US Politics / Biden thread
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https://www.interfluidity.com/v2/8392.html
About America, but equally applicable here really.
The weakness / failure of liberalism, and how it has became a signifier of class.0 -
It feels like Biden is doing what is suggested there.rick_chasey said:https://www.interfluidity.com/v2/8392.html
About America, but equally applicable here really.
The weakness / failure of liberalism, and how it has became a signifier of class.
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Liberalism means something different in the US from here in the UK.rick_chasey said:https://www.interfluidity.com/v2/8392.html
About America, but equally applicable here really.
The weakness / failure of liberalism, and how it has became a signifier of class.0 -
No waaayelbowloh said:
Liberalism means something different in the US from here in the UK.rick_chasey said:https://www.interfluidity.com/v2/8392.html
About America, but equally applicable here really.
The weakness / failure of liberalism, and how it has became a signifier of class.0 -
Clearing the daft draft.0
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Oh umm, I was going to say something. Nope, nope It's gone.
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Oh yeah, I wouldn't mind being a leader of a clown tree.
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America better have capable people pulling the strings of these muppets or it is f*cked.
Pray for America. 😉
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Think this was the day trump won. It's going to be a bad decade.
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Twitter certainly not spinning it for Biden. Sounds like he had a mare.
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How can these be the best two options in the ‘most powerful country on the planet’? They’re managing to make our lot look professional
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Same point was made in response to that awful 'are you the best we've got' question to Starmer and Sunak. We should count our blessings. The barrel is much deeper than it looks.
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
end result of a system that entrenches a two-party state and places too much power in the hands of one person,
combine that with an electorate where an increasing number are detached from reality and many results are effectively bought by whoever has the most funding, ousting a candidate, especially a sitting one, is almost impossible due to the risk of handing victory to the other side
imo any system where you can win while getting a minority of the popular vote is profoundly undemocratic and over time becomes toxic, a problem the uk and others share
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It was like an old short sighted cricketer trying to play with a straight bat against a team who had replaced their bowler with a muck spreader.
Depressing.
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Bill Clinton was first elected over 30 years ago. He is younger than both Biden and Trump.
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It'll be interesting to see if this debate affects the polls and if it does whether there are renewed efforts within the Democrats to get Biden to stand aside.
I don't know whether there are formal mechanisms by which he could be replaced - I suspect not.
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There are formal mechanisms. The Democratic Congress hasn't even taken place yet. The problem is there is no alternative so replacing him would be to concede the election.
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Gavin Newsom is the shortest odds on Betfair, so I guess he is the most likely alternative.
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there's a lot of concern in the democrat camp, but hard to see who can tell him, imo his wife needs to do it
he's not formally the nominee yet, but there's no good way to switch unless he steps back himself, fast
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He's slick, but all teeth and stats. Buttigeig would be more human and is very able, but I suspect that his homosexuality would be a problem electorally (sadly). I've been surprised that Kamala Harris hasn't come into her own as VP, but again, I'm not sure that America is ready for a black woman, whatever her abilities.
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The american politics podcast i listen to mentioned 2-3 realistic alternatives including Newsom - there's always someone. Obviously the primaries are over though it's unclear (to me) what the mechanism would be for a candidate to be chosen
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It's incredible how backwards large parts of the US are when it comes to diversity. Supposedly a big democracy but they haven't even managed to get a woman into the top job yet.
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What a car crash. Democrats now in the unenviable position of sticking with a candidate who isn't up to the job, or replacing him with someone who probably hasn't got the popularity or the funds to win (whoever that may be). Does appear that they could oust Biden, but if he doesn't want to go it needs more than half of the delegates who backed him in the primaries to turn against him.
And if Biden is struggling now, imagine what he'd be like in 4 years time - something that the voters and the party must be thinking about.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
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I'm inclined to agree but either way it looks like Trump is the favourite to win, unfortunately.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Let's be honest here, with Trump's cognitive abilities, there's still plenty of chance for him to fuck up like Biden has just done.
And people complain about the choice between Starmer and Sunak!
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It's depressing how much Trump's criminality, corruption and lying is just par for the course.
Equally depressing to see Biden that weak, but still the better option if he gets there, by an infinite amount. Seems unlikely he'll be on the ballot now.
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I don't know if it is possible to emphasise how bad a second Trump term would be. He will empower Russia, inflame China, put Taiwan at further jepoardy. The implications for the middle east are unclear, but I can't see his diplomatic style leading to a stable two state solution, lowering oil prices or nullifying the threats posed by Syria, Yemen and Iran. I fear his total ambivalence to Africa and thus to world trade routes up through Suez.
I don't give too much of a crap what he does domestically, except infsofar as the damage lasts beyond his second (or third) term, but a potential world war three or a new and worse cold war, that I do care about.
Folks, if you think the cost of living is bad now, fast forward a few years where the US says fuck you all, and we can't be sure to get goods from anywhere else because trade routes might, or might not be available that year, Russia might or might not have nibbled off another Baltic state, it might or might not be possible to fly over the gulf, we might or might not be trading with China or have sanctions, tarrifs etc and so on.
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