Euro 2024 thread
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Sure, but take one of them out and the same logic holds.
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Tournament football isn't the prem. You can't build little pre-arranged movements with 11 people depending on what the situation is over and over. You can't pep-ball it.
You have to have a structure that allows the players to instinctively do the right thing for everyone else. A big part of that is putting players in positions they're instinctively good at.
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It's also about having the best system for the players available. Look at Kane this season for Bayern - absolutely lethal in the box. For England, great at winning a free kick in the centre circle.
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Meh, Germans regularly leave out very good players in deference to a system that works. Italy does too.
Everyone's trying to crowbar in the talent. Get over it. Build a team.
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You aren't listening. It's the system that's the problem.
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No it's not. It's this ridiculous attempt to play the "best" players even if they cannot fit into a system together.
No-one building a club team would try to play Bellingham, Foden and Kane in the same team. They all want to be in the same spot on the pitch. It's stupid.
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"We have the best players we have the best players"
Every other country, bar Belgium says "we have the best *team*"
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I agree, there is no point picking players if you aren't going to use them. The fact he has only given Mainoo 15mins in the first game would suggest he is hesitant to use them.
My main worry is Southgate is loyal and doesn't like to change his 11. I hope he rethinks but it wouldn't massively shock me if he persists with Trent.
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I agree that it is unbalanced as well, because Foden and Trippier aren't giving anything on the left, but if you were trying to pick a system for Kane, Bellingham, Foden and Saka to play in, would it be an ultra defensive one where nobody ever tries to run past the opposition and the ball is always just played from side to side in defence?
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I don't think there is a system for Kane and Bellingham AND Foden.
I don't think you can have Bellingham AND Foden on at the same time, especially if you have a right footed left back who *will not* ever go down the wing.
And that then affects Saka's effectiveness, as you have Foden and Trippier moving inside, Kane dropping back into the space Bellingham wants to be and so they can easily double up Saka
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Im aware of that
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This isn't a tactical plan, Southgate was asked if he is instructing them to sit deep after scoring and his answer was "No". This is the players doing it. To be fair I think the main issue is players out of position coupled with Kane reverting to his old habit of dropping too deep. It is creating confusion with players not knowing where to be positionally. They are leaving it to each other, and as a result nobody is making a decision or taking charge.
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Kane said after the game they don't really know when to press - that's unforgivable. Yes it's not a club side so the scope for working on automations isn't there but things like pressing triggers and responsibilities off the ball are basic. Some of the post match analysis really showed how poor it was - our front three pressing and Denmark's midfield stood free to receive the ball beyond them, our midfield and defence way too deep. That's not being forced back it's starting position and if it's not the coach's plan get out in your technical area and go apeshit like Klopp or Pep would do.
In possession it is predictable - if a player moves their opponent has either to follow them leaving a space to exploit or hold their shape leaving the opponent free - we just don't move enough. The likes of Saka that don't mind 1v1 duels can do ok because they don't rely so much on team movement and quick passing - Foden however looks poor because when he gets the ball the options aren't there to give and to receive because of the lack of movement. It has to come from Southgate's instructions - players like Stones never stepping forwards, lack of full backs getting ahead of the wide attackers etc - it's that safety first mindset - what if it breaks down and we are caught out of position. The up side is Southgate's teams are defensively solid - the down side they can lose control of games when teams are front footed against them because their movement is too poor to keep possession other than meaningless possession passing it around our own half - and when we lose control against good sides that's when we get beat because given enough of the ball they have the quality to break down even an organised defence .
[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
He might actually do better just to embrace counter attacking football rather than pretending to want to play a possession game without having the balls (pun intended) to do it.
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© Ron Atkinson
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Bring back Big Sam as tactical consultant
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This was put out half an hour before yesterday's match:
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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The Dutch throwing drinks bottles at the French player taking a corner kick. Awful behaviour!
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Awful!
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Can't they behave?
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Seem to recall somebody having a pop at England fans for cracking tasteless jokes the other day. I hope he's reading reading this.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'm just staggered Steveo, because reading the BR forums I thought the Dutch were the bastion of civility.
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Staggered!
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Me too, I thought they were all nice wokey fentre left middle class families.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Yeah, how surprising. Let's hope this awful behaviour is condoned ASAP.
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No it wasn't. That was a linesman's subconscious decision due to the Dutch fans awful behaviour.
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