Going "into the red" on hills

a_n_t

redddraggon wrote:

Bhima should get himself on some chaingangs or proper hilly club runs.

I thought he was out with the wheelers tomorrow? I might go, I need to see that handle tape in the flesh!!

freehub

I've seen it in the flesh, it's only handle tape, just looks like the handlebars is about the burst

GavH

Bhima wrote:

Anyway, Will, me & you have totally different climbing styles. You (and everyone else I know) seem to be out of the saddle as soon as an incline starts, attacking it to get some momentum going, whereas I tend to spin up it seated as much as possible as I, strangely, get waaay out of breath when out of the saddle and try to conserve energy if it starts to ramp up harder. Obviously, you get more power out of the saddle, so it's inevitable i'm gonna get dropped!

Ok, I've read many a classic Bhima post and thought, jeez this guys keen. Then theres been the ones where I've thought this kid really is Elevenarife, (if you've been to Tenarife, he'll tell you about when he was at Elevearife). This one though has to take the cake as it seems a tad contrdictory to the posts he made a few weeks back here:

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... 6&start=20

The one where he claimed that grinding bigger, harder gears helped his HR and respiration rate drop and in effect recover. Most of us couldn't believe that, just as we didn't believe his claims of 150 rpm uphills. I personally still can't get over the thread where he posted a picture of what amounted to ditch water and asked if it was ok to drink! But if he is capable of spinning big gears up a hill at 150 rpm then he should NOT be getting dropped under any circumstances, not even if he hasn't had a banana for 30 mins. For example 70rpm on a 34x27 will generate just shy of 7mph. A 39x21 at 150rpm will generate a pace of almost 22mph!!

Bhima, you need to start actually TAKING advice and not just posting bone threads asking for it when what you really mean to say is "honestly guys, how AWESOME am I!!?" Frankly, it's getting boring.

If however you feel especially hard done by here, why not use some of the huge income your three jobs will be generating and buy a Garmin 705. Go on one of these mythical 18mph rides in the Peak and post the results online, performance graphs and all.

Infamous

GavH wrote:

Bhima, you need to start actually TAKING advice and not just posting bone threads asking for it when what you really mean to say is "honestly guys, how AWESOME am I!!?" Frankly, it's getting boring.

In fairness, he is awesome.

Pokerface

Infamous wrote:

GavH wrote:

Bhima, you need to start actually TAKING advice and not just posting bone threads asking for it when what you really mean to say is "honestly guys, how AWESOME am I!!?" Frankly, it's getting boring.

In fairness, he is awesome.

We ARE searching for the first Brit to win the TdF. We mustn't overlook this great talent.

a_n_t

Bhima wrote:

I've just taken the plunge and booked Friday night off work. Hopefully that'll stop you lot bugging me. I'll do the 60-mile "mixed" ride on Saturday from the Gateway.

Guess what?



No bhima :roll:




Grocers out of bananas?

Bhima

Sorry, Ant...

:x Got up an hour later than expected, so had no time to eat and get down to the Gateway without throwing up 10 minutes into the ride.

I considered rushing down and trying to hold on until we got to a cafe but I didn't really fancy going out and tackling some hills on an empty stomach, to be honest.

I'll do the hilly ride tomorrow instead.

disgruntledgoat

Bhima wrote:

Sorry, Ant...

:x Got up an hour later than expected, so had no time to eat and get down to the Gateway without throwing up 10 minutes into the ride.

I considered rushing down and trying to hold on until we got to a cafe but I didn't really fancy going out and tackling some hills on an empty stomach, to be honest.

I'll do the hilly ride tomorrow instead.

Quelle surprise

volvicspar

Manc wheelers rule bhima 8) With your level of fitness and stamina, you'll be ready to enter next years tour de france after just a few club runs . Plus you could get sponsorship from some Banana importers ! :roll:

GavH

Bhima wrote:

I'll do the hilly ride tomorrow instead.

Now my real name isn't William Hill or even Paddy Power, but I'm quite willing to take bets that he comes up with another excuse for tomorrow.

