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The Smoking Ban 01/07/07

yenrodcpyenrodcp Posts: 9,991
edited June 2007 in Campaign
My Question: what happens if people smoke outside yet a worky's work area IS outside [?]

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  • The BosscpThe Bosscp Posts: 647
    If I've interpreted it right, apparently it's still illegal to smoke there if it's the work area for two or more people. Although I could be wrong.

    More worryingly, the BBC website lists the unintended consequences as:
    * Increased Climate change - since pubs will use lots of umbrella heaters in beer gardens to keep smokers warm
    * Passive smoking to children, since more people will smoke at home
    * People who didn't otherwise smoke will take it up, as they will go outside with their mates who smoke rather than be left in the pub on their own (I think this is a bit far fetched!)
  • linfordlunchboxlinfordlunchbox Posts: 4,834
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by The Boss</i>

    If I've interpreted it right, apparently it's still illegal to smoke there if it's the work area for two or more people. Although I could be wrong.

    More worryingly, the BBC website lists the unintended consequences as:
    * Increased Climate change - since pubs will use lots of umbrella heaters in beer gardens to keep smokers warm
    * Passive smoking to children, since more people will smoke at home
    * People who didn't otherwise smoke will take it up, as they will go outside with their mates who smoke rather than be left in the pub on their own (I think this is a bit far fetched!)

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    I think that climate change should be the last thing on the conscience of smokers !

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  • ArchcpArchcp Posts: 8,987
    Isn't it to do with being in an enclosed space, so outside doesn't count... Dunno though, as a non smoker, I haven't paid too much attention..

    That last thing, about people taking up smoking is pretty daft. Why are they more likely to take it up outside than inside. Or does it mean there are people so thick, they think they can only go outside if they smoke?

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  • Gary AskwithGary Askwith Posts: 1,835
    Those 'unintended consequences' are a direct result of the chuffing zombies 'intended decision' to continue

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  • The BosscpThe Bosscp Posts: 647
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Arch</i>

    Isn't it to do with being in an enclosed space, so outside doesn't count... Dunno though, as a non smoker, I haven't paid too much attention..

    That last thing, about people taking up smoking is pretty daft. <b>Why are they more likely to take it up outside than inside</b>. Or does it mean there are people so thick, they think they can only go outside if they smoke?
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    Exactly... that's why it's so far-fetched! but supposedly the ethos of it is on the fact that it's "the censored break", and because everyone's gone outside specifically to have a censored and they're all lighting up at the same time, the guy who goes out just to have a chat with them feels a bit left out because he's not partaking in what all the others are enjoying - whereas if they can smoke inside then they can smoke when they want so aren't going to all be lighting up at the same time, and he can keep himself busy by drinking his drink in there anyway.
  • How well has the ban worked in Scotland and Wales ? Haven't heard much about it .

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  • CanriderCanrider Posts: 2,253
    Smokers appear to go outside, nonsmokers appear to stay inside. Smokers outside tend to cluster right around the door, so anyone entering has to climb over smokers.
    And I don't reek (of smoke) after a night in the pub. [:D]

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  • PingucpPingucp Posts: 4,991
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Squaggles</i>

    How well has the ban worked in Scotland and Wales ? Haven't heard much about it .

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  • Saddle bumSaddle bum Posts: 2,044
    There will be the predictable martyrs.


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  • But the BBC article states some bloke actually started smoking due to the ban as he was upset about being left in the pub whilst his mates went outside. What a big girls blouse.

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  • MelvilMelvil Posts: 2,219
    The BBC article is, excuse me, a load of shyte. Anyone who takes up smoking because they feel like they're missing out when they go outside with their mates is probably the same kind of person that walks across the road in front of a bus because they didn't notice it. i.e. a moron.

    It's worked so far so fine in Scotland - and really, why should anyone really mind the two or three seconds braving the cigarette smoke by the entrance of the pub? The next two or three hours <i> in </i> the damn pub will be much more pleasant.

