Cycling and Class
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Rockbuddy wrote:
I'm trying to keep up, while looking like I am working
It seems your experience is limited to cyclists who are / seem "middle class" cycling for a hobby but what you have found out from this thread is that (although you've not met them) there are lots of cyclists from allsorts of backgrounds who love to cycle, to work and for a hobby.
SO, in that sense the thread has been informative for you, no?
Right I really must do some work now, otherwise the boss will start to notice, ruddy bikeradar :x
I'm hard core the Director is in the Office!!! I love to live dangerously!
Yes the thread has been informative and strangely therapeuticFood Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
Sewinman wrote:lost_in_thought wrote:Sewinman wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:Rockbuddy wrote:
SO, why'd ya start the ruddy thread then??? Or am I missing your point as usual :? I just feel so used...
I have my values but I am able to look an take on board the values of others, its how I learn and grow.
To be honest I started this thread because in my experience everyone else I've met who cycles is either Posh/middle/upper class or tyring to be. I then summised that cycling as a hobby is in and of itself (today's phrase) expensive and I began to wonder if the cost was restrictive to less afluent people.
Also at the pub on Monday LiT said she was right winged and then on Tuesday Biodino asked me if my phrase was "youth speak" I began to wonder if I would ever truly fit in and be myself or if there were any working class people like me who enjoyed cycling... :oops:
Flawed overly sensitve rational but a great thread.
Being right wing is uber un-posh - populated by provincial lower middle types and nouveaus! Grocers daughters etc :roll:
Another pointer that you don't have to be posh to succeed.
And I didn't say I was right wing, DDD, I said I was more right wing... as in more than, say, blondie. Which isn't hard. Bloody commies. I am surprised you did not pick me up on the lack of ' after the r though!
Poshest thing is to be very privileged and then join the Labour party e.g Tony Benn - or the 2nd Viscount Stansgate!
I gave up pedantry for lent.
And joining the Labour party is definitely not a 'posh' thing to do.
TBH, class is pretty irrelevant. It's how you behave that matters. If you're crass, impolite and unpleasant, you ought to and will be looked down on by those who aren't, irrespective of whether your name starts with 'lord'.
Relax, the class system doesn't matter.0 -
Yeah, but on balance, it would probably have been easier to have had an LLB. I mean, would your gf advise kids not to bother with uni, or did she manage despite not going?DonDaddyD wrote:How do you become a lawyer without going to Uni?
Dedication and a never say die attitude. Also working for a Law firm helps.
That's the problem - there are a LOT of people in the world, so if you try hard enough, you'll find an example that bucks the trend. You know - the BAH! that Alan Sugar didn't get any qualifications, and he did alright! attitude.
That's all very well, but it sort of ignores the vast number of other people who didn't. So, if you take 100 examples of bright, ambitious, but unqualified people in menial jobs in law firms and follow them for 10 years, how many of them become lawyers, and how many of them are still doing menial jobs? Alternatively, if you take 100 graduates of law, how many of them are lawyers? How many of the rest are employed, and as what?
I don't think a never say die attitude is enough, no matter what Sir Alan might say. Better to increase your odds a bit.0 -
Stuey01 wrote:
If you can be a lawyer without a degree then I'd like to know how that works.
iLEX? Also, depends how you categorise a "lawyer", you may get legal professionals (paralegals, licensed conveyancers) who don't have a degree but could conceivably class themselves as lawyers. Its just a label at the end of the day. A degree remains the easiest way, of course, but those that have taken other paths may be more dedicated as they've had to try that much harder.
On the issue of class generally, its all b********s isn't it?! I don't even like discussing it as it just perpetuates the old divisions.0 -
passout wrote:Cycle racing in the UK was traditionally linked with the working classes - cycle clubs in Yorkshire and Lancashire have clear working class roots for example. Interestingly many cycle clubs were linked t politics (almost always socialism) and sometimes religion (usually non conformist protestants). it's far to say that cycling, as a sport, was linked to the 'self improving' working classes...at least in the North.
