Ethnicity and the Cycling

tailwindhome

Sewinman wrote:

Greg66 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

ETA

Simples being an common meerkat expression not a name

And yet not inappropriate in that list... How curious.

Chapeau

PBo

DonDaddyD wrote:

I like:

JaVonDre
DeVante (accent on the E)
Beyonce
Tarniqua
Sharniqua
LeQuisha
LeBriant
Tarnisha

and

Tony

To be honest if I was going to go that way with names i'd give the kids African names, I enquired about this with Ms DDD, no mileage on that one...

:roll:
everyone knows that quiche is girl's food so surely

LaQuisha

jonginge

PBo wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I like:

JaVonDre
DeVante (accent on the E)
Beyonce
Tarniqua
Sharniqua
LeQuisha
LeBriant
Tarnisha

and

Tony

To be honest if I was going to go that way with names i'd give the kids African names, I enquired about this with Ms DDD, no mileage on that one...

:roll:
everyone knows that quiche is girl's food so surely

La[/]Quisha

So tempting to put an 'i' in the middle of DeVante...

greg66_tri_v2.0

JonGinge wrote:

PBo wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I like:

JaVonDre
DeVante (accent on the E)
Beyonce
Tarniqua
Sharniqua
LeQuisha
LeBriant
Tarnisha

and

Tony

To be honest if I was going to go that way with names i'd give the kids African names, I enquired about this with Ms DDD, no mileage on that one...

:roll:
everyone knows that quiche is girl's food so surely

La[/]Quisha

So tempting to put an 'i' in the middle of DeVante...

Aye. And I'm pretty sure that Tarnisha is Mr. & Mrs. Reputation's girl.

deptfordmarmoset

Greg66 wrote:

JonGinge wrote:

PBo wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I like:

JaVonDre
DeVante (accent on the E)
Beyonce
Tarniqua
Sharniqua
LeQuisha
LeBriant
Tarnisha

and

Tony

To be honest if I was going to go that way with names i'd give the kids African names, I enquired about this with Ms DDD, no mileage on that one...

:roll:
everyone knows that quiche is girl's food so surely

La[/]Quisha

So tempting to put an 'i' in the middle of DeVante...

Aye. And I'm pretty sure that Tarnisha is Mr. & Mrs. Reputation's girl.

HebdenBiker

On the subject of "black-sounding names", there is a good chapter in "Freakonomics" about a study in America which followed the life achievements of college graduates with "black sounding names" ("DeShawn" was the no. 1) as opposed to "white sounding names". The findings were complex but came to the depressing but predictable conclusion that the sample of graduates with "black sounding names" did less well economically than the "white-sounding" kids.

The case that prompted the research was a media scandal in America a few years ago after a black couple called their baby girl "Sh1thead" )pronounced Sh1teed.

HebdenBiker

DDD, if you are who I think you are then you are a triathlete. I've seen a few black lads racing tris (one of them may have been you!) but they are still a pretty rare sight and the same debate about ethnicity in sport rages on the tri scene too.

I live in a county where a good proportiion of the population are Pakistani heritage. I very rarely see them at cycling or multisport events. Most of the sporty Asian people I know are too busy down the gym or the cricket nets. Cultural thing innit.

As for the lack of black cyclists in London, I expect it is in part a class thing as well as a race thing. Let's face it - cycling is a bit "middle clarse" isn't it? In my experience of living in South London, "middle class" usually equals "white".

EKE_38BPM

The spelling of some Irish names bear no relation to the way they are pronounced. I knew a girl named Laoise, pronounced Leesha.

Bassjunkieuk

No sooner have I started reading this thread I find a gentlemen who certainly looked Pakistani/Indian on a road bike on my way home :-) Probably one of only a handful that I've encountered in roughly the same area (Streatham)

wgwarburton

EKE_38BPM wrote:

The spelling of some Irish names bear no relation to the way they are pronounced. I knew a girl named Laoise, pronounced Leesha.

May I introduce Siobhan Cholmondeley-Marjoribanks?

Cheers,
W.

EKE_38BPM

Nice one Buns, I've wanted to meet her for ages.

In all seriousness, how the hell did the spellings for those Irish names come about? I know English as a language makes up the rules as it goes along, but those names take things to a whole new level.

rjsterry

The Gaelic alphabet isn't the same as the English alphabet, nor is the pronunciation of the letters. The Welsh alphabet is similarly different IYSWIM. They both use Latin characters, but not in the same way as English, hence the apparently odd spelling.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/irish.htm

tailwindhome

As a general rule a H after a consonant either makes a V sound or both the consonant and H become silent.

Spelling of Irish names is further complicated by the fact the the lanuguage was supressed by the English and only survives as 'living' languages in some areas of Ireland (Gaeltachts). This leads to derivations in pronounciations and spellings.

Blaithnaid = Blah naid
Eoghan = O an
Domhnall = Doe nall
Caoimhe = Key va
Naimh = Kneev
Siobhan = sh vaughan

the phoenetics aren't great but at least you're all a *bit* less ignorant than before

tailwindhome

Further to my earlier comments re cultural signifigance of names in Northern Ireland.

My wife and I are from different sides of the traditional divide, when naming our kids we deliberately picked what would be 'neutral' names.

EKE_38BPM

Thanks for the info.

The English suppressing the language of the people they oppress? Who'd have thunk it?

lost_in_thought

TailWindHome wrote:

As a general rule a H after a consonant either makes a V sound or both the consonant and H become silent.

Spelling of Irish names is further complicated by the fact the the lanuguage was supressed by the English and only survives as 'living' languages in some areas of Ireland (Gaeltachts). This leads to derivations in pronounciations and spellings.

