Going "into the red" on hills
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Maybe slipped on one of the 55 banana skins laying around his feet.....and is not to well?
All them banana'a has prob blocked him up then his ass exploded....get well soon.0 -
Don't any of you watch the news-Manchester cyclist taken hostage(although he made a spirited attempt at an escape up a steep hill,but ran out of puff after a few metres)Kidnappers demand 250,000bananas ransom or your never hear from him again.So please if you have any spare bananas please send them to the TBBF(The British Bihma Foundation)Thank you.
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Wow, this thread has gone bananas. :?0
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Nice to see your alive and well Bhima, but that post by airwave was class.0
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Bhima wrote:How often do people go into the red on a training ride? I've always tried to avoid it, so I can ride longer, but the concept of "no pain, no gain", is making me think that I should start pushing higher gears...
Would someone please clarify; by red zone do we mean
above MHR or
above 80/85% of MHR, ie into the anaerobic zone?vintage newbie, spinning away0 -
gbs wrote:Bhima wrote:How often do people go into the red on a training ride? I've always tried to avoid it, so I can ride longer, but the concept of "no pain, no gain", is making me think that I should start pushing higher gears...
Would someone please clarify; by red zone do we mean
above MHR or
above 80/85% of MHR, ie into the anaerobic zone?
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gbs wrote:Bhima wrote:How often do people go into the red on a training ride? I've always tried to avoid it, so I can ride longer, but the concept of "no pain, no gain", is making me think that I should start pushing higher gears...
Would someone please clarify; by red zone do we mean
above MHR?
How can you go ABOVE MHR? Is MHR, by definition, the MAX you can achieve? :?0 -
Pokerface wrote:[
How can you go ABOVE MHR? Is MHR, by definition, the MAX you can achieve? :?
I had in mind to the result of the various well known equations such as MHR = 220 - age (in yrs). It is perfectly possible to sustain above MHR calculated in this way but best avoided.vintage newbie, spinning away0 -
gbs wrote:Pokerface wrote:[
How can you go ABOVE MHR? Is MHR, by definition, the MAX you can achieve? :?
I had in mind to the result of the various well known equations such as MHR = 220 - age (in yrs). It is perfectly possible to sustain above MHR calculated in this way but best avoided.
220-age does not equal MHR though, it just equals a random HR0 -
gbs wrote:Pokerface wrote:[
How can you go ABOVE MHR? Is MHR, by definition, the MAX you can achieve? :?
I had in mind to the result of the various well known equations such as MHR = 220 - age (in yrs). It is perfectly possible to sustain above MHR calculated in this way but best avoided.
As pokerface says if its not your maximum heart rate then you can't call it your maxHR no matter how it was determined and just underlines how useless a formula it is.
Basically 1 hour time trial pace is threshold anything over this is red lining. Why? Because efforts not much below this pace can be sustained for a long time whereas efforts over this can only be sustained for very short time hence the reason why there is so much talk about threshold training.
Everytime you go into the red it has an effect on your abiity to recovery effectively from it and if you repeatedly go into the red you will blow up on longer rides or in efforts where you are working hard.
If you are going to work on heart rate based training then you either need to do a threshold test or maxHR test otherwise it is pretty pointless.0 -
BHIMA - Descending. Posted Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:15 am
The best one is this:
- Hands on the handlebars, as close to the stem as possible.
- Feet unclipped and tucked up towards your chest so that your thighs are touching your elbows.
- Chin about 2 inches above your wrists
Similar to when you do a "cannon-ball" dive at the swimming-pool.
Seriously, this one is mental. I remember sitting up from this and watching my speedometer drop about 5mph in half a second.
Very interesting but, did you use it on the Wheelers training run :!: :?:"There's a shortage of perfect breasts in this world, t'would be a pity to damage yours."0 -
The effect of dropping 5mph in half a second could be quite dangerous, I'd not want to put my breaks on to slow down that quick.0
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Just when i think he can't come up with any more ludicrous dreck..."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Will - drops like that happen all the time, when you hit a hill at the bottom of a descent for example.softlad wrote:Bhima wrote:Wow, this thread has gone bananas. :?
back to the real question...
how did the wheelers training ride go..?
