2024 Election thread
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So far the only things I've seen are a (reform) candidate so uncharismatic I had to check to see if it was a joke, and an extremely half hearted sing along from Farage to an Eminem song.
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Up to 1992 it was pretty solidly blue
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Given the current level of support for Labour, there are going to be a lot of thickos voting for them. Some things in life don't change 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Indeed, but you might like to consider the possibility that the uneducated might once have voted in greater numbers for the unrealistic 'socialist dream' of the 1970s and 1980s, and in 2019 the same group were more likely to vote for the incoherent populism of the Tories. Or perhaps you can come up with a better thesis for why the uneducated were more likely to vote for the Tories in 2019.
I suspect that if you did the same poll back in 1979, the numbers would have been reversed.
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Because the Tories did a good job of persuading them it was a good idea? Or maybe they're not as thick as you think? Academic success does not always translate to success in life, which could explain some of the educated leftie vote.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I've not used the 'thick' epithet, you might have noted.
Education might not necessarily have a direct correlation with whatever you mean by 'success', but iy does seem to have a correlation with how well people are able to evaluate (complex) information.
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So how did it work in the last few elections?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I guess we've moved past denial at least. What with all the bollox about a supermajority I think we're now some way between anger and bargaining.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Are you? No need to be angry, it's only politics.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
My mistake, we're still back at denial.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Just had a look at the Reform manifesto that's not called a manifesto.
Let's say it is ambitious.
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Here's the message that will get them back in the game.
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🤣🤣🤣 eh, 🤔
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Are you? OK.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think that’s exactly why they are where they are in the polls to be fair.
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If they said their friends had never had it so good it would be honest, that'd be a refreshing change.
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I think I too would do that, if that was the most likely way to keep Farage away from parliament... but interesting to hear Alastair Campbell (of all people) say that.
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Looks like this refers to January and so the relevant year was last year, before this became a real prospect. So are you telling us this is a case of drawing conclusions too early?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The policy was in the 2019 Labour manifesto and was reiterated by the shadow Education Secretary in January 2023. It's been pretty clear since shortly after Sunak became leader that Labour would form the next government.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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And back then the prospect of a Labour govt was not seen as the threat it is now. You should see what the numbers are like when the policy has been put in place and then see what damage it has done.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
On what planet? Seriously, who thought that? The election was definitely happening this year. Did anyone genuinely think Sunak could turn things around? Hoped against all the evidence perhaps, but seriously.
Happy to revisit in a year.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I'd have said it's been pretty clear since partygate that the conservatives had run out of road.
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Human nature - as these things get closer, reality dawns. But yep, I'm sure we will be looking at it next year - assuming they impose it when they say.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Reading between the lines, I don't think Stewart Lee will be voting Tory. He appears to think they don't always tell the truth.
Yes. It’s the lying we can’t stand. Some of Rishi Sunak’s faults are excusable. It is understandable that he would not consider the sacrifice of the soldiers of D-day especially significant when his own parents had so nobly sacrificed his family’s Sky TV subscription to pay his Winchester College school fees. But it was on Tuesday of the week before last that, unforgivably, lying Sunak vomited out his instantly discredited lie about Labour’s £2,000 tax plans, live in an ITV debate against the lightning-reflexed Keir Starmer. Luckily Starmer shut Sunak’s false claims down with all the speed of an arthritic slug lurching towards a distant cabbage (though to compare lying Sunak to a vegetable at this stage in the Conservatives’ election campaign is perhaps to exaggerate his gifts as a communicator and electoral asset and is, moreover, unfair to cabbages).
Instead of apologising for their lie, perhaps learning from Boris Johnson’s Brexit bus bullshit, slippery single market membership assurances, and persuasive Partygate prevarications, the lying Conservatives now take every media opportunity to further propagate their lies. Lying Penny Mordaunt, less impressive when shorn of her Battlestar Galactica coronation cloak and Melnibonéan soul-stealing sword, repeatedly regurgitated the same disproven tax claim on TV on Friday of last week, like an enormous blue cormorant, while ignoring the unfailingly polite, and therefore utterly pointless, attempts by the BBC’s Mishal Husain to correct her, a supply teacher powerless before a spoilt lying child.
Why do the Conservatives just lie? Is clinging to that big tax lie the best advice their election strategist Isaac Levido, the New Statesman’s 15th most powerful British rightwinger and Beard Twat Quarterly’s beard twat of the year 2019, can give them? For half of his fee, I would gladly have turned up in a campaign office with a black marker pen and written the phrase “If you throw enough shit at a wall some if might stick” on a whiteboard. Because, at the moment, that’s as far as Conservative election strategy goes."
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Tactical voting site https://www.getvoting.org/ still thinks that RUK are polling well in East Exeter & Exmouth, but based on the spurious reallocation by Survation of independent Claire Wright's votes from the old East Devon constituency. Given she was definitely left-of-centre and pro-EU, I think most of her votes will go to Labour, particularly if people are minded to vote tactically to rid us of Simon Jupp.
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I saw that prediction from Survation and it looked very odd.
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I will. #gtto is the first principle at this election, everything else can follow later. I'd look at the Labour & LD positions much more carefully if it were a normal election and there wasn't an overriding objective that trumped all else.
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TBH, even if Tories suddenly changed heart and said they'd take us back into the EU, I'd still vote to get them out, they are that bad: they'd either renege, or be so incompetent at it that it would be a disaster.
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