Seriously Bhima, you've set your own bar here by making all these claims about your speed, cadence, fitness and banana eating prowess etc. First chance to prove it all true in front of another forum member who could vouch for you and you sleep in? I'm sure even you'll forgive the forumites for thinking your making just a little more than some of this all up, including the sleeping in bit. :roll:

redddraggon

GavH wrote:

Seriously Bhima, you've set your own bar here by making all these claims about your speed, cadence, fitness and banana eating prowess etc. First chance to prove it all true in front of another forum member who could vouch for you and you sleep in?

Willhub has already told us what he's really like, he mightn't be the smartest kid around, but Will always tells the truth, down to the tiniest detail.

freehub

Get an alarm clock Bhima, it works for me, and go to sleep at a sensible time, I went to sleep at 10pm, got up at 5am, 6:30am I set off for a ride.

Infact I'm wrong, an alarm clock is useless for me, as I always wake up 5 mins before it goes off

Bhima

It's my sleeping patterns. Working nights and all that. :?

Alarm clock did go off, but I somehow managed to turn it off without waking up. :shock:

Don't know what all the drama's about! I'll be there tomorrow, for sure. It'll be a lot easier to get up early now i've done it once.

shockedsoshocked

There's a bloke who works 12 hour night shifts (as in real night shifts, 8 - 8 ) at local steelworks and still makes it to the run every weekday at 9 30 for a good kicking over the NY Moors.

No excuse really.

freehub

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

There's a bloke who works 12 hour night shifts (as in real night shifts, 8 - 8 ) at local steelworks and still makes it to the run every weekday at 9 30 for a good kicking over the NY Moors.

No excuse really.

EVERY week day??

So he works from 8PM to 8AM, then 1 hour 30mins later is meeting your for a kicking over the NY Moors??? :shock:

Bhima

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

There's a bloke who works 12 hour night shifts (as in real night shifts, 8 - 8 ) at local steelworks and still makes it to the run every weekday at 9 30 for a good kicking over the NY Moors.

No excuse really.

That's different though, he's not sleeping! You feel less tired by staying up all night, instead of maybe having a couple of hours then waking up again. I should know - the ammount of all-nighters i've done through college is ridiculous!

freehub

You feel less tired from staying u all night? I don't think that's true for everyone, I'd be dead from staying up all night and if I tried to get on my bike I'd fail to get out of my village.

a_n_t

not going out tomorrow with it being fathers day.

Airwave

When he's famous we'll all have :oops: faces.He gives a masterclass in forum posting every day&we take him for granted.I salute you sir!

Slow Downcp

Bhima wrote:

Sorry, Ant...

:x Got up an hour later than expected, so had no time to eat and get down to the Gateway without throwing up 10 minutes into the ride.

Couldn't you have waited a while and caught up? An hours head start isn't that much

GavH

Bhima wrote:

You feel less tired by staying up all night, instead of maybe having a couple of hours then waking up again.

Yet another classic Bhima comment which is based on zero fact whatsoever. Try staying up and working for about 36 hrs or more. I guarantee you'll be chinstrapped and probably even hallucinating.

redddraggon

GavH wrote:

I guarantee you'll be chinstrapped and probably even hallucinating.

Perhaps you've just hit the nail on the head there........

Bhima

I did 55 hours last summer while working on a farm (hard hard work too). Your body gets used to it after a bit. If you fall asleep, even for just a minute, your body continues to shut down for a bit after you wake up and it can disrupt the state of alertness you've been trying to hold on to all night.

GavH

Bhima wrote:

I did 55 hours last summer while working on a farm (hard hard work too). Your body gets used to it after a bit. If you fall asleep, even for just a minute, your body continues to shut down for a bit after you wake up and it can disrupt the state of alertness you've been trying to hold on to all night.

Ok, I'll have to ask, why did you not sleep for 55 hours on a farm?
I've worked on a farm before as a youngster and I know how much hard work it can be but I also know that animals have to sleep too. Unless for some weird reason someone is up all night preventing them from sleeping...

CyclingBantam

redddraggon wrote:

chrisw12 wrote:

If I dropped someone on a hill and that person had to walk, I don't think I'd be telling everyone about it.