Didn't go out with the Wheelers.
Did go out with another club though because they met up at 12, not 9.
Went well. Nothing to report really.
Going out with them again on Saturday, maybe and I'll get to the Wheelers on Sunday as I believe they're doing an un-official re-run of the Cheshire Cat.0 -
And what is the exact name of this club Bhima?
Half a second would be like pulling on breaks, unless you are not going fast in the first place and get hit by a huge gust and are in a headwind thats the only way.0 -
For a man who specialises in detail, that was a bit light!
Also... I've often wished clubs would go out at 12, but never found one yet."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Glad to hear you're alive Bhima, sounds like a Macc Wheelers run to me.
All this talk of MHR is a bit serious and sensible for a Bhima thread isn't it, unless of course we're discussing a Bhima designed HR monitor made up of him using an earphone as a mic duct taped to his chest and recording his heart beat on the ride and shouting "hill" or "maximum" intermittently and then working out his MHR on slow playback
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disgruntledgoat wrote:For a man who specialises in detail, that was a bit light!
Also... I've often wished clubs would go out at 12, but never found one yet.
I also would quite like races to start at 3 in the afternoon, doesn't happen though...
"A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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doyler78 wrote:gbs wrote:Pokerface wrote:[
How can you go ABOVE MHR? Is MHR, by definition, the MAX you can achieve? :?
I had in mind to the result of the various well known equations such as MHR = 220 - age (in yrs). It is perfectly possible to sustain above MHR calculated in this way but best avoided.
As pokerface says if its not your maximum heart rate then you can't call it your maxHR no matter how it was determined and just underlines how useless a formula it is.
I think that is a rether harsh way of responding. The equation is known to be a rough rule of thumb and I have known it to be used by a GP and Prof of Respiratory Medicine as a way of communicating with those who haven't had the benefit of cardiac tests etc
Basically 1 hour time trial pace is threshold anything over this is red lining. Why? Because efforts not much below this pace can be sustained for a long time whereas efforts over this can only be sustained for very short time hence the reason why there is so much talk about threshold training.
Everytime you go into the red it has an effect on your abiity to recovery effectively from it and if you repeatedly go into the red you will blow up on longer rides or in efforts where you are working hard.
If you are going to work on heart rate based training then you either need to do a threshold test or maxHR test otherwise it is pretty pointless.
My concerns are
1. avoiding excessive stress ie potential heart damage to which MHR must be relevant
2. optimising per the penultimate and prior paras from doyler quoted above. Those comments are, I am sure correct, but some quantification would help. When you mention !ht TT and threshold what outputs are you measuring - speed? HR? Power?
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...ShockedSoShocked wrote:disgruntledgoat wrote:For a man who specialises in detail, that was a bit light!
Also... I've often wished clubs would go out at 12, but never found one yet.
I also would quite like races to start at 3 in the afternoon, doesn't happen though...
If only my boss would move quitting time to two in the afternoon..."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Slow1972 wrote:Glad to hear you're alive Bhima, sounds like a Macc Wheelers run to me.
All this talk of MHR is a bit serious and sensible for a Bhima thread isn't it, unless of course we're discussing a Bhima designed HR monitor made up of him using an earphone as a mic duct taped to his chest and recording his heart beat on the ride and shouting "hill" or "maximum" intermittently and then working out his MHR on slow playback
Per frequency of maximum RMS dB (deciBel) value, MHR can be calculated using Fourier analysis of the quandrant synaptic ratio of equal rotational synthesis. Power output from the rider can then be added to the gradient-density spectrograph using a sampling rate of 44,100Hz minus the percentage of power-weight-ratio volume experienced by negative-torque mechanisms during descents.
This can be graphed to show how many BPH is necessary by using semi-secondary calorie-sweat anti-dysfunctional exception formulae.
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Is there any way to calculate MHR using the e=mc2 formula?0
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Don't trust the Banana.If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers.0