Society today is different - everyone is moving to the centre, the muddle classes etc. So it is no suprise that cycling is largely a middle class pursuit - most people in the UK are middle class, depending on your definition. I guess it is more difficult for those living in areas of urban blight to get into the sport, or indeed many other sports. Despite this
n the North are still clearly working class - the tradition does continue.
+1 for Glasgow. Think this thread is way off topic now.
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lost_in_thought wrote:I gave up pedantry for lent.
And joining the Labour party is definitely not a 'posh' thing to do.
TBH, class is pretty irrelevant. It's how you behave that matters. If you're crass, impolite and unpleasant, you ought to and will be looked down on by those who aren't, irrespective of whether your name starts with 'lord'.
Relax, the class system doesn't matter.
Good party line there L_i_T - the classless society! 0 -
And I didn't say I was right wing, DDD, I said I was more right wing... as in more than, say, blondie. Which isn't hard. Bloody commies.
Hmm I seem to be getting more lefty the older I get (I was right of centre in my early 20's, now in my early 30's I am left of centre). With most people it is the other way round?0 -
OK Lawyers. My Girlfriend is a Lawyer, proper. High court, badge and everything.If you're crass, impolite and unpleasant, you ought to and will be looked down on by those who aren't, irrespective of whether your name starts with 'lord'.
Seems overly intolerant to be honest.
I can be, what is considered crass and vulgar by you. As can be my friends, people who I've grown up with and any one else for that matter. Having a different sense of humor or being able to discuss to a graphic level of detail doesn't give anyone the right to look down on anyone else.
Should I look down on you because you may appear overly prudish to me?
We are different with different social norms, neither being right or wrong IMO.Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
My mum`s got an LLB but she never went to uni.
Btw Tony Benn`s father`s title was a political appointment,he`s not that posh.Would John Prescott be posh if he became a lord?Smarter than the average bear.0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:
Should I look down on you because you may appear overly prudish to me?
DDD, you can look down on me for whatever reason you like.
Rest assured, I won't be losing any sleep over it.
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linoue wrote:And I didn't say I was right wing, DDD, I said I was more right wing... as in more than, say, blondie. Which isn't hard. Bloody commies.
Hmm I seem to be getting more lefty the older I get (I was right of centre in my early 20's, now in my early 30's I am left of centre). With most people it is the other way round?
You're not alone, I started as a lefty liberal in my late teens, and I'm definately an old school socialist now I've entered my 40's (think Nye Bevan, Michael Foot etc). By the time I retire I should be a full blown communist :shock: pain is temporary, the glory of beating your mates to the top of the hill lasts forever.....................
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lost_in_thought wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:
Should I look down on you because you may appear overly prudish to me?
DDD, you can look down on me for whatever reason you like.
Rest assured, I won't be losing any sleep over it.
I'm sure if I was in a position to look down at you, neither of us would be getting any sleep.
:shock:Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:lost_in_thought wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:
Should I look down on you because you may appear overly prudish to me?
DDD, you can look down on me for whatever reason you like.
Rest assured, I won't be losing any sleep over it.
I'm sure if I was in a position to look down at you, neither of us would be getting any sleep.
:shock:
No class there at all, DDD, no class.0 -
Only if he took up horse riding, real tennis AND croquet. And stoped bathing. My experience of the upper classes is that they tend not to be that hygenic.antfly wrote:My mum`s got an LLB but she never went to uni.
Btw Tony Benn`s father`s title was a political appointment,he`s not that posh.Would John Prescott be posh if he became a lord?0 -
lost_in_thought wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:lost_in_thought wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:
Should I look down on you because you may appear overly prudish to me?
DDD, you can look down on me for whatever reason you like.
Rest assured, I won't be losing any sleep over it.
I'm sure if I was in a position to look down at you, neither of us would be getting any sleep.
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No class there at all, DDD, no class.
Class? That's your World not mine.
