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A month ago you were claiming it had an impact?
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Depends on the weather
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The idea that it wasn't already anything other than open season is just risible. The only real thing controlling small boat crossings has been the weather. The claim that the Rwanda scheme (which has deported nobody) has had a measurable deterrent effect is easily disproved by looking at the regularly published numbers of crossings. Previously the argument was that just the threat of the scheme was enough to deter people. When that was demonstrated to be bollox, the story changed to 'oh we haven't implemented it yet, but it will work'. Now we're back to arguing it did have an effect.
That's not to say that it's not an issue requiring urgent attention from the government. But would seem pretty stupid to continue with a scheme that has had zero effect beyond enriching the Rwandan government.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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It's been stormy so no crossings for the last week or so.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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There are already 40,000 in the queue who would not have been assessed in the UK under the old rules. You have to believe that they would all go to Rwanda for it to be a deterrent once it was in operation.
The only time it could work as a deterrent is before it started sending people and it became clear how few people were trickling there.
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Yep, based on the feedback from wannabe migrants, But will not have fed into the numbers yet.
What do you think will happen now that Starmer has removed the threat of Rwanda and not replaced it with anything?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It will be interesting to see what happens when the good weather returns. Would appear that word of the new soft touch in charge has spread.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Nobody thinks it was a deterrent.
Even you can't be convinced surely.
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How could the new soft touch be softer than the old dofuckall?
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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So it was working, just in a way that couldn't be measured, because it hadn't be implemented yet and hadn't started working?
Makes sense.
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BTW. The specific answer to the question is that cancelling a thing that made no measurable difference will make no measurable difference.
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There’d be some rich immigrants if they’d placed bets back in 2019 that Labour would be in power at the next GE yet that seems to be when the crossings increased.
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Ah, it was too early to tell. Strange how you’re now prepared to believe that they’ll be flooding here in even greater numbers just 3 days after the GE.
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Well he hasn’t been doing a great job looking at those numbers.
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Turn it around and ask yourself what is Labour doing to deter/prevent this that wasn't being done before?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
But he probably knows more on the subject that a bunch of Cake Stoppers who really want this to be a non-issue.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Let's see what happens shall we. Given the feedback from overjoyed wannabe illegal immigrants to Labour reaching power, I have a feeling that I know the answer.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What are we looking out for? Another unmeasurable effect?
Does the idea of a load of people in tents in Calais waiting for the exit poll last Thursday, not seem even a little bit fanciful to you? I mean we've known nobody was going to Rwanda for the last six months.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Something that stops so many of them coming over maybe?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Labour has said they'll invest more in a border patrol to stop immigrants crossing and previously have talked about stopping the smuggling gangs. Surely stopping those who shouldn't coming here in the first place is better than let them come over and then spending huge sums moving them to Rwanda?
Ideally I'd like to see more opportunities for asylum applications abroad and faster processing of applications with those that fail getting returned. Basically, how the system was supposed to work.
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Great. All for that.
Pretending we were ever going to send anyone to Rwanda is just ridiculous. We had 3 years of pretending we would do that and it very, very clearly did not work.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Back to mischaracterization of everyone else I see.
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Fine, but what are they actually going to do? Making some noises about smashing the people smuggling gangs is all very well but as Starmer said last Friday, its actions that count...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Suddenly the idea of a party being all talk and no action is a problem Stevo? Odd.
It's too soon to tell... You'll just have to be patient.
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Yes, let's see what the details of that are.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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If he kept doing everything that the Conservatives were doing/planning but without the one illegal thing that was just pouring money down the drain, that would more than match the alternative.
I think actually trying to find out who doesn't have a right to be here would be a positive next step. That is currently not allowed under the legislation passed by the previous government.
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The only things that have an impact in other countries are (i) sending applicants to another country (Australia) (ii) sending applicants back where they came from (EU) (iii) paying off states en route (e.g. Libya) (iv) fewer wars
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That's exactly my point. The Tories took action and put the Rwanda plan in place - whether you agreed with it or not is irrelevant. Labour scrapped it and have no clear prevention/ deterrent plan to replace it.
So yep, I'll assume that Labour is all talk on immigration until I see something that persuades me otherwise.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Doing something bad is worse than doing nothing. Would have thought you of all people would recognise how incredibly wasteful it was.
Has stevo’s scrutiny on public spending been lost in the culture wars?
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you of all people should know the best way to take business out of the hands of criminals is to legalise it.
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