2024 Election thread
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Going by age, I think about 85% of Tory voters still use them.
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It's not about me. I'm just trying to raise awareness amongst the Cake Stop turkeys who are considering voting for Christmas.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So he doesnt say that. Read the article the it'll be clearer for you.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
So I think it is pretty clear that council tax will rise. Not against that tbh, because they are in the best position to make tangible day to day differences.
Except in Scotland where, after a rush of blood to the head, the now ex first minister froze them.
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16 minutes in if you want the unfiltered version of what he said.
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How selfless 😁. You've been happy to vote for a party that keeps putting up taxes, so surely you should be flattered that others are following suit.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It's more like turkeys voting for a trip to the vet rather than the abattoir. OK, it might be more expensive, but it's a preferable outcome.
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I’m with the sheep on this one..
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Just saw the Tory election broadcast. Are they broke?
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They might be as the phones4fu bloke who gave them 500k before the last election says he’s voting Labour.
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It's not often I agree with Tom Harris:
"Is a generation-long Labour hegemony inevitable after July 4? No, it is not. The Tories could avoid it by studying Labour’s own example. There were many who predicted the demise of Labour following its torrid five years under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership. Similar warnings were sounded in 1983 after Michael Foot led the party to second place in the popular vote, with the SDP winning barely two per cent less.
But in both the 1980s and at the start of this decade, Labour got its act together. Keir Starmer never sought to emulate the snail’s pace with which reformers changed the party after 1983, when it took another 14 years to make it ready for office. Starmer was too impatient and (with apologies to our next prime minister) too old. He needed to press “fast forward” and he did so, compressing all the changes he assumed the voters wanted to see into a space of four years."
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"If the Conservatives’ defeat really is as comprehensive as the polls predict, there may be no way back for them. But that is up to the voters, not the parties. And if a new leadership can get their attention, can acknowledge where the party has gone wrong and can entice them back with new, pragmatic and attractive policies, they will find that the political history of this country remains to be written. "
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The sad thing is that the Tories seemed to have revelled in unpragmatic and hostile policies in search of a Britain that never did exist, and will never exist in the modern world (whether or not you like that world). They didn't learn the lesson of what happens when a party becomes known as 'the nasty party', let alone when it appears that they enjoy that epithet.
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I can't say I haven't warned you...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Want more of it? You know what to do.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It was very odd. Stock "news bulletin intro" footage, then Laura Trott behind a podium said "good morning", and talked at me about labour. And not filmed in HD.
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They can make it back if they stop being hostile, deceitful, self-serving liars.
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Your warning is a bit like one from the 'ghosts' in Scooby-Doo. Given that there's pretty much a 100% certainty (based on our lived experience) that any Tory Party government would be as bad or worse than the one of the past 14 years, it's time to take the mask off that 'ghost', and have a laugh at their comeuppance. If you've not read that Telegraph piece from Tom Harris, now might not be a bad time to.
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I did, thank you 😁
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You keep talking like there's an alternative. They are going up and will stay up. The general public is not prepared to accept the cuts in spending that would be required to fund lower taxes.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I changed accounts 8 years ago and haven’t had a cheque book with my new one. I do get cheques a few times a year (reimbursement of any expenses from the choir I’m in and an easement payment from National Grid). So glad I can now pay them in electronically as they had become a pain in the arse. I had one for months during lockdown, it wasn’t worth the hassle of finding a branch open when I could get there. I think I eventually ended up paying £5 to park just so I could get to a branch open on a Saturday and pay it in.
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At least it seems somewhat less likely that there will be another 'one-off cost' of covid (aka squirrelling away literally billions to their mates in return for handsome donations to Tory Party funds and goodness knows who/what else).
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Did you see the Reform one? It was 5 minutes of a black screen with the same 6 word message displayed. A few years ago I’d have been worried that my TV screen would burn as no screensaver had kicked in. I get what they were aiming for and they obviously realise their core are a bit thick and need time for the message to sink in but they really overdid things.
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You've asked them all have you?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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That's amazing.
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It was literally just this press conference from 4 days ago with nothing additional at all. No wonder it looked weird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN9a65VyJnE
They've given up.
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So how does he know now?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They're rejecting the relatively modest cuts already imposed over the last 14 years and taxes have still gone up. The current manifesto includes further cuts and further tax rises and support is cratering. So I'd say it's reasonably clear that a party that proposes the cuts needed wouldn't get elected to government.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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There are these things called opinion polls, which ask people their opinions, dontcha know?
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Maybe have a quick look at Wales where Labour have had a chance to make a difference:
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0