I would say I have none and I don't want to have any. Seems that I would enjoy life a lot less trying to live up to some set of rules and social standards I have no basis for.
As long as I don't personally offend, or insult (unless intentiaonally) and I'm respectful to others while being true to myself I don't see a need to be or do anything more but be myself to be honest.
Besides. I thought it was funny! Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
It wasn`t that funny,more boastful.Not that it is any of my business.Smarter than the average bear.0
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antfly wrote:It wasn`t that funny,more boastful.Not that it is any of my business.
Boastful to you perhaps, funny to me. But then I haven't taken that post with any kind of seriousness what so ever.
This is another thing. I recently went to a Chris Rock gig where he told jokes about many many many graphic sexual acts (which were all mostly true) and they were all funny to be honest. People just let their hair down and laughed.
Just saying is all. Should Chris Rock a guy who has partly made a multi-million £/$ career from telling often vulgar jokes be frowned/looked down upon?
Is Chris Rock wrong or are some just po-faced and judgemental?
(This isn't an attack on anyone - just an observational question)Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
Absolutely - the man is obviously a cad and a bounder 0
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What I like about class is the fact that about half the people you meet place themselves in the wrong social groups. Working class people call themselves middle class quite often (my in laws for example) and many middle class people say that they are working class because of their values and beliefs. Of course class has nothing to do with values, beliefs or opinion. Rather it is about your job, level of education and slary/wage. People move between classes all the time (my parents for example) - which begs the question, is society (i.e. the traditional class structure) dead as M.Thatcher once said? Personally I think the class system still exists but is more flexible than it has ever been.
Another point - don't be ashamed of been middle class. The middle classes are the innovators in society. It was actually the middle classes who started the French
Revolution for example. Votes for women, another middle class idea. Been middle class isn't all about inviting the the vicar round of tea / scones!'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:antfly wrote:It wasn`t that funny,more boastful.Not that it is any of my business.
Boastful to you perhaps, funny to me. But then I haven't taken that post with any kind of seriousness what so ever.
This is another thing. I recently went to a Chris Rock gig where he told jokes about many many many graphic sexual acts (which were all mostly true) and they were all funny to be honest. People just let their hair down and laughed.
Just saying is all. Should Chris Rock a guy who has partly made a multi-million £/$ career from telling often vulgar jokes be frowned/looked down upon?
Is Chris Rock wrong or are some just po-faced and judgemental?
(This isn't an attack on anyone - just an observational question)
He is a colonial type - so exempt.0 -
Tits and bums.0
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Always Tyred wrote:Personality and bums.
Fixed.0 -
I dare say people know what they are going to get when they go and see him,just like people go and see Roy Chubby Brown.They are not everyone`s cup of tea.Anyway you`re not Chris Rock.DonDaddyD wrote:antfly wrote:It wasn`t that funny,more boastful.Not that it is any of my business.
Boastful to you perhaps, funny to me. But then I haven't taken that post with any kind of seriousness what so ever.
This is another thing. I recently went to a Chris Rock gig where he told jokes about many many many graphic sexual acts (which were all mostly true) and they were all funny to be honest. People just let their hair down and laughed.
Just saying is all. Should Chris Rock a guy who has partly made a multi-million £/$ career from telling often vulgar jokes be frowned/looked down upon?
Is Chris Rock wrong or are some just po-faced and judgemental?
(This isn't an attack on anyone - just an observational question)Smarter than the average bear.0 -
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Sewinman wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:antfly wrote:It wasn`t that funny,more boastful.Not that it is any of my business.
Boastful to you perhaps, funny to me. But then I haven't taken that post with any kind of seriousness what so ever.
This is another thing. I recently went to a Chris Rock gig where he told jokes about many many many graphic sexual acts (which were all mostly true) and they were all funny to be honest. People just let their hair down and laughed.
Just saying is all. Should Chris Rock a guy who has partly made a multi-million £/$ career from telling often vulgar jokes be frowned/looked down upon?
Is Chris Rock wrong or are some just po-faced and judgemental?
