2024 Election thread
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There is a tiny part of me that hopes he wins, purely for the fact that once he realises what being an MP means and the demands placed on him by the loonbags that elected him, he will absolutely crumble.
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He's never going to be in a position to deliver anything he pledges so he just keeps sniping from the sidelines. He's probably seen a chance to take an MP salary without needing to do anything other than make noise and criticise. It's a cushy job if you are happy for most people to view you as a smug, odious twat.
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What are you talking about? They have a plan and the plan is working so stick with them - it is Labour that don't have a plan. You need to pay more attention!
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I think this may be his downfall, should he win. Being an MP will be nothing like an MEP where he could disappear off to Brussels and essentially know one cared what little he was doing.
I suspect the constituents that voted for him, were he to be elected, would be a lot more demanding of good old Nige!
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Seriously? Have you not been paying attention to some of the current Tory MPs?
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I get your point, but Farage is a different beast. Those that follow him tend to love him and be invested in him in a way that most people are not in their local MP. He'll go around Clacton glad handing them all, and a lot of them will fall for it.
I think they will expect to see him regularly, and think he is going to actually do what he claims (which we all know he won't). If he wins I think the wheels may fall off rather quickly.
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Yep, it will be on the lines of "having finally been able to access all the figures the Tories have left us with an even worse mess than we realised and therefoe we are unable to fund essential services without these rises".
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Pretty much. I read somewhere that 40% of the electorate think there will be tax rises regardless of what they say.
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I read yesterday that 20% of people think the Conservatives are most likely to win.
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I think the left wing unions may have something to do with strikes....
Do you really think that Labour will reduce tax or make it easier to do business?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
We might know more whan they publish their manifesto. But it's more about what won't be said. Especially as they have boxed themselves in by promising not to raise headline rates of the major taxes.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think that this lot have lost any credibility on that so it's worth letting another lot have a go.
I do think that changing less stuff, especially around business regs is an underrated part of being pro-business. The instability and uncertainty Brexit created puts off more investment than whatever batshit rules they put in place. I think labour will therefore, by virtue of just being less disruptive to business, be preferable for business.
Taxes will rise regardless. Britain is largely poor so it is obvious that most Brits do not have the means to pay for said tax rises so they will always fall on the higher earners.
There is nothing in the conservatives approach to the unions that has made striking less likely.
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I've already said several times that I think taxes are going up regardless. I'm taking any promises not to do so with a wheelbarrow of salt and promises to lower tax are just risible.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Why do you think you should not be too worried, but others should be?
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This election is a lot more dull than the last one.
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I was listening to the News Agents podcast earlier and there was an extended bit on Farage. Lewis Goodall's take was that Farage stands a very high chance of winning Clacton and that his aim is to get inside Westminster where he can exert more influence over the Tories, either by forcing their hand to veer even further right on policy, or even longer term going back into the Tory fold. I think the latter is fanciful but his argument was persuasive. In either case, it would be a disaster if he won.
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You don't find the prospect of a entirely new government after 15 years interesting? Or the remarkable collapse of the Tory vote and how they're adjusting or not to it?
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You know when you turn on the F1 and Vestappen is ahead at turn 1 and out of DRS range after lap 2? It's boring in that way.
Highly amusing in terms of gaffes though.
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Whilst it has been the same rosette since 2010, there have been quite a few different governments. Labour being elected has been inevitable for a while now, so there is little intrigue in who the winner will be. Labour are also being cautious, so we won't find out what their government will be like for a few months.
Therefore, I would make the analogy that we are currently watching Pogacar cruise to victory in the Giro. The intriguing bit is whether he still has the legs for the tour, but we won't know that for a while.
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Seeing Lewis in his merc struggling to fight keep up with the backmarkers would keep me entertained while that was happening.
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There you go.
Kevin Magnussen is the outspoken chopper who will never win outright (Farage), with Alonso being very old and no longer relevant (Lib Dems).
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Tried asking that already. More vague warnings of taxes rising - well obviously - and Union power - like industrial relations aren't already terrible.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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He's just been milkshaked with the crowd cheering on the thrower of the milkshake. Not sure his victory is quite as nailed on as he may have thought.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition3 -
Personal circumstances.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Already taken the 25%?
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Pretty grim for Team Tory when the editor of the Spectator calls out their lies.
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His milkshake brings all the boys to the yard 😂
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^ very good 😊
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Re the live debate, I can see Sunak being well prepared and holding his own. May score a generous score draw with a typically defensive Starmer, who won’t go for the jugular even if he can smell blood.
If Sunak says “Jeremy Corbyn” own goal he loses.
Won’t make any difference to the polls.
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We'll see, but I still think that Sunak will show all his worst qualities, not least as he is entirely content-free, and lies about stuff ('tax cuts', etc), and Starmer's prosecutorial instints and intellectual dexterity ought to put Sunak under intense pressure, to which Sunak will go on 'prepared soundbite repeat mode' at best, and 'tetchy fake-smile snarly-man' at worst.
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