240 miles in 9 hours.
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Escargot wrote:dodgy wrote:I think anyone that is regularly doing sub 20 minute 10s will have an implicit appreciation of what it takes to ride 240miles inside 9 hours, too. I'm surprised someone of that standard would bother asking in a public forum, would be better off approaching their team coach/management.
True but that's kind of like a 100m sprinter asking someone how feasible it would be to run a marathon in 2 hours 30 ?
I don't necessarily agree with that. Yeah a 100m sprinter wouldn't have a clue about anything over 400m, but a sub 20 TT'ist is likely to have done longer rides in their time.
I think what dodgy is saying is that hairylegs is coming across totally clueless, and that if he was doing sub 20 regularly he would have a bit of a clue about longer events.
Take Hutch for example, he can knock out a sub 20 week in week out, then you'll see him doing a 100!0 -
:shock: Good luck! :shock:0
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Percy Vera wrote:Escargot wrote:dodgy wrote:I think anyone that is regularly doing sub 20 minute 10s will have an implicit appreciation of what it takes to ride 240miles inside 9 hours, too. I'm surprised someone of that standard would bother asking in a public forum, would be better off approaching their team coach/management.
True but that's kind of like a 100m sprinter asking someone how feasible it would be to run a marathon in 2 hours 30 ?
I don't necessarily agree with that. Yeah a 100m sprinter wouldn't have a clue about anything over 400m, but a sub 20 TT'ist is likely to have done longer rides in their time.
I think what dodgy is saying is that hairylegs is coming across totally clueless, and that if he was doing sub 20 regularly he would have a bit of a clue about longer events.
Take Hutch for example, he can knock out a sub 20 week in week out, then you'll see him doing a 100!
Fair enough. I don't know what the OP has done so just thought I'd try to bring some perspective seeing as everyone is saying "nooooo waaaaay"
Reading some of the responses I wonder if the iron man I spoke to was feeding me BS. He claimed 112 miles averaging 23mph. Clearly I'm no expert but given he would then have gone on to run a full marathon then (in my mind at least) it doesn't seem inconceivable that it would be possible to do another 112 miles at 23mph.
I guess this would still mean doing the 240 miles in over 10 hours (assuming no major disruptions) but it kinda seems feasible. Whether the OP can get the training in to do this I'm not sure but I'm still on the fence with this.
As before though if he gets the training in and fails he'll still be one mofo of a rider
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OP.
Remember this post...
If bet £35 that you will not be able to do it (I'd bet £100 but I'm a student), I know it's not much, but you could get yourself a new chain, maybe a new set of shorts, or maybe a new seatpost? Maybe a new front mech? Maybe some energy drink? If you manage it, then I'll hapilly transfer £35 over.0 -
I think one of the fastest Ironman splits for the bike is an average of 26mph so it is feasible your Ironman friend averaged 23mph, but it would depend on the course (ie hilly? closed roads? etc), conditions, if he's good, and if he was able to run afterwards
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100 mile track record - Rod Evans 3:47:26
200 mile track AND road record - both by Marko Baloh in, strangely enough, the same time of 8 hours, 17 minutes. At least according to the Ultra Cycling association.0 -
Shavedlegs - how did you get on with the Premier Calendar team that you were putting together last year?0
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I would use the 'shocked' emoticon, but that wouldn't quite cover it.
I know nothing, so this really is IMHO, but this sounds insane.
Good luck mate!0 -
Percy Vera wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong - if he comes back and proves he's done a sub 20 for 10 I will apologise.
Guilty till proven innocent eh? Lets hope you're never asked to do jury duty0 -
Some of the top amateur time trial riders only manage 240 miles in 12 HOURS around a course which I imagine doesn't pass through the centre of London.
I think you have posted this question merely to start a debate.
You know perfectly well it is not an achievable feat.0 -
Ignore what most of these people say! If you want to do it and think you can do it then try it!
Remember just over 50 years ago it was totally impossible and unheard of for someone to run a mile in under 4 minutes, imagine if roger banister had listened to all his critics!
(I know I now leave myself open to plenty of criticism along the lines of: "whats 1 mile compared to 200+" or "thats running, we're talking about cycling!" but the point im trying to get across is that people told him he couldn't and then he did)0 -
Ollieda wrote:Ignore what most of these people say! If you want to do it and think you can do it then try it!
Remember just over 50 years ago it was totally impossible and unheard of for someone to run a mile in under 4 minutes, imagine if roger banister had listened to all his critics!
(I know I now leave myself open to plenty of criticism along the lines of: "whats 1 mile compared to 200+" or "thats running, we're talking about cycling!" but the point im trying to get across is that people told him he couldn't and then he did)
That was my attitude, to be honest. Shavedlegs hasn't come on here bragging about how he's going to monster this ride, he has severe doubts as to its feasibility himself, and yet he's still willing to try.