Blaithnaid = Blah naid
Eoghan = O an
Domhnall = Doe nall
Caoimhe = Key va
Naimh = Kneev
Siobhan = sh vaughan

the phoenetics aren't great but at least you're all a *bit* less ignorant than before

My housemate, who's from Cork, says 'Caoimhe' as 'Kweever'. It's funny.

greg66_tri_v2.0

TailWindHome wrote:

As a general rule a H after a consonant either makes a V sound or both the consonant and H become silent.

Spelling of Irish names is further complicated by the fact the the lanuguage was supressed by the English and only survives as 'living' languages in some areas of Ireland (Gaeltachts). This leads to derivations in pronounciations and spellings.

Blaithnaid = Blah naid
Eoghan = O an
Domhnall = Doe nall
Caoimhe = Key va
Naimh = Kneev
Siobhan = sh vaughan

the phoenetics aren't great but at least you're all a *bit* less ignorant than before

I should have guessed it was our fault...

EKE_38BPM

Punt and Dennis did a great sketch ages ago about how most of the conflicts around the world are the fault of the English (or British, I can't remember now) and how they legged it before clearing up the mess. I did a search for it but can't find it.

The Middle East, large chunks of Africa etc.

I'm going to have to search harder.

RangerKris

My Nan was Indian My Dad was born there also, i was born here that makes me British. But i do hold the Sun tan and will be very dark in colour when in Turkey at the end of the month. Hahahahahah i love my skin colouring. But i do still have white bits :shock:

Agent57

TailWindHome wrote:

Naimh = Kneev

I'm intrigued as to why you put a silent "k" in the phonetic spelling. "neev" makes more sense to me.

tailwindhome

Agent57 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Naimh = Kneev

I'm intrigued as to why you put a silent "k" in the phonetic spelling. "neev" makes more sense to me.

Fair comment.

Funny foreign languages with their strange silly spellings, eh?

Ever tried spelling names over the phone using words instead of letters* (Alpha Zulu etc)?

I panic when I get to a B,C,F or N




*I'm sure there is a name for this alphabet

lost_in_thought

TailWindHome wrote:

Agent57 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Naimh = Kneev

I'm intrigued as to why you put a silent "k" in the phonetic spelling. "neev" makes more sense to me.

Fair comment.

Funny foreign languages with their strange silly spellings, eh?

Ever tried spelling names over the phone using words instead of letters* (Alpha Zulu etc)?

I panic when I get to a B,C,F or N

*I'm sure there is a name for this alphabet

It's the ICAO alphabet (ick-AYY-oh), or the international radiotelephony spelling alphabet. I'm fine with it, years of practice don'tcha know. I find the american version confusing and hilarious... it's like they don't understand why we went for our ones. They're specifically chosen so that no two sound alike.

Agent57

TailWindHome wrote:

Ever tried spelling names over the phone using words instead of letters* (Alpha Zulu etc)?

I panic when I get to a B,C,F or N

I don't think I ever have. I've had people on the other end of the phone ask "M for mother?", and thought "you mean Mike", but said yes anyway.

TailWindHome wrote:

*I'm sure there is a name for this alphabet

The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) or NATO phonetic alphabet, normally (although it's not phonetic). I used to call it "the CB alphabet."

MonkeyMonster

lost_in_thought wrote:

It's the ICAO alphabet (ick-AYY-oh), or the international radiotelephony spelling alphabet. I'm fine with it, years of practice don'tcha know. I find the american version confusing and hilarious... it's like they don't understand why we went for our ones. They're specifically chosen so that no two sound alike.

I'm usually fine with these until I forget then its M for Monkey, T for Tissue or B for Bike and all other random words my brain decides to unload on the poor unsuspecting person I'm talking to

Agent57

lost_in_thought wrote:

I find the american version confusing and hilarious... it's like they don't understand why we went for our ones. They're specifically chosen so that no two sound alike.

I like the old RAF one. Ace, Beer, Charlie, Don, Edward, Freddie, George, Harry -- just a load of chaps' names, what they should aspire to be (ace) and things they like (beer).

Also, both the old Navy and RAF ones had Monkey instead of Mike; Monkey is clearly superior!

MonkeyMonster

Agent57 wrote:

Monkey is clearly superior!

Cheques in the post lad, nice work and no one noticed

Agent57

Heheh, we monkeys must stick together. My forum handles on other fora include Monkey!, Irrepressible Stone Monkey and IrrepressibleMonkey. And I was born in the year of the monkey.

wgwarburton

lost_in_thought wrote:

It's the ICAO alphabet (ick-AYY-oh), or the international radiotelephony spelling alphabet. I'm fine with it, years of practice don'tcha know. I find the american version confusing and hilarious... it's like they don't understand why we went for our ones. They're specifically chosen so that no two sound alike.

Is there really an American version? I thought it was genuinely international, and being used by NATO, would certainly be in US military usage...
I've always known it as the international phonetic alphabet.

Cheers,
W.

lost_in_thought

WGWarburton wrote:

lost_in_thought wrote:

It's the ICAO alphabet (ick-AYY-oh), or the international radiotelephony spelling alphabet. I'm fine with it, years of practice don'tcha know. I find the american version confusing and hilarious... it's like they don't understand why we went for our ones. They're specifically chosen so that no two sound alike.

Is there really an American version? I thought it was genuinely international, and being used by NATO, would certainly be in US military usage...
I've always known it as the international phonetic alphabet.

Cheers,
W.

Oh for the military, yes, I think the septic police have a different one. Or so I'm led to believe by years of television shows.

Note to self: do not necessarily trust CSI.

MonkeyMonster

lost_in_thought wrote:

Note to self: do not necessarily trust CSI.

We had enough trouble when the "truth" about Sean Combs came out earlier, don't start with more windups...