The Smoking Ban 01/07/07

yenrodcp · May 2007

My Question: what happens if people smoke outside yet a worky's work area IS outside [?]

[;)] 'tuono nel mio cuore...[:)]

The Bosscp · May 2007

If I've interpreted it right, apparently it's still illegal to smoke there if it's the work area for two or more people. Although I could be wrong.

More worryingly, the BBC website lists the unintended consequences as:
* Increased Climate change - since pubs will use lots of umbrella heaters in beer gardens to keep smokers warm
* Passive smoking to children, since more people will smoke at home
* People who didn't otherwise smoke will take it up, as they will go outside with their mates who smoke rather than be left in the pub on their own (I think this is a bit far fetched!)

linfordlunchbox · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

If I've interpreted it right, apparently it's still illegal to smoke there if it's the work area for two or more people. Although I could be wrong.

More worryingly, the BBC website lists the unintended consequences as:
* Increased Climate change - since pubs will use lots of umbrella heaters in beer gardens to keep smokers warm
* Passive smoking to children, since more people will smoke at home
* People who didn't otherwise smoke will take it up, as they will go outside with their mates who smoke rather than be left in the pub on their own (I think this is a bit far fetched!)

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I think that climate change should be the last thing on the conscience of smokers !

Filthy habit [xx(]

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"

Archcp · May 2007

Isn't it to do with being in an enclosed space, so outside doesn't count... Dunno though, as a non smoker, I haven't paid too much attention..

That last thing, about people taking up smoking is pretty daft. Why are they more likely to take it up outside than inside. Or does it mean there are people so thick, they think they can only go outside if they smoke?

If I had a baby elephant, it could help me clean the car. If I had a car.

Gary Askwith · May 2007

Those 'unintended consequences' are a direct result of the chuffing zombies 'intended decision' to continue

Economic Growth; as dead as a Yangtze River dolphin....

The Bosscp · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Arch

Isn't it to do with being in an enclosed space, so outside doesn't count... Dunno though, as a non smoker, I haven't paid too much attention..

That last thing, about people taking up smoking is pretty daft. Why are they more likely to take it up outside than inside. Or does it mean there are people so thick, they think they can only go outside if they smoke?
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Exactly... that's why it's so far-fetched! but supposedly the ethos of it is on the fact that it's "the fag break", and because everyone's gone outside specifically to have a fag and they're all lighting up at the same time, the guy who goes out just to have a chat with them feels a bit left out because he's not partaking in what all the others are enjoying - whereas if they can smoke inside then they can smoke when they want so aren't going to all be lighting up at the same time, and he can keep himself busy by drinking his drink in there anyway.

Unknown · May 2007

How well has the ban worked in Scotland and Wales ? Haven't heard much about it .

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/roads4bikes/

Canrider · May 2007

Smokers appear to go outside, nonsmokers appear to stay inside. Smokers outside tend to cluster right around the door, so anyone entering has to climb over smokers.
And I don't reek (of smoke) after a night in the pub. [:D]

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Pingucp · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Squaggles

How well has the ban worked in Scotland and Wales ? Haven't heard much about it .

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/roads4bikes/
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It's fantastic [8D]

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Saddle bum · May 2007

There will be the predictable martyrs.

Molon Labe.

thereisnospooncp · May 2007

But the BBC article states some bloke actually started smoking due to the ban as he was upset about being left in the pub whilst his mates went outside. What a big girls blouse.

http://lifeonthetube.blogspot.com/

Melvil · May 2007

The BBC article is, excuse me, a load of shyte. Anyone who takes up smoking because they feel like they're missing out when they go outside with their mates is probably the same kind of person that walks across the road in front of a bus because they didn't notice it. i.e. a moron.

It's worked so far so fine in Scotland - and really, why should anyone really mind the two or three seconds braving the cigarette smoke by the entrance of the pub? The next two or three hours in the damn pub will be much more pleasant.