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  • It hasn't really bothered anyone down here. Smokers pop outside for a puff if they go to a restaurant or a pub. It doesn't bother me as I don't even smoke in my own house, having a handily situated rear porch which is my smokehole.

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  • Saddle bumSaddle bum Posts: 2,044
    The private club I frequent has had a total ban since last September. They recently issued a "snottogram" expressing their displeasure that people had been seen smoking and also that one of the cisterns in the mens' loos had been blocked up with ciggy stubs after morons had had a crafty smoke in one of the traps and dropped them in.

    Pathetic, ennit?


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  • BonusBonus Posts: 316
    Some bloke started smoking "cos his friends smoked"???? LOL Was he 12 or something?
  • BiffcpBiffcp Posts: 813
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Squaggles</i>

    How well has the ban worked in Scotland and Wales ? Haven't heard much about it .<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    Rather well, though those nice smokers, now that their Divine Right to poison everybody in the pub has been taken away, have decided that the pavement outside is the correct place to fling their dog-ends. Someone has also told them that they get extra points if they leave them burning.


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  • Mister PaulMister Paul Posts: 719
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by thereisnospoon</i>

    But the BBC article states some bloke actually started smoking due to the ban as he was upset about being left in the pub whilst his mates went outside. What a big girls blouse.

    http://lifeonthetube.blogspot.com/
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    I'm sure if they really looked hard enough they'll find a bloke who has bought a trained badger with the money he's saved from not smoking, which mows his lawns on alternate Tuesdays.

    Best to take not notice of isolated examples.

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  • Joe SaccoJoe Sacco Posts: 4,907
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mister Paul</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by thereisnospoon</i>

    But the BBC article states some bloke actually started smoking due to the ban as he was upset about being left in the pub whilst his mates went outside. What a big girls blouse.

    http://lifeonthetube.blogspot.com/
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    I'm sure if they really looked hard enough they'll find a bloke who has bought a trained badger with the money he's saved from not smoking, which mows his lawns on alternate Tuesdays.

    Best to take not notice of isolated examples.

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    I know of at least 3 people with badger mowers so not as isolated as you may think. Not sure they always mow on a Tuesday though, sure I saw one last Wednesday, so you may be right.
  • Tourist TonyTourist Tony Posts: 8,628
    I don't know about mown badgers but I have come across some shaved beav.....I'll get my coat.

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  • Rhythm ThiefRhythm Thief Posts: 2,787
    The smoking ban seems to be working well in Wales. Even speaking as a (relatively recent) smoker, I find the pub a more pleasant place to be in. If I want a censored , I go outside for it, same as I do at home. The net result is I smoke less.
    Ask me how I cope with it when I'm not allowed to smoke in the cab of my truck after July 1st and you might get a different response.[}:)]

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  • AshtrayheadAshtrayhead Posts: 963
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by linfordlunchbox</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by The Boss</i>

    If I've interpreted it right, apparently it's still illegal to smoke there if it's the work area for two or more people. Although I could be wrong.

    More worryingly, the BBC website lists the unintended consequences as:
    * Increased Climate change - since pubs will use lots of umbrella heaters in beer gardens to keep smokers warm
    * Passive smoking to children, since more people will smoke at home
    * People who didn't otherwise smoke will take it up, as they will go outside with their mates who smoke rather than be left in the pub on their own (I think this is a bit far fetched!)

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    <b>I think that climate change should be the last thing on the conscience of smokers !</b>
    Filthy habit [xx(]


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    I might get a bit concerned about a non-smoker feeling slightly chilly.


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  • giant_mangiant_man Posts: 6,890
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!!! 1st July can't come soon enough. About time this disgusting habit was banned.


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  • Absinthe MindedAbsinthe Minded Posts: 1,351
    Let 'em smoke, I say.
    Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

    Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

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  • thedoctorthedoctor Posts: 529
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Absinthe Minded</i>

    Let 'em smoke, I say.
    Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

    Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

    <hr noshade size="1"><font size="2"><b><font color="purple">Ja sam napisao ovo ovde samo zbog toga da izgledam pametan...</font id="purple"></b></font id="size2">


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    But we don't do things that will kill them!

    OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
  • MelvilMelvil Posts: 2,219
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Absinthe Minded</i>

    Let 'em smoke, I say.
    Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

    Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

    <hr noshade size="1"><font size="2"><b><font color="purple">Ja sam napisao ovo ovde samo zbog toga da izgledam pametan...</font id="purple"></b></font id="size2">

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    But we don't do things that will kill them!

    OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
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    Playing Devil's Advocate, surely the smoking ban will increase the stress levels of smokers and possible have a negative effect on their health?

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  • Mister PaulMister Paul Posts: 719
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Melvil</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Absinthe Minded</i>

    Let 'em smoke, I say.
    Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

    Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

    <hr noshade size="1"><font size="2"><b><font color="purple">Ja sam napisao ovo ovde samo zbog toga da izgledam pametan...</font id="purple"></b></font id="size2">

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    But we don't do things that will kill them!

    OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
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    Playing Devil's Advocate, surely the smoking ban will increase the stress levels of smokers and possible have a negative effect on their health?

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  • Absinthe MindedAbsinthe Minded Posts: 1,351
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor</i>



    But we don't do things that will kill them!

    OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That only applies to smokers. Still, don't worry - we can blame overweight people for putting a strain on the NHS, or making the country less efficient.

    There's always a way to target certain groups if you really want to.

    Something's going to kill you one day, so why not other people's smoke?

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  • thedoctorthedoctor Posts: 529
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Absinthe Minded</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor</i>



    But we don't do things that will kill them!

    OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
    <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That only applies to smokers. Still, don't worry - we can blame overweight people for putting a strain on the NHS, or making the country less efficient.

    There's always a way to target certain groups if you really want to.

    Something's going to kill you one day, so why not other people's smoke?

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    OK, I'll bite.

    I hate leaving a pub with sore eyes, a sore throaht, smelly clothes and smelly hair. Too feckin' right I'm going to target smokers, because they are the selfish sh<b></b>its blethering on about their rights while trampling all over mine. So sod them. If they want to kill themselves then good riddance.[:(!]
    And who's mentioned overweight people other than you? I'd object if they tried to forcefeed me, but that's about it.

    OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
  • Joe SaccoJoe Sacco Posts: 4,907
    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Melvil</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor</i>

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Absinthe Minded</i>

    Let 'em smoke, I say.
    Same with overweight people, it's up to them if they want to be that way.

    Live and let live - I'm sure we do things that annoy them!

    <hr noshade size="1"><font size="2"><b><font color="purple">Ja sam napisao ovo ovde samo zbog toga da izgledam pametan...</font id="purple"></b></font id="size2">

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    But we don't do things that will kill them!

    OK - I'll just have one more baby elephant...
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    Playing Devil's Advocate, surely the smoking ban will increase the stress levels of smokers and possible have a negative effect on their health?

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    The opposite actually, as smoking increases stress levels.
  • I'm just thinking how much money I'll be saving when I'm banged up for refusing to comply and being kept by the state. Just got to check out whether or not smoking will be banned in the shovel. If it is, boy will there be a lot of good stuff available!!

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  • <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor</i>


    I hate leaving a pub with sore eyes, a sore throaht, smelly clothes and smelly hair. Too feckin' right I'm going to target smokers, because they are the selfish sh<b></b>its blethering on about their rights while trampling all over mine. So sod them. If they want to kill themselves then good riddance.[:(!]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

    I don't really understand this argument, why is anyone forced into going into a pub/restaurant where there are smokers? I could understand rights being abused if they were forced into it but it's a personal choice to go into these places.

    If anyones rights are being trampled over it's the landlords decisions on how he/she operates their pub. the only possible argument I can see is the bar-staff being forced into working in a smoking environment.

    <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by TheDoctor</i>
    And who's mentioned overweight people other than you? I'd object if they tried to forcefeed me, but that's about it.
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    I doubt smokers try to force their smoke onto you, if you choose to visit pubs/resturants where there are smokers, that's a choice, you're not being forced into it. Unless you work in one of these places...
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