oscarbudgie        20
    

    Full listings: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... H9XP77AbaA

    You only get in the PTP GC if you score some points, otherwise it would be huuuuuuge.

    Next races: Eroica (March 6th) & Paris-Nice (Mar 7-14)
  • stefrees
    stefrees Posts: 137
    can i retire?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    stefrees wrote:
    can i retire?

    My first ever PTP pick was Cancellara to win in Roubaix, which he duly did. It's been a horrible downhill slope since then. I should have quit there and then.

    I've also thought of an idea for PTP. Unique picks should score double points. It encourages maverick choices and not the usual Boonen/Cav/Contador safe picks. What Frenchfighter would call panche and style.

    Bit late for this year, but I won't remember this tomorrow, let alone in December, so I'm putting it down here as a permenant record for future consideration.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Stefrees' reign at the top was rather short lived :wink:

    Another n00b takes his place this week, with bring_back_jan holding a 10 pt lead.

    Overall scores after Eroica:
    Name            Score
    -----------------------------
    1       bring_back_jan     70
    2       ironman595         60
    3       Neil McC           60
    4       Richrd2205         60
    5       Kléber             50
    6       oscarbudgie        50
    7       Pross              50
    8       SecretSquirrel     50
    9       stanislav          50
    10      stefrees           50
    11      Allez Mark         40
    12      Cheshire_Cat       40
    13      Cumulonimbus       40
    14      FJS                40
    15      gattocattivo       40
    16      graham56           40
    17      guinea             40
    18      jimmerslimmer      40
    19      millar time        40
    20      Moomaloid          40
    

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... H9XP77AbaA
  • short lived from me too after a shocking P-N prologue pick!!!
    Music and Bikes and Alligators
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Wow, I'm going OK - I'm ahead of French Fighter, I must really know my stuff :lol:
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    short lived from me too after a shocking P-N prologue pick!!!

    Nope, you're still in the lead, although going by the provisional Tirreno scores, only for a couple more days.

    Overall scores after Paris-Nice
    Name            Score
    ---------------------------
    1     bring_back_jan    129
    2     Neil McC          120
    3     Kléber            118
    4     Richrd2205        116
    5     ironman595        114
    6     FJS               113
    7     stefrees          111
    8     oscarbudgie       108
    9     Cumulonimbus      105
    10    SecretSquirrel    105
    11    NicFrance         104
    12    slapshot          104
    13    gattocattivo      103
    14    thomasmc          103
    15    stagehopper       101
    16    graham56          100
    17    Allez Mark        99
    18    Cheshire_Cat      96
    19    guinea            96
    20    millar time       96
    

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... H9XP77AbaA
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Four races in and the top of the GC is starting to look rather familiar...

    Overall scores after Tirreno-Adriatico
    Name             Score
    ---------------------------
    1    FJS                166
    2    stagehopper        154
    3    ironman595         153
    4    Kléber             148
    5    thomasmc           145
    6    Allez Mark         143
    7    bring_back_jan     138
    8    guinea             135
    9    Woosha             134
    10   Neil McC           132
    11   millar time        131
    12   NicFrance          125
    13   stanislav          123
    14   Richrd2205         123
    15   Moomaloid          121
    16   stefrees           121
    17   Rhods              119
    18   Cumulonimbus       119
    19   gattocattivo       116
    20   iainf72            113
    

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... H9XP77AbaA
  • calvjones
    calvjones Posts: 3,850
    Not even top-20. I'm still cursing that Nuyens puncture in HN :roll:
    ___________________

    Strava is not Zen.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,549
    FJS is fair steaming ahead. He'll be a tough man to catch.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Iain, well done, you're ahead of Percival now!
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    andyp wrote:
    FJS is fair steaming ahead. He'll be a tough man to catch.

    Lovkvist !

    you and me both
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • alanmcn1
    alanmcn1 Posts: 531
    Oh my god!!!!!!!!! I've started like Cav. A repeat of my top 10 is already looking bleak...........
    Robert Millar for knighthood
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123
    As a PTP rookie I was chuffed beyond belief at my top twenty placing :cry:

    I think I should now let my heart rule my head. If I had chosen me new fave (Big MIglinsky delivered the goods at Eroica :wink: ) for every stage of T-A and the GC, I would have scored far more points than I did (1 miserable point :evil: ) with my, ever so, carefully considered picks. :?

    Hmmm food for thought................ :roll:
  • secretsqirrel
    secretsqirrel Posts: 2,123
    ^^^

    See?

    If I had followed my own advise I could have had another 10 points for MSR :roll:
    Chose the wrong Astana boy (Gasparotto) didn't I.........................doh!
  • Cumulonimbus
    Cumulonimbus Posts: 1,730
    Hi there

    Cheers for taking the time to do all of this afx, bearing that in mind i feel a bit cheeky for asking but i was just wondering why the Volta a Catalunya isnt included as it is a ProTour event?
  • afx237vi
    afx237vi Posts: 12,630
    Hi there

    Cheers for taking the time to do all of this afx, bearing that in mind i feel a bit cheeky for asking but i was just wondering why the Volta a Catalunya isnt included as it is a ProTour event?

    I think it was in the first one or two PTPs, but it was up against the Giro, and there was no TV coverage, so got fewer people playing. After a couple of years the "Pro Tour" part of "Pro Tour Pundit" kinda went by the wayside.