If you're that much better than someone then perhaps a little modesty and sympathy is needed even if the other person might be over exaggerating/talking out of his ars*. :roll: .

Nah Will is just telling it like it is. Nothing wrong with that.

I think Bhima has been smoking too much pot personally.

+ 1 Bhima isconstantly talking crap on here so it is only fair that someone who knows him points this out. Various people will come on here for advice and before they realise what he is like could be given very inaccurate views on what they should/should not be aiming for.

It is quite clear he is all talk but you only get that understanding after a few posts.

CyclingBantam

THis thread is brilliant.

Bhima... are you ok down there...

le_grimpeur

Bhima,
I do hope that you are not disheartened by the inordinate amount of nick picking by others, it really pisses me off when any genuine cycling posts are met with snide negative comments, after all, you are not posting comments on a 'let's all be mean to anyone because of our own inferiority complexes'

Anyway, in general I have found that going harder on less rides (with assumed recovery) does result in improved performance. Though it seems that your love for the bike could mean you missing a day's riding. What about a compromise, if you do have the possibility of going out for a 7 day stretch, why not pick a climb, and note your time taken and the mean during the ride, say 8mph, and next time, try to do it at 8.5mph, etc. This way you can continue to enjoy every day and devote some time to improving your timing. I have no doubt that you will improve even if you just ride for the love of it every day, but this will be slow, like you'll notice it in two or three months maybe, but more likely you'll be impressed by your performance next year (bit pessimistic, but makes the point).

Don' t know if the following is gonna help you, but it is what I have found to give a boost to my hill climbing. There's a climb near where I live, I do this deliberately at the end of the ride, and try to - obviously - improve the best time up it. Of course I go faster if I do this at the start of the ride, but I have found that doing it at the end of a ride, when I am already knackered, has benefited my climbing.

During a ride, try to go harder in the last 1/4 of a hill, next time the last 1/3, and increase the starting point of the harder effort.

Plot a ride which is just meant for hill climbing - perhaps a bit shorter than 65 miles, and go flat out.

I have also started 'Time Trialling' up a 17k 5% route, and have also added the horrible climb out of the village, which is absolutely knackering, but I have already noticed an improvement.

redddraggon

le_grimpeur wrote:

Bhima,
I do hope that you are not disheartened by the inordinate amount of nick picking by others, it really pisses me off when any genuine cycling posts are met with snide negative comments, after all, you are not posting comments on a 'let's all be mean to anyone because of our own inferiority complexes'

You too believe his fantasy world is genuine?

freehub

le_grimpeur wrote:

Bhima,
I do hope that you are not disheartened by the inordinate amount of nick picking by others, it really pisses me off when any genuine cycling posts are met with snide negative comments, after all, you are not posting comments on a 'let's all be mean to anyone because of our own inferiority complexes'

.

And I hope you dont think my main posts are nick picking, cause it's a fast it does not add up, I'm certainly not taking the p155, tbh he's ok but his performance he talks about on the forum does not add up to real world that's what I'm saying.

I do think some stuff you say bhima does sound like crap, I don't like to word my posts and make it out insulting though as I've met you in real life and whilst some of the stuff you say is odd and on here does not match up with real world performance I'd still go on rides and that with you, last thing I try and do is p155 people off who I've being cycling with and then so they wont cycle with me again which in turn would mean I'm always cycling on my own.

shockedsoshocked

freehub wrote:

ShockedSoShocked wrote:

There's a bloke who works 12 hour night shifts (as in real night shifts, 8 - 8 ) at local steelworks and still makes it to the run every weekday at 9 30 for a good kicking over the NY Moors.

No excuse really.

EVERY week day??

So he works from 8PM to 8AM, then 1 hour 30mins later is meeting your for a kicking over the NY Moors??? :shock:

Yup, he rides from work straight to the meeting point He occasionally does manage to get a few sneaky naps in at work though. He's found a good few nooks and crannies to hide in! There's a few firemen in the team who do a similar thing, but they've usually slept right through night shift (a nightmare shift at work for them is if someone was snoring )