(This isn't an attack on anyone - just an observational question)
He is a colonial type - so exempt.
Can I be considered a colonial type, therefore making me exempt and allowing me to go on one almighty TMI posting rampage it would make my comment "I had sex today" (which I actually didn't on that day) look like a passage from the bible.
While we are on the subject, how you getting on with that girl?Food Chain number = 4
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game0 -
DonDaddyD wrote:Sewinman wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:antfly wrote:It wasn`t that funny,more boastful.Not that it is any of my business.
Boastful to you perhaps, funny to me. But then I haven't taken that post with any kind of seriousness what so ever.
This is another thing. I recently went to a Chris Rock gig where he told jokes about many many many graphic sexual acts (which were all mostly true) and they were all funny to be honest. People just let their hair down and laughed.
Just saying is all. Should Chris Rock a guy who has partly made a multi-million £/$ career from telling often vulgar jokes be frowned/looked down upon?
Is Chris Rock wrong or are some just po-faced and judgemental?
(This isn't an attack on anyone - just an observational question)
He is a colonial type - so exempt.
Can I be considered a colonial type, therefore making me exempt and allowing me to go on one almighty TMI posting rampage it would make my comment "I had sex today" (which I actually didn't on that day) look like a passage from the bible.
While we are on the subject, how you getting on with that girl?
Afraid not old boy - you have been civilized!
That fizzled out.0 -
Woah - stumble in here and it's like walking to a saloon brawl in Western. :shock:
Ok, so while you all regroup and square up fro round 9, here's something for the intermission.
WITHOUT USING THE INTERWEB who knows
(a) what the usual story is for the origin of the word "posh"
(b) whether it is true or false.
15 minutes before the sound of bottles being thrown at bars, chairs being smashed over people, and people toppling off balconies after having been hit with big roundhouse punches resumes, please.0 -
Port out starboard home.It`s false.I claim my prize.Smarter than the average bear.0
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DonDaddyD wrote:lost_in_thought wrote:DonDaddyD wrote:
Should I look down on you because you may appear overly prudish to me?
DDD, you can look down on me for whatever reason you like.
Rest assured, I won't be losing any sleep over it.
I'm sure if I was in a position to look down at you, neither of us would be getting any sleep.
:shock: Way to bring the topic right back on track DDD!
Just realized my e-mail notifications had been missed for this thread and I had 2 pages to read over........my head is a little sore now!
RE: Uni - Whilst I understand this can help and is certainly beneficial in being able to demonstrate to someone you have the skills I don't think it's the be all and end all.
Take me and my brother. He did (and is still doing) the whole uni thing. He studied at Brighton and is now doing research work in Bristol. I'm honestly expecting him to come away with a Noble Prize soon :-) He appears to be enjoying himself and has found something to do that he really enjoys.
I on the other hand dropped out of my second year at college owing to getting my then GF pregnant..........after that I had a few jobs (and kids!), got married and eventually ending up where I am at the moment working in the IT industry. Despite not having any formal higher education I have still gained several professional qualifications in the IT field and I'm currently working towards a few more. I had to grow up very quickly once I became a father and I can hand on heart say it's made me the person I am today.
I guess what I'm trying to say, as has been said before, education or lack there or isn't a barrier to what you can achieve.........0 -
Greg66 wrote:Woah - stumble in here and it's like walking to a saloon brawl in Western. :shock:
Ok, so while you all regroup and square up fro round 9, here's something for the intermission.
WITHOUT USING THE INTERWEB who knows
(a) what the usual story is for the origin of the word "posh"
(b) whether it is true or false.
15 minutes before the sound of bottles being thrown at bars, chairs being smashed over people, and people toppling off balconies after having been hit with big roundhouse punches resumes, please.
It comes, supposedly, from cruise travel - port out, starboard home.
It fell out of favour after the Titanic went down, as it was considered in poor taste to refer to the "sh" part, and equally poor taste to refer to the upper classes as "poo".
Some or all of the foregoing may be false.0