Why give him grief for that?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Ollieda wrote:Ignore what most of these people say! If you want to do it and think you can do it then try it!
Remember just over 50 years ago it was totally impossible and unheard of for someone to run a mile in under 4 minutes, imagine if roger banister had listened to all his critics!
(I know I now leave myself open to plenty of criticism along the lines of: "whats 1 mile compared to 200+" or "thats running, we're talking about cycling!" but the point im trying to get across is that people told him he couldn't and then he did)
Strangely, I agree with you. I'm just telling the OP that, for him, it's not possible. Unless it's to the exclusion of pretty much everything else in his life. Key words being "pretty much
everything else" or possibly just "everything else". I gave him a partial list, earlier, of what he needed to do(at the very least). It is possible to win 7 TDF's, 8 Olympic golds, etc., etc.
but one must make EVERY sacrifice that is required to do it.0 -
mikeq wrote:Percy Vera wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong - if he comes back and proves he's done a sub 20 for 10 I will apologise.
Guilty till proven innocent eh? Lets hope you're never asked to do jury duty
I am basing my opinion on the evidence I have available to me. He hasn't come back with evidence to prove otherwise, I think that's the way the courts work also.
What evidence?
Read one of my earlier posts about Shavedlegs saying he can do a sub 20 10, and a sub 1hr 25. Now if he can do a sub 20, then he should be able to do very low 50's for 25 - at least. If you can do low 50's for 25 you don't say I can do 25 in under an hour!
I've read quite a bit of his blog. He was a 4th Cat rider and made it to 3rd, but I can't work out if he made it to 2nd. He did a 2 up 10 and they decided at the start to do 2.5 mile stints on the front! His wife gives him grief when he trains, she said its effecting their relationship. He lacks a lot of motivation even during races....etc etc etc.
Now I don't mind someone coming on here and asking can they do something. In fact my 2nd post on this thread (I think) I stuck up for him saying I think he's got the message, but he came back with another post saying he'd been googling, and he reckons he can do it, which is fair enough. That side of things I don't mind, but I do dislike people BSing about their times. It's a pet hate, if you like. Why would you do it?
I've asked Shavedlegs twice for the evidence, but been ignored. I've googled his real name and came up with nothing. The only time I've got for him (if it's true) is 50/51mins for 3 laps of Richmond Park? I've no idea if this is good or not? Can Hutch do this?
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Good luck with it but I doubt you'll do it.
Like other posters have said the distance isn't impossible if you were doing this on a 12 hour course but you are including a ride through London
What is your average spped going to be during that bit of the distance? Have a think about that and how long it will take to get through that congested part of your ride. Then work out what your average speed will have to be for the remainder of the ride.
Because that's the real issue, you shouldnt simply look at it as averaging 23 mph but really you'll have one start section with a lower average speed which means that when you are on the open road you're probably going to be left needing to average say 25/26 mph... hmm good look with that on your own for that sort of period.
Can you get someone to drive a transit van in front of you so you can draft? 0 -
Because that's the real issue, you shouldnt simply look at it as averaging 23 mph but really you'll have one start section with a lower average speed which means that when you are on the open road you're probably going to be left needing to average say 25/26 mph... hmm good look with that on your own for that sort of period.
The maths is a bit out here. If he is to complete 240 miles in 9 hours he needs to AVERAGE 26.6 recurring mph. That's ridiculous.0 -
It's impossible, 100% impossible for him, unless as said, he quits his job and is happy for his wife to leave him.0
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freehub wrote:manofsteel wrote:Go for it mate! I'm not sure that you'll do it - but don't listen to those people that are saying it's pointless, you'll have fun trying and will be a great achievement whatever time you do it in. :P
It'd not be fun when he's at his limit and loosing power and then realising that he could be over 4 hours out or even worse not being able to complete it...
Just trying to look on the brighter side of things! Chartities are going to benefit from someone prepared to flog themselves to within an inch of their limit. It kind of restores your faith in human nature.'Pain is just weakness leaving your body'
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manofsteel wrote:Just trying to look on the brighter side of things! Chartities are going to benefit from someone prepared to flog themselves to within an inch of their limit. It kind of restores your faith in human nature.
+1
No point trying to achieve something you know you can do.0 -
I think I may need to change the title of the post, the challenge is now London to Bath and Back which is 224 miles, according to Google maps.
It is an official Road Records Association distance, the record was set in 1981 at 9hrs 4mins, by PJ Woodrow I think.
My life has been thrown into the air over the last two years, and I've learnt a lot. Not least you have to be selfish sometimes, this is possibly my one selfish moment. To attempt something I have no idea I can achieve, certainly couldn't at the moment, but with training? We'll see. But also to raise as much money as possible for a charity which has and will again play a role in my life.
