BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I thought all these trade deals with far away countries were meant to be the main positive to Brexit, so if they've failed what was the point?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
That's not what I was led to believe - apparently the only deal worth having is with the EU. So using Cake Stop logic, this will be no big loss if it doesn't get restarted. That said, it may change once Trudeau is out the way - suspect he might be wanting to make a point about Brexit.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Nearly everyone disagreed with me, so I'm using their logic against them.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
52-48 disagreed with you. 😉
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
On this point they did.
So the CS received Wisdom is that every trade deal we have done is insignificant but any that have dropped off such as Canada, are significant. Yeah, right. Hence the phrase Cake (Stop) and eat it 😊
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Maybe this beongs in the intrigue thread but if trade deals were so important why would you let talks fail over beef and cheese?
Could it be that they are over rated so there is nothing to be gained by selling out your own farmers to get better terms for things that matter?
Why is cheese front and centre of every trade negotiation?
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Not all trade deals are equal. This is where the Brexit benefits fall apart.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Good question, not sure. I would guess some countries are un-necessarily precious about their agri sectors?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Clearly not, there seems to be an attempt on here to make out that the ones that succees are less important than the ones that don't. Anyway, I'm sure that our recent economic outperformance of the Euro area has nothing to do do with these trade deals... 😉
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Lol. Like he gives a f*** about Brexit.
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I think the issue is more about the Brexiteers overplaying the significance of the size of the economy with with a trade deal has been signed. There's a lot that has to be overcome before a trade deal leads to anything, most notably the distances involved, potentially unfamiliar languages and customs and the sheer difficulty of forging new commercial relationships in a competitive world. And, of course, the trumpets are played before the new deals are actually signed.
Conversely, the losses from leaving the Single Market are pretty much guaranteed: extra costs (which might just render previous trade inviable) more time and non-tariff barriers (which might render previous trade impossible).
So each £ of GDP of country in a new trade deal is worth much less than each £ of GDP of countries from an exited, geographically close trade deal.
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I think those points have already been debated. But as I've said before, the decision to leave the EU was made and is done, so may as well focus on sorting out trade deals elsewhere.
I didn't see Brexit as an economic move anyway. It was more about avoiding the slow but continual slide towards 'ever closer integration' and centralising of decision making/powers in Brussels.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
'Things are slightly worse than even Remoaners thought they'd be'
Superb point
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Agree that Brexit has happened (in that the UK is no longer in the EU) and that we must make the most of it. And to be fair, the commercial world is doing just that, albeit despite, rather than because of government assistance.
Disagree that Brexit wasn't an economic move. It was, even if there's only economic downsides. One may ignore them, but they are still there. Think of it like jumping out of a plane at night with no parachute. You may view it solely as a "sightseeing at terminal velocity" play. But you won't be able to ignore the reality of it being a "what happens to a human body when it decelerates from 180mph to 0mph in a fraction of a second?" play.
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To help the economically illiterate I compare Brexit to imposing sanctions on ourselves
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A neat summary.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I was talking about from my point of view.
Your terminal velocity comparison is a bit exaggerated though. Note we have been growing faster than our continental cousins lately.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Missing the point. Its about double standards in here when it comes to trade deals, as explained.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I thought your point of view at the time was that we should remain Stevo? Not that we should be "avoiding the slow but continual slide towards 'ever closer integration'".
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I've explained a few times before - voted to remain at the time as I foresaw a fair bit of work involved professionally - although in the end that turned in to a good opportunity. Call me a reluctant remainer in terms of my voting. However what I see as the main benefit of leaving is what you put in italics above.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Not that what I thought at the time makes much difference now...the deed is done.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
People could be forgiven for getting the impression you want to have your cake and eat it too
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Why?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's not double standards to think the replacement bus a poor substitute for the existing rail service and complain when the bus doesn't even turn up as promised
You've made a poor point badly there.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
No, you've either not understood my point or your deliberately misinterpreting. Read it again and have another go.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They're becoming less and less important because trade barriers across the board are shrinking anyway.
It's why many countries are exploring single market type systems now, because that's where there are bigger improvements to be made.
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Oooooo! Single market systems. How could we have missed that boat?
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Lol. No.
You've had a mare there.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Obviously Brexit has been completed and currently we've gone for an option where we're out of the customs union and single market.
Long term, the people who get excited by no deal, or hard Brexits etc are going to be the political minority. Additionally, selling a softer EU relationship will become the change option, which is always a more sexy sell than the status quo.
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