2024 Election thread

Going by age, I think about 85% of Tory voters still use them.

So he doesnt say that. Read the article the it'll be clearer for you.

16 minutes in if you want the unfiltered version of what he said.

It's more like turkeys voting for a trip to the vet rather than the abattoir. OK, it might be more expensive, but it's a preferable outcome.

Just saw the Tory election broadcast. Are they broke?

It's not often I agree with Tom Harris:

"Is a generation-long Labour hegemony inevitable after July 4? No, it is not. The Tories could avoid it by studying Labour’s own example. There were many who predicted the demise of Labour following its torrid five years under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership. Similar warnings were sounded in 1983 after Michael Foot led the party to second place in the popular vote, with the SDP winning barely two per cent less.

But in both the 1980s and at the start of this decade, Labour got its act together. Keir Starmer never sought to emulate the snail’s pace with which reformers changed the party after 1983, when it took another 14 years to make it ready for office. Starmer was too impatient and (with apologies to our next prime minister) too old. He needed to press “fast forward” and he did so, compressing all the changes he assumed the voters wanted to see into a space of four years."

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"If the Conservatives’ defeat really is as comprehensive as the polls predict, there may be no way back for them. But that is up to the voters, not the parties. And if a new leadership can get their attention, can acknowledge where the party has gone wrong and can entice them back with new, pragmatic and attractive policies, they will find that the political history of this country remains to be written. "

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The sad thing is that the Tories seemed to have revelled in unpragmatic and hostile policies in search of a Britain that never did exist, and will never exist in the modern world (whether or not you like that world). They didn't learn the lesson of what happens when a party becomes known as 'the nasty party', let alone when it appears that they enjoy that epithet.

Want more of it? You know what to do.

They can make it back if they stop being hostile, deceitful, self-serving liars.

You forgot 'incompetent'.

You keep talking like there's an alternative. They are going up and will stay up. The general public is not prepared to accept the cuts in spending that would be required to fund lower taxes.

At least it seems somewhat less likely that there will be another 'one-off cost' of covid (aka squirrelling away literally billions to their mates in return for handsome donations to Tory Party funds and goodness knows who/what else).

You've asked them all have you?

That's amazing.

So how does he know now?

There are these things called opinion polls, which ask people their opinions, dontcha know?