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Unknown · May 2007

It hasn't really bothered anyone down here. Smokers pop outside for a puff if they go to a restaurant or a pub. It doesn't bother me as I don't even smoke in my own house, having a handily situated rear porch which is my smokehole.

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Saddle bum · May 2007

The private club I frequent has had a total ban since last September. They recently issued a "snottogram" expressing their displeasure that people had been seen smoking and also that one of the cisterns in the mens' loos had been blocked up with ciggy stubs after morons had had a crafty smoke in one of the traps and dropped them in.

Pathetic, ennit?

Molon Labe.

Bonus · May 2007

Some bloke started smoking "cos his friends smoked"???? LOL Was he 12 or something?

Biffcp · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Squaggles

How well has the ban worked in Scotland and Wales ? Haven't heard much about it .<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Rather well, though those nice smokers, now that their Divine Right to poison everybody in the pub has been taken away, have decided that the pavement outside is the correct place to fling their dog-ends. Someone has also told them that they get extra points if they leave them burning.

Rarer than a one-liner by Howard Peel

Mister Paul · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by thereisnospoon

But the BBC article states some bloke actually started smoking due to the ban as he was upset about being left in the pub whilst his mates went outside. What a big girls blouse.

http://lifeonthetube.blogspot.com/
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I'm sure if they really looked hard enough they'll find a bloke who has bought a trained badger with the money he's saved from not smoking, which mows his lawns on alternate Tuesdays.

Best to take not notice of isolated examples.

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Joe Sacco · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mister Paul

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by thereisnospoon

But the BBC article states some bloke actually started smoking due to the ban as he was upset about being left in the pub whilst his mates went outside. What a big girls blouse.

http://lifeonthetube.blogspot.com/
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I'm sure if they really looked hard enough they'll find a bloke who has bought a trained badger with the money he's saved from not smoking, which mows his lawns on alternate Tuesdays.

Best to take not notice of isolated examples.

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I know of at least 3 people with badger mowers so not as isolated as you may think. Not sure they always mow on a Tuesday though, sure I saw one last Wednesday, so you may be right.

Tourist Tony · May 2007

I don't know about mown badgers but I have come across some shaved beav.....I'll get my coat.

If I had a stalker, I would hug it and kiss it and call it George...or Dick

Rhythm Thief · May 2007

The smoking ban seems to be working well in Wales. Even speaking as a (relatively recent) smoker, I find the pub a more pleasant place to be in. If I want a fag, I go outside for it, same as I do at home. The net result is I smoke less.
Ask me how I cope with it when I'm not allowed to smoke in the cab of my truck after July 1st and you might get a different response.[}:)]

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Ashtrayhead · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by linfordlunchbox

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by The Boss

If I've interpreted it right, apparently it's still illegal to smoke there if it's the work area for two or more people. Although I could be wrong.

More worryingly, the BBC website lists the unintended consequences as:
* Increased Climate change - since pubs will use lots of umbrella heaters in beer gardens to keep smokers warm
* Passive smoking to children, since more people will smoke at home
* People who didn't otherwise smoke will take it up, as they will go outside with their mates who smoke rather than be left in the pub on their own (I think this is a bit far fetched!)

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I think that climate change should be the last thing on the conscience of smokers !
Filthy habit [xx(]

"I'd clean my car with a baby elephant - if I had a baby elephant !"
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I might get a bit concerned about a non-smoker feeling slightly chilly.

'Don't Walk, Don't Smoke, Don't Drink', Don't Think'

giant_man · May 2007

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!!! 1st July can't come soon enough. About time this disgusting habit was banned.

SIZE IS EVERYTHING! or at least that's what my LBS tells me.

Absinthe Minded · May 2007

Let 'em smoke, I say.
Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

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thedoctor · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Absinthe Minded

Let 'em smoke, I say.
Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

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See My route to work!
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But we don't do things that will kill them!

OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...

Melvil · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TheDoctor

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Absinthe Minded

Let 'em smoke, I say.
Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

<hr noshade size="1">Ja sam napisao ovo ovde samo zbog toga da izgledam pametan...

See My route to work!
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But we don't do things that will kill them!

OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
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Playing Devil's Advocate, surely the smoking ban will increase the stress levels of smokers and possible have a negative effect on their health?

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Mister Paul · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Melvil

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TheDoctor

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Absinthe Minded

Let 'em smoke, I say.
Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

<hr noshade size="1">Ja sam napisao ovo ovde samo zbog toga da izgledam pametan...

See My route to work!
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But we don't do things that will kill them!

OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
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Playing Devil's Advocate, surely the smoking ban will increase the stress levels of smokers and possible have a negative effect on their health?

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See Baby Elephants and more at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47331519@N00/
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Smoking is their choice. A non-smoker being enveloped in fumes in a restaurant by a smoker isn't.

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Absinthe Minded · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TheDoctor

But we don't do things that will kill them!

OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That only applies to smokers. Still, don't worry - we can blame overweight people for putting a strain on the NHS, or making the country less efficient.

There's always a way to target certain groups if you really want to.

Something's going to kill you one day, so why not other people's smoke?

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thedoctor · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Absinthe Minded

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TheDoctor

But we don't do things that will kill them!

OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">That only applies to smokers. Still, don't worry - we can blame overweight people for putting a strain on the NHS, or making the country less efficient.

There's always a way to target certain groups if you really want to.

Something's going to kill you one day, so why not other people's smoke?

<hr noshade size="1">Ja sam napisao ovo ovde samo zbog toga da izgledam pametan...

See My route to work!
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OK, I'll bite.

I hate leaving a pub with sore eyes, a sore throaht, smelly clothes and smelly hair. Too feckin' right I'm going to target smokers, because they are the selfish shits blethering on about their rights while trampling all over mine. So sod them. If they want to kill themselves then good riddance.[:(!]
And who's mentioned overweight people other than you? I'd object if they tried to forcefeed me, but that's about it.

OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...

Joe Sacco · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Melvil

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TheDoctor

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Absinthe Minded

Let 'em smoke, I say.
Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

<hr noshade size="1">Ja sam napisao ovo ovde samo zbog toga da izgledam pametan...

See My route to work!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

But we don't do things that will kill them!

OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Playing Devil's Advocate, surely the smoking ban will increase the stress levels of smokers and possible have a negative effect on their health?

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See Baby Elephants and more at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47331519@N00/
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The opposite actually, as smoking increases stress levels.

Unknown · May 2007

I'm just thinking how much money I'll be saving when I'm banged up for refusing to comply and being kept by the state. Just got to check out whether or not smoking will be banned in the shovel. If it is, boy will there be a lot of good stuff available!!

d.j.
"Like a true nature's child,
We were born,
Born to drink mild"

Unknown · May 2007

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TheDoctor

I hate leaving a pub with sore eyes, a sore throaht, smelly clothes and smelly hair. Too feckin' right I'm going to target smokers, because they are the selfish shits blethering on about their rights while trampling all over mine. So sod them. If they want to kill themselves then good riddance.[:(!]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I don't really understand this argument, why is anyone forced into going into a pub/restaurant where there are smokers? I could understand rights being abused if they were forced into it but it's a personal choice to go into these places.

If anyones rights are being trampled over it's the landlords decisions on how he/she operates their pub. the only possible argument I can see is the bar-staff being forced into working in a smoking environment.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by TheDoctor
And who's mentioned overweight people other than you? I'd object if they tried to forcefeed me, but that's about it.
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I doubt smokers try to force their smoke onto you, if you choose to visit pubs/resturants where there are smokers, that's a choice, you're not being forced into it. Unless you work in one of these places...

The Smoking Ban 01/07/07

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