I'll be disappointed if I don't make it, but probably not surprised. But I hope to be proud of the money raised.
Percy Vera, The times I stated are self timed, I haven't raced formally for a long time. I don't know if that makes you think I was lying, but that wasn't my intention, although reading the post I guess I shouldn't have said 10m tt's but 10miles. It was a quick reply to the thread to give people an idea of where I am at. I actually I don't think my 10 mile time matters with this bet. But I know how hard and painful those rides are, and that I keep coming back for more. Your desire for the truth reminds me of my wife, I hope you didn't spend too long searching, I didn't think I came up on Google at all. Richmond Park is 21 miles for 3 laps, there are lazy drivers/deer and roundabouts to negotiate, if you read the thread you will have read the excuses.
I have a coach who seems to think I have chance and I plan to chart my progress on this forum, or blog or something. Not self publicity, but to attract as many donations as possible, and may be prove the human body can do remarkable things.
FreeHub, The £35 is noted.
Now I'm going to hop on the turbo, not training specific, but Dad has to go back to hospital on Sunday, which wasn't planned and it is on mind.
Thanks for the comments and general support everyone, whether you think I'll do it or not.0 -
Thanks for the response.
If your coach thinks you have a chance then listen to him.
30secs spent on googling your name, but a bit longer reading your blog as it had my attention or maybe I was doing a bit of work avoidance!
Is Patrick doing it with you?
I would love to see you take £35 of Will. Let us know how your training is going and how you get on in your 100TT on Sunday.
What happened to Shaved Legs? What was it? Selling bikes?0 -
Oh, just one more thing during train remember where my name comes from - persevere 0
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Wow... a big challenge! Chapeau for even contemplating it. I think your revised plan is possible, but will require commitment, planning and a modicum of good luck. If you manage to succeed I hope that it brings you what you need, be it financially, or even just in terms of a sense of achievement.
I would like to add a couple of observations and ask some questions...
* Is there an official route? i.e. A4 all the way or any route you like?
* Have you recced the route?
* Are there any 'rules' as such for the attempt or just self imposed restrictions?
* Surely there are a hell of a lot more cars around now than in 1981 to traffic could be a bit of a problem
* As a result will you attempt it at night?
* Will you ride it supported with a chase vehicle or unsupported?
* How will your time be verified? Data logging GPS? Independent adjudication?0 -
Place to place records like this are (as mentioned above), under the rules of the Road Records Association......
http://www.rra.org.uk
All the rules etc, are on there.
Plenty of info on the current record holder John Woodburn is available for the Googlin'.
(Probably one of the best ever long distance time trialists and a former End to End record holder, and still knocking out 25's well under the hour in his early seventies)!.
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shavedlegs
Here are the targets for your training program
All you have to do is meet these simple goals
Sep 25 miles in 1 hour
Oct 50 miles in 2 hours
Nov 75 miles in 3 hours
Dec 100 miles in 4 hours
Jan 150 miles in 6 hours
Feb 200 miles in 8 hours
Mar 224 miles in 9 hours
You might like to go on and aim to grab the national 24 hour title in July
If you are also planning a sub 50 hour Paris-Brest-Paris for 2011 please note that a 400km audax this year is a prequalification, unllike previous editions0 -
vorsprung wrote:shavedlegs
Here are the targets for your training program
All you have to do is meet these simple goals
Sep 25 miles in 1 hour
Oct 50 miles in 2 hours
Nov 75 miles in 3 hours
Dec 100 miles in 4 hours
Jan 150 miles in 6 hours
Feb 200 miles in 8 hours
Mar 224 miles in 9 hours
You might like to go on and aim to grab the national 24 hour title in July
If you are also planning a sub 50 hour Paris-Brest-Paris for 2011 please note that a 400km audax this year is a prequalification, unllike previous editions
Simples!!.
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There's a lot of cynicism on here, and I'm saying this as a natural born cynic
If you want to break the London-Bath-London record, I reckon you're in with a chance. The record was set well before the advent of tribars, aero helmets and deep rims, this will help. Above all, you need to pick the right day weather-wise and have some good support on the day, something not easy to marry with the requirements to submit notice.
But you'll suffer because the route has been changed, the "Bath Road" was a much quicker route than it is today because of the M4, and A4 bypasses, you can't take such a straight line these days and there are many more traffic lights along the route.0 -
according to the westmorland herald, someone's just done the c2c ( 150 miles ) in 5 hours 20......seems a bit far fetched to me- avge speed of 27mph0
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It's 20 quid now am afraid, £35 was for the origional distance.0
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If you make it in under 9 hours i will buy you a Curlywurly.0
